Texsox

Careful guys, this is very close to the policy line. Sounds like a simmering issue. May I suggest the ignore feature?

http://www.sdabu.com/mistakes_main.htm

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) But why does the batter get to run on the drop? The put out is recorded by the catcher who completes the play. The swing and a miss is only part of the play, just like grounding to the second baseman is only part of a routine out at first. The offensive team has to complete the play, which is either the catcher catching the ball, or the batter/runner being tagged out. Continuing the analogy, the first baseman could drop the throw from second but could still pick up the ball and tag the runner or base on the force. Clearer?

QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) I saw the edit, and should have been more specific. I wasn't attacking members here, but rather the sports radio blowhards. I figured as much. No harm, no foul. If you like, edit your post and take out the notice.

QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) How so? If AJ is called out, it goes to extra innings. Do you have a crystal ball to know what would have happened? Is it the asshole part? We're not allowed to cuss here now? Calling fellow posters assholes is not allowed.

It has been mentioned in every thread concerning "the call"

QUOTE(shakes @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 10:44 AM) He keeps switching sides, he has no Class. I guess we're saying he isn't America's Sweetheart anymore? And before anyone mentions it, I know it's been One Crazy Summer

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:55 PM) First base has to be open unless there is two outs. If there is two outs, the batter-runner gets the opportunity to advance to first regardless. And the defense would have the opportunity to throw out any runner? Is it a force at second?

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:48 PM) Can somebody explain the purpose of the rule? Somebody was just asking me and all I could really say was "it just is...". It's not like the Infield Fly where there is a logical reason for it, from what I can tell. What exactly is the purpose? Great question. Just like the first baseman has to catch the ball on a force and touch the base, the play is completed when the ball is secured by the other team. The "out play" is a thrown between the pitcher and catcher. I forget about what happens when a runner is at first. Doesn't 1st have to be open?

In the postseason, Crede is comparing himself very well to A-Rod who not exactly Mr. October . . .

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) Thanks, Tex, I'm going to go ahead and take a look. I really have to give it to the guys. There have been some fantastic baseball discussions going since we reached the playoffs. I have to be honest, I was expecting the polar opposite. Hats off, Soxtalk. It really is threads like this that make me appreciate this place. I have to read every thread, but cringe when I see 100 posts that fast, because usually someone is pissed. Instead my opinion of the call and confusion changed three times in the first 50 posts.

:headshake

How's this for Crede's introduction, Boras singing Money by Pink Floyd?

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:36 PM) Not as such, No. What'd I get myself in to? Go back, this may be the best soxtalk discussion ever. Great points on bot sides.

Where did you read that? Spot on mate

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) From where our seats were last night, I thought he hit it out. It wasn't until we got to the car that I realized it was only a double. Fittingly, before the inning they played "I'm Holding Out For A Hero" Although, I'm wondering if that song should be dedicated last night to AJ or Joe last night. Yep only a double

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) I haven't been around much the past day or so, but, has any argued Scioscia's long, belabored objection to the umpire crew may have hurt his ballclub. Escobar, or whoever that was, was rolling at that point. I'm not faulting his questioning the call...you have to do that...but, I think he would have been much better off clapping his hands, giving his pitcher a pat on the ass and troting back to the dugout. By staying out there and making a federal case of it, he almost set his Angels up for failure in that inning. Am I alone on this? I don't know. I don't get the opportunity to get much sports talk radio down here. Good analysis. Someone else mentioned he should have called the infield together and calmed them down.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) I didn't even want to come on Soxtalk after last night's "win." But, you nailed it. I'm a patched umpire as well and as soon as the home plate umpire punched him "out" with the fist, the play should have been over. He needed to yell at Pierzynski to stop running down the line and call him back. Bad call. Yet, the Sox go to Cali. with a series tie. If the Sox can go out there and beat the Angels straight up with some timely offense and this great starting pitching, no one will look at this as the turning point of the series. The Sox control their own destiny in regards to this call and what the rest of the series will hold. I also want to add if Paul tagged Pierzynski on the ass after the pitch--like he should have and like he was taught since little league--this would never have happened. AJ gets out there and makes the difference with the decision to run down the basepath. Hats off to AJ as well. Just wondering, did you read through the thread before posting?

QUOTE(S720 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) Go and tell them to talk to my Cubs-fan brothers and friends. They would want nothing more than for the Angels to put the White Sox away in a sweep! And that's the fact! Have you all noticed the people on the baseball message boards who complained the most and really intensify their criticism about the call last night were either those who hate the White Sox AND the Cubs fans? My brother who has moved away from Chicago since 1989 still hates the White Sox in his gut. I respect his feelings as well as he has for me. You are right for the hard core fan. The Cub fan base is not all hard core. They have legions of casual fans who really don't care. We've made fun of their fans for years, talking on a cell phone, showing up late, not knowing players, not knowing the rules, standings, etc. Those people do not care and are the very people we are trying to attract.

I do believe there are more Cub fans that root for the Sox than vice versa. It comes down to casual fans. They are not the hard core fans that frequent this site or a similar Cub site, but the 500,000 extra tickets that are sold at Wrigley every year. They enjoy a baseball game on a warm weekend. They choose the game more on their schedule or the Cub opponent, than the pitching matchups or playoff implications. Wrigley is the place to be, they are surrounded by 25,000 fans like themselves, a great neighborhood for before and after the game. They don't bleed Cubbie blue, and probably know less Cub history than the average Soxtalk poster. This makes cheering for the Sox because of a Chicago connection easier than cheering for the Angels without a connection. Another factor is the out of town pressure. Most people here did not believe that I loved Steve Bartman. They could not understand me rooting against a Chicago team. They assumed it was a losers limp. That I was pretending to enjoy the Cub's losing.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 11:55 AM) Thanks for posting the link. Thanks for thanking him, it saved me a post Nice article. Of course anyone that looks favorably on the men in black sounds good to me.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) do you think it's possible that some of us may in fact believe it's the right call? or do you think that it's possible that we realize we got a break and we're happy about it because we won the freakin game? honestly - they won game one and they shouldnt have, and we won game 2 and we shouldnt have. reverse it and it's still 1-1 We will never know who would have won if JP tags AJ. The call and confusion did not cost the Angels a victory. BIG difference.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 13, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) I think it will be huge, but I consider what happened in game 2 to be a HUGE mometum swing in favor of the Sox. I think this is exactly what we needed to get going again. This is my favorite momentum theory

Next year when he and Boras ride this to a huge out of town contract, he'll f***in' suck, the greedy no talent whore