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QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ May 15, 2006 -> 08:50 PM) Wasn't Buehrle telling him to go to first? Yes he was, nice call

Southsider, what percentage of the illegals do you believe are working without paperwork and what percentage are working with false papers? And what do you base that number on? I am in an area where it is very easy to hire undocumented workers, I am within the 50 mile range where you can visit but your aren't suppose to work. I've enver heard of anyone paying that low. How can anyone live in America on $120 per week and zero government benefits? Far more are working on false or ake social security numbers and getting paid minimum wage or better. This allows the employer to have some plausible denyability if they were to get caught. I do agree that once legal, these workers will be more likely to apply for all of the government programs there wage status would allow.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ May 15, 2006 -> 08:47 AM) I was somewhat questioning it at first. I was looking for the 5-4-3 triple play. When he called the 3-4-6, I definitely had my doubts. I'm glad it all worked out though and I'm enjoying my crow. Nice Job Coop!! In the Cooper thread

QUOTE(mr_genius @ May 15, 2006 -> 04:37 PM) they also need to pay a fine Sure. How about community service projects instead, that is the option we offer here for low income people?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 10:28 AM) On a play like that you get the quickest out you can get. The way the play took Konerko his quickest look was first base, and it could very well have been if he looks at first, looks at second, that he would have gotten no one. On a bang-bang play you take the first out that you see. Hindsite does dictate that he would have had the triple play regardless, but you get what you can get in a game situation. I just looked at the replay again, and you are right. I was thinking charging in, and being a righty, he would have been looking more towards third and seeing the lead runner, than the guy behind him going to second. But he kind of half turned as he caught it.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 15, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) Tex. We've been over this ground before. Take away their social benefits and their ill-gotten jobs and they will leave on their own. Make them legal if they have a clean criminal history, a good job history, and can demonstrate the ability to support them and we won't have to gamble that the replacement person is a decent person.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 15, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) As long as they come through the gate and I know who's coming in and out I dont have a problem with it. I have to add, and there is a job waiting for them.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 01:03 PM) Again deporting all illegals is very different than stopping all immigration. No one has called for stopping immigration. You are lumping it all together when it is apples and oranges. Yes. Seems obvious to me. Yes, no one. I didn't mean to lump deportation and immigration into one, sorry if it came off that way. The only thing connecting them is what to do with the current population while deciding on the new immigrants. I believe if you are already here, haven't been in any trouble, have a good employment history, you should stay before someone standing at the gate. And since no one is advocating deportation, I guess we all agree. Unless we want to add a few million to our prison population. Any more thoughts on the food situation? I wasn't trying to have my cake and eat it too.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:55 AM) Well if we are the worlds largest unemployment office, why are we worrying about Mexico so much, when we could be helping people who REALLY need it, such as the victims of war and genocide in Africa, who would literally kill to be here, or the families torn apart by something like the 2004 tsunami and have nothing left but disease and poverty? If our roll is to help the rest of the world, there are many, many countries in worse shape than our neighbors to the south, including the Central American countries who Mexico refuses to help. Amen. We are always better off at sending money to people, (tsunami, Iraq, Africa) but we really hate it when they show up at our doorstep and want to work.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) Most people ... Most ... want to stop illegal immigration, not just immigration. Right, including you and me. And I look at illegal vs legal this way. And I know you will be one of these that will at least understand my point, although you may or may not agree. There are some laws that are Biblical in nature. Murder, stealing, etc. Those are wrong, have been forever. Then there are things that are only illegal because some folks in Washington say they are wrong. Is it illegal for an 20-year old to drink? That changes based on where on this planet you are standing. I don't see any Biblical guidance in immigration, so we have to do what is right for the majority. I also want to do what is right for America first. Our disagreement is what is right for America and what is an acceptable method to combat the "crime" that is created with our laws. Someone walks from point A to point B. Is it legal? Again, that depends on what someone in Washington decides. We decide what is legal and illegal immigration. We could decide to throw open the border and call that legal. That would be a disaster, we all agree. So the debate is what should be legal and what should be illegal. I believe in allowing as many as can support themselves, with a program that would offer citizenship based on a set criteria. I also believe that would do enough to solve this problem and that a wall and turning my backyard into a military zone is unnecessary. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 12:28 PM) Ah, having our cake and eating it too I see. Where exactly should we keep putting people, without plowing under farm land? Higher highrises? Also how are we going to feed more people, with less farmland, meanwhile importing less food and growing more of our own. Sounds like a little self-contradictory to me. MOST don't want to stop immigration. They want to stop UNCONTROLED, ILLEGAL immigration. BIG BIG difference between the two. I haven't seen one person on here at all say that ALL immigration should be stopped. If there has been, I would love for you to find me a link. I agree with you 100% on that. But, from seeing major operations getting busted down here, we should make stopping CONTROLLED, illegal immigration our first priority. And some did mention deporting all the legals. You know enforce the law and all that. Getting to the food, the problem is as we plow up close to urban center farmland, we are not creating far from urban center farmland. It isn't that we don't have the land, it is farmers are selling out and quiting the industry because over seas production is cheaper and year round, especially in South America. Does that make sense? The other issue is the mega-corporate owed farms are not planting the diversity of crops that happened with smaller, less centralized agriculture. The gamble is these crops are not vulnerable to a specific disease.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 12:07 PM) That's a different spin, since you seem to be against any legislation or action that would limit immigration ... even illegal immigration. No, I've been saying over and over again, let US INTERESTS decide the program. If the US needs them, then let's allow them. Some people claim we don't need them, and I think that conclusion is wrong, With the low unemployement rates these past decades, these workers have fit into the economy. That clearly demonstrates to me there is a need. Don't shoot ourselves in the foot by deporting them. I do not believe the US will raise a generation of manual laborors, at any price. As has been happening forever, immigrants will take those jobs and their children will not. Just like many of our ancestors did to give our grandparents and parents that opportunity. I don't think we have to create a military zone to put some sanity into this situation. Some people want to stop immigration no matter what, that is insane.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:57 AM) Or we could stem illegal immigration, which is the only source of population increase in the US right now. the US popluation itself is actually at really close to zero growth right now. Would you then slow the economic growth and the hot economy creating jobs? That to me is the central theme. We are creating these low end jobs, your solution seems to always be Americans, at some higher salary, will suddenly want to be yardmen, bus boys, and migrant workers. I don't see it. I don't see someone growing up in America, attending school, deciding on a manual labor job. I do see immigrants accepting that role to provide a better life for their children. As parents, we all know the sacrifices we would make for our children. QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:57 AM) One way of controlling population increases in the USA is to keep the illegals out. I agree 100%. I am all for only allowing those immigrants who can support themselves and their families to immigrate. That should be part of the guest worker program. No jobs, no immigration. Let US labor needs control immigration, not some arbitrary program that is decades old.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:53 AM) So its population increases that are causing this problem huh? I guess we need to have a Chinese-style population control programme to prevent us from having to import food then huh? drinking early Nuke? Easier solution, as the population increases, so too should our capability to feed them.

