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QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 12:07 PM) That's a different spin, since you seem to be against any legislation or action that would limit immigration ... even illegal immigration. No, I've been saying over and over again, let US INTERESTS decide the program. If the US needs them, then let's allow them. Some people claim we don't need them, and I think that conclusion is wrong, With the low unemployement rates these past decades, these workers have fit into the economy. That clearly demonstrates to me there is a need. Don't shoot ourselves in the foot by deporting them. I do not believe the US will raise a generation of manual laborors, at any price. As has been happening forever, immigrants will take those jobs and their children will not. Just like many of our ancestors did to give our grandparents and parents that opportunity. I don't think we have to create a military zone to put some sanity into this situation. Some people want to stop immigration no matter what, that is insane.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:57 AM) Or we could stem illegal immigration, which is the only source of population increase in the US right now. the US popluation itself is actually at really close to zero growth right now. Would you then slow the economic growth and the hot economy creating jobs? That to me is the central theme. We are creating these low end jobs, your solution seems to always be Americans, at some higher salary, will suddenly want to be yardmen, bus boys, and migrant workers. I don't see it. I don't see someone growing up in America, attending school, deciding on a manual labor job. I do see immigrants accepting that role to provide a better life for their children. As parents, we all know the sacrifices we would make for our children. QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:57 AM) One way of controlling population increases in the USA is to keep the illegals out. I agree 100%. I am all for only allowing those immigrants who can support themselves and their families to immigrate. That should be part of the guest worker program. No jobs, no immigration. Let US labor needs control immigration, not some arbitrary program that is decades old.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:53 AM) So its population increases that are causing this problem huh? I guess we need to have a Chinese-style population control programme to prevent us from having to import food then huh? drinking early Nuke? Easier solution, as the population increases, so too should our capability to feed them.

It worked so well last time

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:41 AM) The US is the biggest EXPORTER of food in the world. If there were really a problem, we would quit selling to other countries. As I mentioned, if you get a chance, pick up Spoiled : The Dangerous Truth about a Food Chain Gone Haywire it is an excellent synopsis on where our agriculture programs are heading. As our population is rising, our agriculture acreage is decreasing. At some point, the author theorizes, our increases in yields will no longer offset those decreases and we will become more dependent on foreign foods. We don't think of Ag as an important part of national security, but it is almost as vital as safe drinking water.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 11:38 AM) We are importing food because it is profitable to do so, not because we need to. The USA can feed itself in a crisis situation. Exactly. And as more and more capability gets plowed under, and more and more farms close, it becomes more and more difficult. It is in our nation's security interest to maintain a healthy agriculture industry. In a crisis we will be able to feed ourselves, but it will take time to plant those crops and have them grow.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 10:27 AM) Oh brother. We'll never be dependant on foriegn food. If we need it we'll grow it. It's not like oil where there is a finite amount. The rhetoric is getting ridiculous. We already are. We import an insane amount of food. Those strawberries in January? They weren't grown in Missouri. Your McBurgers? South American cattle. The only large burger chain that uses American beef is What-a-burger. It takes time to grow crops and the land is being used for shopping malls, not agriculture. Check out this UK article I also suggest this book if you care about the food you eat. Great read.

I assume he knew they were off on the pitch. Usually the reflex is to look to get the lead runner, not the trailing runner.

They should be next door neighbors to Moussaoui If it is true, I hope there is an extra special place in hell for them.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ May 15, 2006 -> 10:12 AM) That's because you are LAME. The song is, of course, Suite: Judy Blue Eyes. Friday evening. Sunday in teh afternoon. What have you got to lose? Tuesday morning. Please be gone I'm tired of you. What have you got to lose? ... Will you come see me Thursdays and Saturdays? What have you got to lose? damn, I am sooo embarassed. But that is so obscure.

^^^^^^ Amen

One of the areas that always attracted me to the GOP was fiscal. With their "we pay taxes to stimulate the economy and it has nothing to do with expenses" philosophy, I've lost that. There are still some social issues I am morre comfy in the GOP camp, but even those are becoming fewer and fewer as the GOP moves even further right. I'd be comfortable with a shift to the right for both parties. There are few ultra-liberal ideals I believe in.

Most guys would have been pulled and their team would have given up. I know I gave the standard oh s***, I get to see a game on "real tv" and they suck tonight. I didn't realize I was in for a very entertaining game.

Just wondering, but when Kong went to first first, wasn't the correct play to get the lead runner at second? I thought it should have been a 3-6-4 not a 3-4-6.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ May 15, 2006 -> 08:47 AM) I was somewhat questioning it at first. I was looking for the 5-4-3 triple play. When he called the 3-4-6, I definitely had my doubts. I'm glad it all worked out though and I'm enjoying my crow. Nice Job Coop!!

