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QUOTE(mr_genius @ May 10, 2007 -> 04:33 PM) no, it is not. the vast majority of them private property. the owner/employees can choose whom they will allow to enter or serve. the public may not come in as they please. you can be banned from a bar, you can be asked to leave a pub for being annoying, you can be turned away from a club for dressing poorly, ect. i think you are confused about the idea of private ownership and what public property is. Can they discriminate on the basis of race? Can they have too few exits? Can they have too few bathrooms? Do they need to meet ADA guidelines? Are the buildings inspected for health and safety compliance? Can they serve someone who is obviously intoxicated? Can they paint swastikas on the walls and tell minorities to leave? Can you tell blacks to use that bathroom and whites that bathroom? Can they pay their employees less than minimum wage and tell them they have a choice to work there or not? These are privately owner buildings open to the public and we have many laws about what can and can not happen in buildings that are open to the public. In fact we have many laws what can and can not happen in private homes as well. I will say I believed they stepped over the line at a true private club. For example an equity country club where the members are owners,k there is a standing membership committee who approves memberships, etc. That was until Southsider brought up the worker safety concerns and now I am leaning towards that being correct as well. I will say the last place smoking should be banned would be Hookah bars, then truly private clubs, followed by bars.

QUOTE(NUKE @ May 11, 2007 -> 01:18 AM) Not true at all. You oughta hear some of the vile stuff that gets tossed around within my unit. My gunner is Mexican and we sling all sorts of stuff his way. ( Beaner, wetback, brown bastard) plus whatever stereotype you can think of. Same goes for me. Im Polish and I REALLY get it from my crew about that and I even throw in a few Polish jokes myself. My driver is Irish and we go to town with him about that. It's all understood, however, that it's all in fun and we all laugh really hard about it, even the person getting the business end of it. There are people in this world who can take a joke and then there's a bunch of whiny little b****es who go all to pieces when someone tells a joke about them. So in the military people just have to accept whatever vile insults are thrown their way? No protections? Great place for a racist to live and work. I wonder if the recruiters walk into a home and say hey beaner come join the army!

Could be the wine, but I just picked up a Fender 250 Watt PA/Mixer for my camp and was looking for something to try it out with and grabbed my iPod Shuffle. LMAO at that tiny player in the middle of these cables and the volume

Can you hear me? There's too much background noices, where are you at? I'm about ready to chunck mine in the garbo.

Ozzie noticed the breeze, sometimes it goes out his right ear, other times out his left . . . * *Trying to do something with this thread. Maybe Ozzie could put on some roller skates . . .

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 10, 2007 -> 12:23 PM) I once had someone tell me that the Democratic party is more corrupt the lower you go, and the Republican party is more corrupt the higher you go. I'm not sure if its true, but it wouldn't surprise me. Wow,

QUOTE(kapkomet @ May 10, 2007 -> 07:31 AM) ok, so what's the point? It's Hannity, there probably isn't one.

Mark already turned down a similar offer and the way he is looking this season, that was probably a great idea. If I was Mark, I'd be thinking 75/5. If I was a GM, I'd be thinking 100/6 or 7 and hoping I could negotiate something less.

I swallowed a wasp last year, caused me to vote Republican . . .

If he leaves, I hope he signs for the biggest paycheck in mlb history.

Linked Tough to find fault in this list. There are a couple names I'd have liked to see, they seemed to favor brushback pitches a little too much.

What is it with Chicago Managers and Coaches and Minnesota Domes?

Welcome to May and your first win.

People buy a house in a neighborhood without sidewalks. The city allows the neighborhood to be built. Leave it alone.

Couple points Nuke, it wasn't a "bunch of people" it was a recognized student group on campus, who I am certain agreed to obey certain University policies. I would be shocked that those policies did not exclude these ethnic slurs. I agree that we take this stuff too seriously at times and it gets way out of scale, the Imus firing is the most recent example. But I believe the University acted in the appropriate manner with this, A school's honor society should not be encouraging this type of behavior. This is a public school, supported by tax dollars. There were apologies offered that were accepted, and the University isn't taking any further action. Sounds like it was handled well by everyone.

In general you buy insurance for when you screw up and make a mistake. If your insurance will not pay off, then the other guys might have to. Also, if you aren't wearing a helmet, but the accident is not your fault, should you lose out? I do like the idea of a rate increase. We have asked our government to keep us safe. We ask them for military protection, police and fire protection. We ask the government to check out our food production, keep us safe from fraud, test equipment to make certain it will not harm us. We ask them to regulate everyone from the local barber to our Doctors. We are the government. We ask companies to continuously improve safety, we ask auto manufacturers to reduce emissions. We demand stricter laws on behavior. We've dropped the definition of drunk to .08. That doesn't prevent someone from getting drunker, but it stops some people sooner from drinking and driving. So now we are asking them to keep us safe from cigarettes, cigars, and other tobacco.

I was considering quality of life issues and it seems her quality of life is better off now than without the surgery. Looking at history, and possibly not specific to this case. We have developed the medical technology to keep people alive that may not have survived before. We accept that intervention and generally believe it is a good idea. Now when we want to alter the life that medicine saved with more medical intervention, we balk. You are right, the doll reference is what creeps me out.

Their child will never be able to make decisions for herself. The parents made a decision that would improve her quality of life. She will never know the difference. I have a difficult time criticizing and seconde guessing her parents or the Doctors who performed the operation. It was probably the kindest thing they could have done for her. Yet, I am uncomfortable with this and can not figure out why.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/08/ashle...ling/index.html • Sterilization of profoundly disabled Washington girl violated law, investigation finds • "Ashley's treatment" removed girl's uterus, breast buds, at parents' request • Treatment has raised ethical questions, angered disability advocacy groups

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2007 -> 12:26 PM) I voted straight ticket democrat in yesterday's local Michigan City elections. No Republicans running?

Put up speed limit signs and people can still speed. That doesn't mean that speed limits are bad. Limit the hours and alcohol content and people can still get drunk. That doesn't mean limits on drinking are bad, or wrong. You do need to question those studies. On both sides and analyze what happens. If second hand smoke is not a risk, all we've done is stopped a smelly nuisance. If second hand smoke is dangerous, we've helped everyone's health. I am certain we all believe that cops no longer care about drunk driving laws. Bottom line, nice arguments, I hope you find a nice smoke filled environment, too bad it won't be in Illinois public places.

QUOTE(Cknolls @ May 9, 2007 -> 12:18 PM) At one point in time statistics showed silicon breast implants affected the health of the woman. They were banned, lawyers got rich, companies went bankrupt, people lost jobs. Silicon breast implants are now said to be safe for the woman. Who was/is right? At one point we thought asbestos was safe. Lead was a great additive in gasoline and paint. Etc. Who was harmed while silicon was off the market? When it comes to health, shouldn't we be conservative?

Fair enough. How do you answer those studies that show a significant health risk? Are you dismissing those as well? Show me the correct way to respond when statistics show something that goes against your point? Is the bar inspected by the government to assure it complies with public safety laws? Occupancy? ADA? Bathrooms? Emergency exits? That sounds like a public building that has to conform with public safety laws, including no smoking. There is rarely one solution to a problem, generally, especially in complex issues, it takes multiple solutions, all contributing a little. Using your convoluted logic, since it can't be one solution, we must not do anything. But in your world eliminating restrictions on alcohol wouldn't make a difference.