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Steff, Why would the Rangers and Yankees agree to a deal where if ARod is traded, the exact amount that is remaining, has to go to the third team? It doesn't benefit anyone in the negotiations. The Rangers don't care anymore, they agreed to pay the money. The Yankees don't want to be restricted in any future deal ARod just wants to be paid. QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:11 AM) Ahh yes. That makes total sense. The Rangers will continue to pay the Yankees regardless of where Alex is playing. :wall It makes sense that they honor the trade. Even better, since they agreed to pay the Yankees towards ARod's contract, maybe they can get out of paying anything. Maybe they can get the player back as well. If Alex suffers a career ender, retires early, or similar, are the Rangers off the hook? According to your example of him not playing for the Yankees they would be. If the Yankees can negoatiate less cash in the next deal, will the Rangers get a refund? Steff, keep trying. The deal sends cash to the Yankees.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) Kitty has been busy this morning.. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 11:06 AM) You've made this waaaaaaaaaay more complicated than what I meant. I just mean that the trade contract between the Yankees and the team A-Rod is going to will, no doubt, specify how much cash will or will not move between those two teams. Exactly. And it can be more or less than what the Rangers are already paying the Yankees. Agreed?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 10:45 AM) The Rangers agreed to pay $67 million dollars of his contract. I think to almost all of us that means that they will pay $67 million of the contract no matter who the middle man is. You've been saying they will pay whomever Alex is playing for. I've been saying the Rangers will pay the team they made the trade with, the Yankees.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 10:41 AM) Whatever trade may occur involving A-Rod, the other team will inevitably stipulate in the trade contract what happens to that cash, one way or the other. No lawyer worth their salt would leave that to chance. The next team will undoubtedly be getting cash from the Yankees (not Rangers). Do you think the language would be, Team 3 receives $29 million from the Yankees or Team 3 receives $3 million from the Yankees and the Ranger's check? I don't think the third team would give a crap about what the Yankee/Ranger deal is. They want the best deal they can negotiate from themselves. The third team may or may not like the terms that the Rangers/Yankees agreed on as far as deferments, etc. If the Yankees would like to mirror that, they of course are free to try. I believe the third team is free to request money faster, differed at a different interest rate, etc. If the Yankees are locked in to the next team taking exactly what the Rangers are paying and how, it will make it even harder to move ARod. I don't see why in negotiating the original trade that brought ARod to the Yankees, that the Rangers would care who they sent the money to and I don't see the Yankees wanting to be restricted in having to give up that exact amount if they traded him. ARod wouldn't care where the money is coming from to pay him his unworldly salary. So who would have insisted that the Rangers send the check to whomever Alex is playing for or that any future trades must involve that exact amount of compensation to the next team?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 10:30 AM) That is not at all what he is saying. And why do you keep insisting the Rangers have something to do with anything over the funds they agreed to pay...? The Rangers have no say except to write the check to the Yankees. You keep claiming the Ranger check follows ARod.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 10:19 AM) Players get traded all the time with the teams trading them agreeing to pick up part of the contract. They don't actually send a check to the player, they pay the team they trade with. Maybe ARod is a different circumstance and maybe the Rangers still pay him, but it appears they pay the Yankees. ARod is guaranteed his full salary, whether or not the money the Rangers are passing along to the Yankees is legally supposed to move with ARod if he is dealt, can't be determined by these articles. Either way, if the Yankees don't move Texas' money with ARod, no team will assume his entire contract, so they wouldn't be able to trade him if that is their intention. Exactly, they will have to send cash to get the deal done. The amount is negotaible. It could be more or less than what is left owed by the Rangers.

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:14 AM) Do it! And report back with who has more express powers. Also note that the Supreme Courts role is barely mentioned (and what is mentioned is not the Courts role today). I thought you said important? Having more powers doesn't make you more important.

The trade was for two players and cash. The Yankees took over responsibility for ARods contract in consideration of receiving those players and the cash. You are trading not only the player's talents but the contracts. Once the trade was finished, both sides assume the contracts for the players involved. Cash has been included in trades all the time. As I have stated over and over again, no matter what happens to ARod, the Rangers are responsible to make those payments to the Yankees. If, for example, ARod sufferes a career ending injury and an insurance company pays off, the Rangers still have to honor their end of the trade which was to send money and players to the Yankees. If the Yankees trade ARod, they are free to set any terms that can be agreed upon. That will probably involve cash. But the receiving team will still hold Alex's contract. He won't have three different contracts. One with the Rangers, one with the Yankees, and one with the new team. Again, and as plainly as possible. The Yankees are free to send as much or as little cash with ARod in a trade but they will continue to receive payments from the Rangers to complete the trade that was made a couple season's ago.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:47 AM) No Yes No No For the REMAINDER of the money owed to Alex, yes. If he ramains a Yankee, yes. If the Yankees are not responsible for 100% of the contract then why are the Rangers sending the money to the Yankees? Wouldn't they be sending it directly to Alex?