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 05:07 AM) Strange game. Amen to that, and one we could actually watch on "real tv".

He's getting there. He's got the tools to be a very solid player. Being a MLBer isn't easy, even with the ability.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 08:57 AM) Yeah an ace would have gone out there, not given up anymore runs, given his team a chance to win, and pitched into the seventh saving the bullpen from being blown up with a low pitch count fifth starter coming up in two days. But if he did that, he would be the first pitcher in over 100 years to give up 7 first inning runs and earn a win.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 15, 2006 -> 08:51 AM) There's a song by CS+N that mentions the following days of the week: Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday in that order. Anyone know the song? Not without researching

Sorry, I wasn't writing clearly. I don't believe the jobs should pay sub-minimum. I believe we should have a guest worker program, much likeBush proposed, that matches workers with employers, at or above minimum wage. I also believe we are not producing enough citizens to fill these jobs, which is a good thing. I also believe that these jobs are undesirable, not only for the wages,. but the nature of the work. If any of our kids came home and said they wanted he life of a migrant farm worker, bus boy, we'd be aghast. We do not value unskilled jobs in this country. We haven't in a long time. We want to pay to sweat, not get paid to sweat. From a job perspective, we need someone to fill these less desirable jobs, We have a large group of people who wish to live in the US. We then use these jobs as a entry for citizenship. Two needs are filled for everyone's benefit. Make it easy for employers to hire people througth the program and make it very bad for employers who are caught with illegal workers. Once a guest worker program is functioning, I don't have a problem with coming down with the full force of the government on employer's asses for paying people cash (from illegals to grandpa avoiding hurting his pension). I am most concerned about our already vulnerable agriculture industry. By raising wages, more producers will be forced to grow our crops overseas. Dependency on foreign oil is a problem, we are also dependent on foreign food. I can go without driving for a long time, I can't go more than 3 weeks without food.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 15, 2006 -> 08:39 AM) How anyone could reasonably expect the privacy of having the calls placed from their phone not to be accessible by the government is beyond me. Did you people ever watch Law & Order? They are always checking phone records and not needing any warrants to do so. It seems to me they are getting warrants. It's just so routine it is hardly mentioned. Anyway, they are investigating a specific person. I don't think it's the expectation of privacy, it's the government now starting off with the notion that we are all guilty until proven innocent. If we have to give up freedom of speech, search and seizure laws, maybe torture a few people, to keep giant sharks from invading Utah, I think we should do it. If we try and save our freedoms and rights, the terrorists will take them away. I don't know where the balance is, perhaps we are too free. Perhaps innocent until proven guilty is a quaint notion from a long gone era and we should just turn our lives over the to government for scrutiny. Last someone from a terrorist task force know our every move, perhaps tell them before it happens. After all, if it saves just one life, it's worth it, isn't it? I'll bet terrorists will have guns, why don't we start by having police track everyone with a gun in this country? Perhaps, for the privilege of owning a gun, and being a part of a well armed militia, the government should be allowed to enter your home, anytime, and check on them. After all if it stops one terrorist attack. I have nothing to hide, I'll be the first one. I'm innocent, and anyone who doesn't agree with this, must have something to hide.

Some days just don't inspire good music. My list. Sunday - What I Love About Sundays - Craig Morgan Monday - I Don't Like Mondays - Boomtown Rats Tuesday - Ruby Tuesday - Duh Wednesday Thursday Friday - Black Friday - Steely Dan Saturday - Saturday in the Park - Chicago Monday was the toughest, great Monday songs. Saturday was a toughie also. Friday? I was kind of stuck.

When a player leaves on his own, for whatever reason, and the fans start screaming, what about us, what about the faaaaaaans. I remember threads like this. The fans only give a s*** as long as you are wearing that jersey. There is no loyalty in baseball. This is why I will never criticize a player for leaving.

Nice that Coop is starting to get some attention. I don't know what his career goals are, but I hope he has the opportunity to pursue them at some point.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 15, 2006 -> 07:05 AM) Except that these illegal aliens are BECOMING our own poor people... Is it the person that is doing the job that creates poor people, or the wages that these jobs pay? Would American bus boys not be poor? Unemployment is, and has been, very low. It seems our economy needs these jobs filled. If we do not allow for immigrant labor, who is going to do these jobs? Will Americans pick up the slack and work two jobs? Will college students take a couple years off their studies and become migrant workers? Should we raise the retirement age and have grandpa working in a slaughter house? I keep hearing about the poverty problem, but the solution isn't someone else working the job, anyone else working the job would be poor. The solution is either raising the wages, (which is usually against conservative business philosophy), and getting Americans to accept careers as manual laborors, or building a guest worker program where immigrants use these jobs as their ticket to citizenship. Why are we not embracing the fact that the American education system produces children that offer more potential than manual labor? Our children do not have to toil at these jobs, and I for one am glad.