It worked so well last time

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:41 AM) The US is the biggest EXPORTER of food in the world. If there were really a problem, we would quit selling to other countries. As I mentioned, if you get a chance, pick up Spoiled : The Dangerous Truth about a Food Chain Gone Haywire it is an excellent synopsis on where our agriculture programs are heading. As our population is rising, our agriculture acreage is decreasing. At some point, the author theorizes, our increases in yields will no longer offset those decreases and we will become more dependent on foreign foods. We don't think of Ag as an important part of national security, but it is almost as vital as safe drinking water.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:38 AM) We are importing food because it is profitable to do so, not because we need to. The USA can feed itself in a crisis situation. Exactly. And as more and more capability gets plowed under, and more and more farms close, it becomes more and more difficult. It is in our nation's security interest to maintain a healthy agriculture industry. In a crisis we will be able to feed ourselves, but it will take time to plant those crops and have them grow.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) Oh brother. We'll never be dependant on foriegn food. If we need it we'll grow it. It's not like oil where there is a finite amount. The rhetoric is getting ridiculous. We already are. We import an insane amount of food. Those strawberries in January? They weren't grown in Missouri. Your McBurgers? South American cattle. The only large burger chain that uses American beef is What-a-burger. It takes time to grow crops and the land is being used for shopping malls, not agriculture. Check out this UK article I also suggest this book if you care about the food you eat. Great read.

I assume he knew they were off on the pitch. Usually the reflex is to look to get the lead runner, not the trailing runner.

They should be next door neighbors to Moussaoui If it is true, I hope there is an extra special place in hell for them.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ May 15, 2006 -> 10:12 AM) That's because you are LAME. The song is, of course, Suite: Judy Blue Eyes. Friday evening. Sunday in teh afternoon. What have you got to lose? Tuesday morning. Please be gone I'm tired of you. What have you got to lose? ... Will you come see me Thursdays and Saturdays? What have you got to lose? damn, I am sooo embarassed. But that is so obscure.

^^^^^^ Amen

One of the areas that always attracted me to the GOP was fiscal. With their "we pay taxes to stimulate the economy and it has nothing to do with expenses" philosophy, I've lost that. There are still some social issues I am morre comfy in the GOP camp, but even those are becoming fewer and fewer as the GOP moves even further right. I'd be comfortable with a shift to the right for both parties. There are few ultra-liberal ideals I believe in.

Most guys would have been pulled and their team would have given up. I know I gave the standard oh s***, I get to see a game on "real tv" and they suck tonight. I didn't realize I was in for a very entertaining game.