Texas is responsible to the Yankees for those payments. The Yankees are responsible to pay Alex. The next team will be responsible to pay Alex. Rangers send money to Yankees >> Yankees send money to new team. The amounts can be different. That is all I have said. How is that so hard to understand?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:12 AM) So if the Yanks trade him they KEEP the money?? They don't have to give it to ARod? Are you f***ing kidding me? And no, I couldn't be done with this glowing opportunity to point out some stupidity. Two different issues. Two different trades. Show me where I ever said that Alex would not receive his full contract? LOL, of course ARod receives his entire contract from the team that is employing him. If the Yankees trade him, the new team pays him. We all know that whomever he gets traded to will want cash along with ARod. The amount that the Yankees choose to include will be negotiated between those two teams. The Yankees are not obligated to send the exact amount or more of the Ranger money. The Yankees may, for example, only send $25 million and not the full $26.4 million remaining. The Yankees will continue to receive the Ranger money no matter what the Yankees do with ARod. Are you saying if the Yankees trade Alex that the Rangers don't have to pay the Yankees anymore? Remember the deal was for players and money. The players that went in the deal don't have to follow, why should the money? Let's make this simple. The Yankees are currently 100% responsible to make certain that Alex gets his money. Agree? They are receiving payments from the Rangers to compensate tem in part for that contract. Agree? The next team will also be 100% responsibile for Alex's contract. Agree? They will also, in all likelyhood be receiving money from the Yankees as part of the deal. Agree? The Yankees, IMHO, can send as little or as much as both teams agree on. Agree? The Rangers will continue to send payments to the Yankees. Agree?

I never thought about it before, but isn't it a little creepy that a celeb could be 100% against something in life, and whomever owns the rights to their likeness could totally change that? Perhaps a Linda McCartney ad for Beef, It's What's For Dinner?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 09:02 AM) Perhaps if you read the links provided, by yourself no less, you would. In any event. All done. I'm gonna stick with the facts on this one. All of the links mention the Rangers paying the Yankees, nowhere is it mentioned that if the Yankees trade him, that the money they are receiving, has to follow the contract. If I missed it in my careful reading of each link, then you are a better reader than me. Until I see a quote otherwise, I'll stand by my interpretation of the facts that the Yankees are free to include as little or as much cash into any ARod deal as both teams agree on. And Steff, you are never done. You'll either extract your revenge here or in another thread. I look forward to it.

Why don't we check out the Constitution instead?

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 08:40 AM) Sigh.... http://www.easttennessean.com/media/storag...ttennessean.com http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/base...kees/index.html And this is from the link you provided.. He is owed, in effect, $66.6 million by New York over the last four seasons of his record $252 million, 10-year contract. Rodriguez receives $95 million, with the Yankees getting $28.4 million from Texas to offset part of that. It's clear as day in black and white so exactly what part of the money comming from the Rangers do you not understand...? Steff, I love the sigh . . . I was thinking the same thing when I saw you replied. I don't understand if the Yankees are legally bound to send every penny with the contract or if they have some flexibility in sending less if that's what is in both teams best interest. A couple people believe that *all* that money *has* to follow the contract. I was just wondering if that is accurate, and why that language would be in there. I don't see where the Yankees are legally bound to pass on that money, which was my one and only point. And as I have mentioned numerous times, it is a very minor thing. More a technicality and an interesting nuance in baseball's biggest contract.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 07:56 AM) It's no theory, it's the facts. The $67 million from the Rangers follows him. It's got nothing to do with the Yankees. http://www.easttennessean.com/media/storag...ttennessean.com http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/base...kees/index.html I am getting errors on both of those links. The link I posted from SI states the money is paid to the Yankees. Doesn't really matter, I can see baseball handling the money different with Alex than other players. The contract is the reason why the Rangers had such a difficult time moving him.

