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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 12:08 AM) The Scrabble tournaments ESPN shows are fun to watch too! I love top level scrabble.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 06:27 PM) Who said a player should settle for less money? That is a completely different question. You asked if the teams were getting hurt. I think for everyone except the upper echelon teams, they benefit by not signing Borass guys as they are able to sign comparable players for less money, and then have the ability to build around those players moreso than if they wasted that money on one player. But not all Boras clients are upper echelon players earning multi-year, multiple-million dollar paychecks. Definition time: Boras Player, any player he represents. Boras Player, A-Rod etc. earning multiples of tens of millions of dollars. Or are you extending Boras' negotiations to include a guy near the minimum who may make an extra $100,000 because he had Boras representing him? I hesitate to throw this example on the fire, but doesn't Boras represent Crede? I doubt Crede's contract prevented us from signing any free agent. I think we are in total agreement that committing a huge chuck of your payroll to one or two stars is not a path to the post season. Baseball requires too many players, and any one individual will not have enough AB or defensive chances to make a big enough impact. So yes the Rangers are now the poster child for payroll management. I think YAS brings up an excellent point. In a sense Boras is also helping his clients to winning teams based on some of the smaller market teams passing. I understand the business side of baseball, I just worry when alongside height weight position played is the agent's name as an important tool in evaluating talent. Soon, players will be able to almost hand select what team they are going to based on who their agent is.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 03:44 PM) Lol, my sister and I were both supposed to boys. Hopefully SS's turns out to be correct or he might have a little boy sleeping in a pink room. How do we know you aren't a guy pretending to be a Soxy?

Sometimes our absolute desire to protect the innocent makes us look stupid. :headshake

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 08:12 AM) But money shouldn't be the ONLY factor in negotiations is what I'm trying to get at. Teams have budgets, Bora$$ has an idea that teams have a big revenue stream that they should be throwing at his clients. Sure you could be getting some extra money, but would you prefer to be happy and winning, or would you prefer to be miserable? Look at Alex Rodriguez. Perfect scenario. The player and his agent should not be negotiating for the team, any more than the team should be negotiating for the player. Agent "I'm sorry Mr. TeamOwner, but I don't see how you can be competitive and pay my player $10,000,000. Let's make it $8,500,000? Does that sound fair to you? TeamOwner "No, I insist. He's batting .329 and we need a left handed bat. He's worth at least $10,000,000 that's only fair. Agent "Well if you can convince me you can spend it *and* be competitive, I guess we will take the money." QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 08:17 AM) Look at the Sox of 2005 and 2004 and think about that question. You need more parts than 2 studs if you are going to win. You have to be deep. Unless you are the Yankees and Red Sox, it doesn't make sense to spend that much money on one or two great players, when you can get 5 good players for the same price. Teams are hurting themselves wasting so much money one so few players. I'm not arguing that a top heavy payroll is the answer. I agree that a balanced payroll, is probably a better path to the playoffs. What I cannot see is a player settling for less money on some hope the team will use the money to sign other players, who also would be signing for less, in hopes of getting other players who will sign for less dollars. That's a nice socialist system, but not a free enterprise, American dream way. And just having the extra money doesn't mean you will win anything. The Yankees have an almost unlimited payroll. If players started signing contracts based on lower wages so the team could sign more free agents, like the Yankees, there is no guarantee of winning. But my original question. Are teams hurting themselves when they refuse to sign a player based on his agent?

QUOTE(winodj @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) Love grows where my Rosemary goes and nobody knows but me. Another great sing along song, but Rosemary!!? You work your side of the street and stay off my side. Bi is too damn greedy

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 26, 2005 -> 02:22 AM) I don't know. I detect a resemblance to the postman. Sorry Mr. Dean, but I'm a white Christian and I voted for Kerry. Does he want me to switch parties? I dislike all reference to races, religions, sexes, etc. and how they all must somehow support the same candidate or party. I'm a anti-Union Dem. I'm a pro-gun Dem. I am at times a pro-media GOPernaut. Unlike some GOPernauts who want to believe we can cut taxes and increase spending, I would rather see a tax and spend, then a spend and borrow. If McCain runs, I would be greatly tempted to campaign for him, regardless of the Dem candidate. Bottom line, any absolute statement would be wrong in describing me.

