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Read the attachment. Here is the bottom line. He was never convicted of any crime in connection to the money. The government now has his money. He's innocent and out $124,000 I can't see how that can be correct. I understand this is very analogous to OJ being found not guilty in criminal court and guilty in civil court. But it seems dangerous and gives the government powers I don't like them having. In other cases, there were drugs found or a scent that humans could smell. I'm not claiming that the government's theory that this was drug money isn't correct, I think it is. But, I believe in our laws and constitution and do not believe the government should be allowed to seize property in this manner. The only evidence of a link to drugs was the amount itself.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 01:33 PM) Classy. I don't think that the MAJORITY of people believe it is. IIRC the most deadly school shooting was in Europe (Germany or Scotland, I think). Prayers and warm thoughts to one of my favorite cities. Wasn't it the one in Russia with the terrorists? I remember reading an account in Esquire. Very sad. It was on my birthday.

This is the problematic part. If you are carrying large sums of cash, you are automatically considered a drug dealer. That is the result of this ruling. Sometimes logical actions in one case have unintended consequences. My understanding from one of the articles was he was never charged. I thought he could be transported to the station without being arrested?

He wasn't arrested, they seized the money while they investigated. In your example, you have someone who confesses to something illegal. This man didn't confess to something legal. There is a difference. What this ruling does is allow the police to confiscate the property of anyone who cares large sums of cash.

What did he do that was illegal that would cause the government to seize his property? He lied about something that was legal, carrying cash. He lied when he said he wasn't convicted of a crime. He believed a DUI wasn't a crime. There was a scent of drugs on his money (see my post above, we're all guilty there) There was a scent of drugs in a rental car. No residue. Just a scent in a rental car. There is a difference between arresting him and seizing his property. I believe they went too far in seizing his property. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 11:21 AM) We are talking about an arrest here, not a conviction. The entire concept of Innocent until proven Guilty resides with the courts, where guilt and innocence is determined. On the street, its probable cause, and there was plenty of that to be had in this case. We are talking about seizing his property, not the arrest.

I guess I'm not ready to give up on innocent until proven guilty. BTW, he had an explaination.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 10:53 AM) Of all the folks caught carrying large sums of cash... I would bet high that most of them are breaking the law in some way, shape, or form. I would agree. But should that be enough to have the government seize their property until they can prove themselves innocent?

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Changed the title. The court ruled that the most obvious reason to carry large amounts of cash is because you are involved in drugs. That sounds like guilty until proven innocent.

Heading to work today, how many people should have been arrested for speeding? 50%? 75%? We have no control over what is on the money we receive, or the cars we rent. No drugs were found. No drug residue was found, no drug involvement on his record. His previous arrest was for a DUI. His property was seized because of speeding, scents on stuff he had no control over, a DUI he didn't consider a crime, and carrying cash. As it turned out, they could not charge him on any drug charges. And as for the scents, guess what, everyone reading this is probably guilty of having drug scented money. From Snopes

During a Scout training we needed to sew a patch on our uniforms. One of the guys in my group, an eye surgeon, pulled out one of those round needles and a hemostat and started sewing. Took him forever, but I don't think he left a scar on his uniform.

I expect this in the violent world of womens figure skating, but not on a football team . . .

Did you at least use a suture needle?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 09:21 AM) Doctor's not in today. I've got to wait until tomorrow. What the F-CK am I going to do? I'm going to be stuck here, feeling as if I'm asphixiating, all day, with nothing to do. If you were older, I'd suggest internet porn . . .

Previous arrest was for a traffic violations (DUI) most people think of being arrested for things like assault, robbery, drugs, etc. Anyone driving a rental that someone else rented is automatically a criminal? Rental cars have many different drivers, the current driver should not be assumed guilty based on invisible scents. next time you rent a car carefully check it out and make certain there are no scents that a dog can pick up, and also check your money. So Americans can now be arrested for carrying cash. That's nice, we'll seize your property, and if we find out you are INNOCENT, then we'll give it back. I thought America only seized property from the guilty.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 09:20 AM) So, I tore my pants this morning and no one had any needle and thread. I have a big presentation today at noon. Guess what fixed my pants. . . Surgical suture from one of the rat labs. Woo. what, no duct tape handy?

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QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 09:07 AM) Mine. We can spearfish for goliath grouper. What would pair nicely with Ridley Turtle Soup?

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QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 08:20 AM) I am too old for all nighters. *yawn* Grading papers, creating papers, or a really good date?

QUOTE(Soxy @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 08:14 AM) Maybe with a picture of you in its mouth? That works, or maybe the fish could holding a spear with my picture impaled on the tip. . .

Has anyone noticed how SL&M reflects how the team is doing? After a terrible loss, we have threads on a mom killing her child, abducted children, blown out knees, a guy dying while spear fishing,