Texsox

Exactly. Everyone must be responsible or the system fails. Seems simple to me.

First off I've offered no plan. The only point I've tried to make is any plan will fail if people aren't responsible and follow it. If the police aren't responsible and follow it, it fails. If people won't follow it, it fails. If lockdowns are the plan I believe people need to be responsible and follow the lockdowns. Whatever plan you want, my point will be great, people need to responsibly follow the plan. We're doomed if people are irresponsible.

Will people have to be responsible and follow the next step? And equal treatment to what? I keep saying whatever plan you want it needs people to be responsible and follow the plan.

The key is people following public policy. Having a policy that people must wear a mask only works if people put on the mask. I'm arguing that not only do we need good policy but we need people to responsibly follow the policy. Without people following the policy nothing changes.

Would it be better if the police were being responsible? Would it be better if the people were acting responsible?

And when they don't they need to be held accountable not told that personal responsibility doesn't matter.

I agree. There must be rules and punishments. I say people need to responsibly follow those rules. You disagree and say that fails.

No. But if they change the name to something else, probably. What was the Spanish Flu officially called? Widespread usage calls this Covid, Covid19, or the coronavirus.

It must be we were talking past each other. I felt like I was in this loop Board: People aren't being responsible. Me: Yep they should be responsible. Board: But Tex personal responsibility doesn't work. No doubt there are bad plans out there. But a bad plan with people being responsible is better that a great plan that people ignore. I will disagree with one point, at least how I define being responsible, it should be step one. Because I believe being responsible is wearing a mask, etc and following all the steps that would be in the plan anyway. The plan just sets penalties for non compliance. But that's splitting hairs. If you check Gillespie County they have had 321 total cases with 10 deaths. Total. I feel pretty comfortable with sitting in a chair 25 feet away from anyone and sipping a glass of wine. YMMV

I gotta step in these cow patties a defend the little feller G7 here. He's a true 'merican Patriot who believes his government officials and reports what they say. If we call him out as racist aren't we calling out so many of our leaders as racist as well?

Are you suggesting that if people were responsible and follow the rules it would be better? Because that's exactly what I've been saying for days. With irresponsible people no plan will work. Now what? We need people to act responsibly. We need better enforcement of the rules. We need to stop this nonsense that personal responsibility isn't necessary. It's the first step as you just pointed out. It's the irresponsible people who are the problem.

I've been saying for days that people must be responsible and follow the rules. You've been arguing that doesn't work. I'm willing to learn, show me a country that is doing well where the citizens weren't responsible and following the rules. If everyone is agreeing and following the plan and the plan fails it's a bad plan. But currently from what I'm seeing people aren't being responsible and that needs to change. Isn't following rules the first step in being responsible? In the area I'm visiting bars and restaurants have been open for months and cases continue to fall to almost zero. It seems their policy is working. If cases didn't continue to fall its a failing policy and needs to be changed. Certainly we are smart enough to understand not every area has the same problems and solutions. What is necessary during the height of an outbreak might not be necessary when cases drop to low levels. What is required in a city of seven million might not be necessary in a county of thousands.

People should be responsible. With your plan will it work better with people being responsible or irresponsible? Given a choice would you prefer they are responsible or not? Why does your plan fail when people are being responsible?

I'm trying to think of a plan that works better if people are irresponsible and don't follow it. So someone help me out. Why is personal irresponsibility better? I believe the best course of action is a solid plan that people responsibly follow. Masks, social distancing, people not gathering together unless you live together, limit contact with strangers, etc. When cases are declining have limit opening of businesses and limited opening of schools, etc. When cases are building close everything down. But be responsible and follow the rules. Allowing people to be irresponsible is just not a sustainable plan.

I've been saying people have to be personally responsible for days but I keep hearing I'm wrong and it doesn't work. So I'm convinced. I'm on the personally irresponsible bandwagon. I believe being responsible means following the rules that are in place. If the rules state bars are closed. Follow the rules. If they say outdoor bars under these conditions are ok, then follow those conditions. If you are irresponsible and not following the laws you should be dealt with like any other crime. Being responsible you are less likely to spread a virus than being irresponsible. At least according to every dictionary I looked at. But if you think you should be irresponsible, go for it, just not around me. I want responsible people around me. Personally, I think delivery people are a unnecessary risk and irresponsible to use. They are visiting multiple businesses and multiple homes all day long. But I respect that it is a necessity for some people. It's allowed so who am I to complain? Some people think they are safer with a delivery driver. I prefer to pick up my food myself. If outdoor dining is available and well maintained, I'll stay and eat. Less people involved in the process the better.

That small minority needs to be forced into responsibility. Telling everyone else that personal responsibility isn't important is a step backwards.

If people wear a mask are they being responsible? If people socially distance are they being responsible? If people quarantine when feeling sick is that responsible? Should people be responsible or irresponsible? How can you argue against people being responsible and following the laws and doing those things? There are areas of the world that should be shut down. There are also areas that can begin to open with strict rules in places.

Lower where? Globally? Statewide? Country wide? There are areas with zero infections still. I'm traveling in an area with less than a dozen infections over the past three months. Seems low enough to eat and drink outside, fifteen feet from anyone else.

So people shouldn't be responsible? That's still blows my mind. Irresponsible people are spreading the virus. How can you not see that? Be responsible and wear a damn mask. This starts with people be responsible. You can make all the laws you want but if people act irresponsibly the virus will spread. But keep rejecting the idea that if people were acting responsibly we would be in a better place. Keep defending personal irresponsibility.

How few cases before you open up schools, bars, and restaurants?

I don't see a need to bailout companies that can operate safely. I don't get not wearing a mask either. I don't get defending the irresponsible people and adjusting the world for them. The world is opening up slowly with reduced capacity and other adjustments. That seems like a common sense approach. I'm in an area that has seen big reductions in illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths. Gradually reopening business when and where possible is the best course of action. And I still believe beating this pandemic starts with people being responsible and wearing masks, washing hands, etc. Everyone can be responsible for their own actions. But personal irresponsibility seems to have its fans.

Masks, social distancing, hand washing. Free health care for anyone with symptoms, expanded unemployment benefits to individuals. Harsher penalties for people acting irresponsibly.

Or nature. But blaming nature for mutating a virus doesn't get the voters fired up.

What's your plan when six months from now half the population is bankrupt?

I had mine in for some repairs and usually they want it picked up in a week to ten days. This time my service guy said no rush our new inventory is down 80 units from normal with pre sales taking most that are coming in. Plenty of space for storage. He laughed and said the only issue will be the sales guys wanting to buy your unit to sell.