Nuke, Mexico is forced, by US policies, to spend more of their GNP on fighting drug smuggling into the US, than the US. Because the US has a drug use problem, Mexico is racked in violence. The heavier drugs are produced in South American and smuggled through Mexico. The solutions involve South America and the US not the middlemen. Jenks, Rightful place as most important branch? Look up the definition of balance. You may remember a phrase called checks and balances, there isn't a more important branch. That is a cornerstone of our government. I am looking for a candidate with the charisma of Reagan, style counts as our chief cheerleader. A positive attitude will do more to fight the terrorist threats than trying to lure them all into a war in the middle east. I am looking for a candidate that understands balancing the budget, that we can't continue to spend trillions more than we take in. Buying votes is easy, and we've become accustomed to "helping the economy". One that understands some programs are investments. Education, childcare for the poor, health care, all are cost effective when they lead to better paying jobs, and it's easier to keep someone healthy then pay for disease. Someone with the courage to spend our tax dollars are what we need, not what is politically popular, like a symbolic fence. Someone that will see we need immigrant labor, and put together a meaningful immigration reform bill that allows businesses to hire the people they need and will not require a generation of our kids to become yardmen. Immigrants have always filled these jobs in every society, nature always provides the most efficient solutions. As far as Congress and the Senate, I have two different views. In the Senate, I look for visionaries and statesmen. People with high ideals that can offer long term solutions. Character over political views. The Senate should be the arena for great debate. In the congress I look for a worker, someone that will roll up their sleeve and get things done for today.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 25, 2006 -> 04:55 AM) And that has what to do with the money being paid by the Rangers which is whay the question was to start with... Good Morning With ARod, its all about the money and his huge contract. If, as some have theorized, the Rangers are required to pay whomever has ARod, and not necessarily the Yankees, then the Yankees have to package ARod + $28.4 million. If the Rangers are paying the Yankees, and the Yankees are free to offer less than that dollar amount, there is more flexibility for the Yankees to toss in talent (doubtful) or accept someone with a bad contract and the money could be lower. I could see negotiations where the dollar amount may be $26 mil with player A or $29 mil with player B. Making moving ARod a tad easier. As I mentioned earlier, it probably will not make a difference, it's one of those technicalities. My guess is the Yankees may have to add some of their money to the Ranger money to make it happen. Another reason I believe the team is obligated to pay the other team would be in the event of a career ending injury or retirement. I normally couldn't care less about a players contract, but this time of year, with no Sox baseball being played, it's all about trades and money.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 06:28 PM) I don't understand why you are tossing in what the Yanks may do. maybe because ARod is a Yankee and they are the ones trading him?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 04:33 PM) Yep, It will at the very least be the same. The Yanks could obviously throw in additional cash to make Arod more lucrative on the trade market (but that is all up to negotiations between the Yanks and whoever there trade partner is). I think it would depend on who the Yankees receive in return. While it would seem nit piking to some, having the flexibility to adjust the dollars based on the talent involved will make the deal much easier to make. Imagine if you had to offer the exact combination of players that would make that exact cash work out. In the end, as I mentioned before, whether the Rangers are sending money to the Yankees or to A-Rod anything could be worked out. ARod's original deal and Boras' ability to sell a player coming off an injury, and unavailable for a workout, to a top 10 contract, proves that.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 03:53 PM) I do not have the exact terms of the contract. I believe Texas paid a total of $65 million or so when the trade was originally made. From everything I have read, that money (a prorated portion of it of course), would follow ARod in the event that he was dealt from the Yankees. I am just speculating here, but it is my belief that the money would follow him, either because the contract states that it would, or simply because if the Yankees attempted to deal ARod without sending the Texas money along, or any of their own money along, it would make ARod practically unmovable. I don't believe any team would be willing to take on any player, regardless of who it was, at $100 million for 4 years in the current economic climate, AND trade away players of value as well. NY, if they truly wish to deal him, are going to have to make it not only feasible for another team to fit him into their payroll, and make it a favorable position for themselves by getting back players of value. It is doubtful that Bud Selid would approve a deal that looked like a pure "salary dump." I agree that money would have to follow A-Rod, I just believe it could be more or less than what Texas is paying

QUOTE(iamshack @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) Just to clear things up, if ARod were traded, assuming the Yankees did not pick up any salary, the money Texas ate to make ARod tradable would follow him to whatever team the Yankees deal him to. That amount is about $66 million over 4 years, or slightly more than $16 million per year. There has been some speculation that NY might pick up some additional salary, to lessen the commitment to somewhere more in the neighborhood of $12 million per year, and involve more teams in the bidding, however, that is fairly unlikely IMO. Link? Here's one that states the Rangers owe New York click I doubt in this case it would make a difference, but I could see a deal where the third team down the road would not receive the entire amount. A great example would be someone like Thomas or Thome, a superstar with a questionable recovery. They recover 100%, have great seasons and their value rises. The team that was receiving money would possibly not have to eat as much of the salary as the first team did.

It seems odd to me that his contract would be amended to say X dollars are paid by Texas and Y dollars are paid by New York. Actually would he then have a contract with Texas and a contract with NY? It would make more sense that all dollars are paid by New York. The player would continue to get everything that was spelled out in the contract. In the end it doesn't matter, the amount he is due will not change, whether he receives three checks or only one, it probably isn't important. But who would it benefit if his contract was amended to say Texas always pays A-Rod? Would it make a difference who Texas writes the check to? Plus, if he is traded, couldn't the receiving team just toss back the Ranger money in the deal, if that is what it took? Obviously it would probably be the Yankess tossing in cash. I can't see the player wanting to deal with two teams, especially after he has left one.

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