Small load, doing it by hand . . .

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) Yes it does. We had ME on our last computer and I swore I was gonna kick Bill Gate's ass for letting that POS OS out the door. We have XP on this 'puter and so far so good. QP, looking at your ava, when did Nascar add hills? Are they *still* trying to make it a sport

QUOTE(winodj @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) Every time I want my ants to leave, I just start playing my rock n roll music loudly. They just gather up my uncles and head out. Works every time. You are so not going to be the Exterminator on Queer Eye

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 07:58 AM) But the thing is nowadays teams aren't going to be that stupid. Look at Colorado with Todd Helton. Bora$$ thinks it's ok for the a team to pay at least an extra half of what he would probably get with another agent. He FORCES his clients to go into the FA market, and things like loyalty, family and comfort etc. just don't come into play with his negotiations. If the Tampa Bay Devil Rays offered Mr. X $25 million over 2 years, while say the Yankees offered $17.5 million over 2 years (if he played for the Yankees originally, and enjoyed playing there), Bora$$ would advise his client to take the D-Rays offer, even if the teams sucks and has no chance of making the playoffs. Jeff Weaver and Stephen Drew did the right thing though, even though Bora$$ was desperate for them to stay in the draft, for an extra $2 million. That's how this guy works, plain and simple. Too bad his clients are too dumb to see this. Those that think an agent has an obligation to the team to make certain the team doesn't do something stupid, do you also believe the team has an obligation to make certain the player doesn't do something stupid like sign for millions less than the player is worth? How many people here asked their employer, when an offer was made, if the company could gain market share by paying them less? How many would take a cut in pay to help their company gain market share?

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 06:50 PM) I guess we just have different ideas of what is entertaining. It was fun to watch the replays of that kid passing out Does that happen every year? The best I can figure is that all those kids are home schooled and they have no idea how to deal with any kind of pressure or that much social interaction. Actually most home schoolers I know have more social interactions with a wider group of people than kids in regular schools. The home school groups are really well organized. Sports leagues, field trips, etc. Another plus is most curriculums are completed in about half a day, leaving the other half for interactions in the "real world".

QUOTE(winodj @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 07:17 AM) I much preferred "Billy Don't Be A Hero" by Bo Donaldson and the Heywards. Another great song. Let us not forget Last Kiss

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 06:48 AM) You need a Fire Ant Reaction Team (F.A.R.T.) to drop a big bomb on them. (I know, they're not fire ants like they are around here... but hey...) Yesterday, I was getting some stuff out of my truck and was standing on a fire ant mound wearing sandals. Those little bastards are nasty. Thankfully I had some rubbing alchohol and some fire ant itch relief gel handy. In less than a minute, I must have had 30 bites.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 06:58 AM) Ask the Rangers and teams what is it worth to have spent $40 million a year on two Borass players and be handcuffed in adding complimentary players. There are bads to go with those good players. And you blame that on Boras? If they spent $40 million on a different agent's players, they would not have been handcuffed? The decision to pay that much for two players was flawed, regardless of who the agent is.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 06:15 AM) Genes play a role in female orgasms. Possibly maybe even more important than jewelery? Hah! I get it.

Boras' clients are a virtual all-star team. The best players all eventually find him and he finds them. How much of a disadvantage is it to any team that will not deal with him?

If you wanna hang out you’ve got to take her out; cocaine. If you wanna get down, down on the ground; cocaine. She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie; cocaine.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jun 7, 2005 -> 04:00 PM) This is absolutely hilarious to me. Folks on this board and a great number of people on the left made fun of Bush for being a "C" student then turning around and saying how brilliant Kerry was. What a crock of s*** that argument was. Don't forget making fun of him for not being able to pronounce nuclear.

Countin' flowers on the wall That don't bother me at all Playin' solitaire till dawn with a deck of fifty-one Smokin' cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kangaroo Now don't tell me I've nothin' to do

If he had a medical license, it would have been legal. Two people commit the same crime to their baby, one spends the rest of his life in prison, the other is free because she had a "right" to do it?! :headshake It all seems soooooo wrong and illogical.

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