Texsox

You guys are adding more to my stance than is there. I believe people need to be responsible and follow, at a minimum, any rules that are in place. I understand that some of you disagree. I can't change your mind and y'all haven't changed mine. Just please when you are being irresponsible don't come around me.

I've never said that restaurants should be open. I've said if you close them people must follow the law for that to work. How many more must die before people start following the rules? Good question that you need to answer. I believe we need to start following the rules right fucking now or this keeps getting worse. How is not following the rules responsible and solving this pandemic?

So would a responsible or irresponsible person dine in a restaurant? San Antonio Metro Health advised against touching anything a stranger touches. Treat it all as possibly contaminated. How is that a bad policy? Which is safer, you picking up your food or someone else picking up your food and delivering it to you? Adding people, each one possibly infected, is not safer.

I'm really trying. I'm all for passing a law closing dining rooms. What I've been saying is that law only works if Owners responsibility close their dining room. People responsibly stay away from illegally operating dining rooms. Police responsibly enforce the laws. Just passing a law closing dining rooms isn't enough. And I've been in enough contact tracing training to know we need to limit person to person contact. One delivery driver in a day contacts more people than you or I would in a month. It's one of the worst case scenarios in the training and why I will always pick up food orders myself and quarantine all of my Amazon orders. Use this example. A delivery person tests positive. Over the past two weeks they may have touched items that hundreds of other people have received. Who has been in their vehicle and were they wearing a mask, sneezing, etc. Do you see the nightmare? Now check those hundred for how many people they interacted with. Add in they are more likely to economically at risk and unable to take time off without dire consequences. All four of the health officials told us they avoid delivery at all costs.

And delivery. Typhoid Mary should be our warning that Grub Hub etc. is a disaster waiting to happen. Responsible restaurant owners and police will keep the dining rooms closed. If irresponsible restaurant owners leave the dining rooms open, if people continue to disobey the law and visit those places operating illegally, and the police don't enforce the law, it won't make much of a difference what the law is. Viruses don't follow the law.

RIP Van Halen. I was texting with a high school buddy. We saw them in 1979 at the Aragon Brawl Room. Sadly all we can remember are the bathrooms being full and people pissing behind a door. We started the day at our favorite Wisconsin bar (drinking age 18).

Using the pregnant mom example. In this thread if I say pregnant women should be responsible and not smoke or drink I'll be told that doesn't work. So what does work? Women being irresponsible and smoking and drinking? Even with the strictest laws imaginable against it, the problem will continue if women smoke and drink. The only way it stops is when people are responsible. We need rules in place and enforcement because obviously people don't do this on their own. But in the end it's the actions that matter.

My checklist regardless of what's happening always starts with grip, stance, and alignment. For shanks, which mercifully are rare in high school players, I look for being too close to the ball, weight on your heels at address, or feet too wide of the target. I hit on the weight thing by accident. But it's happened to a couple players. They are rocked back at address and then lean forward as they swing. My first try is "You're too good of a player to suddenly develope this. Let's go putt for a while and come back tomorrow fresh." Whatever the problem is usually just goes away if you stop trying to fix it.

Whoa I never mocked anyone for stricter public policies. Prove that. I've said any plan you want is fine but for it to be successful people have to responsibly follow that plan. Stricter is fine but it starts with people following the plan. People following policies - Good People not following policies - Bad It's a simple as that. Personal responsibility doesn't work? Then let's give personal irresponsibility a try. Since you don't agree that we need personal responsibility let's start with what irresponsible thing are you doing to help stop the spread? My point is so simple y'all are trying to make it more than it is. People have to follow the rules for rules to work. ANY RULES. Maybe this example will work. People drove drunk during prohibition. The strictest alcohol rules in the history of our country didn't stop drunk driving. All bars were closed months ago and people drove drunk. Rules are necessary, they are the cornerstone of a society. But for them to really work people have to follow them.

Someone help me understand this. Our policies are failing because people are not being responsible so we really need people to be A. Responsible B. Irresponsible I believe whatever we decide as the next phase we need A. If you believe B please explain.

Agreed. Open just grocery stores and we need people to shop responsibly. Open gas stations and we need people to shop responsibly. Tell people not to gather and we need people to be responsible and not gather. I've never said that just telling people to be responsible would work. That clearly would not work. But believing there is a plan that works if people don't follow it is pure fantasy.

I've assumed Lippert, Furrion, etc are allocating components and doubted that Jayco suddenly decided that Goodyear Endurance should go on all their units if China was still shipping tires. Am I correct?

I think y'all believe I'm saying something I'm not. I must not be clear. Whatever plan you want, actions are what makes the difference. Irresponsible people will cause a great plan to fail. We need everyone from elected officials to Joe Sixpack to be responsible. That's not a policy or plan. It's a strategy to implement whatever plan you want. I can't even comprehend that as any kind of plan and at least in my corner of the globe no entity has that as a policy. We're going to continue to have this pandemic as long as we have irresponsible people.

Exactly. Everyone must be responsible or the system fails. Seems simple to me.

First off I've offered no plan. The only point I've tried to make is any plan will fail if people aren't responsible and follow it. If the police aren't responsible and follow it, it fails. If people won't follow it, it fails. If lockdowns are the plan I believe people need to be responsible and follow the lockdowns. Whatever plan you want, my point will be great, people need to responsibly follow the plan. We're doomed if people are irresponsible.

Will people have to be responsible and follow the next step? And equal treatment to what? I keep saying whatever plan you want it needs people to be responsible and follow the plan.

The key is people following public policy. Having a policy that people must wear a mask only works if people put on the mask. I'm arguing that not only do we need good policy but we need people to responsibly follow the policy. Without people following the policy nothing changes.

Would it be better if the police were being responsible? Would it be better if the people were acting responsible?

And when they don't they need to be held accountable not told that personal responsibility doesn't matter.

I agree. There must be rules and punishments. I say people need to responsibly follow those rules. You disagree and say that fails.

No. But if they change the name to something else, probably. What was the Spanish Flu officially called? Widespread usage calls this Covid, Covid19, or the coronavirus.

It must be we were talking past each other. I felt like I was in this loop Board: People aren't being responsible. Me: Yep they should be responsible. Board: But Tex personal responsibility doesn't work. No doubt there are bad plans out there. But a bad plan with people being responsible is better that a great plan that people ignore. I will disagree with one point, at least how I define being responsible, it should be step one. Because I believe being responsible is wearing a mask, etc and following all the steps that would be in the plan anyway. The plan just sets penalties for non compliance. But that's splitting hairs. If you check Gillespie County they have had 321 total cases with 10 deaths. Total. I feel pretty comfortable with sitting in a chair 25 feet away from anyone and sipping a glass of wine. YMMV

I gotta step in these cow patties a defend the little feller G7 here. He's a true 'merican Patriot who believes his government officials and reports what they say. If we call him out as racist aren't we calling out so many of our leaders as racist as well?

Are you suggesting that if people were responsible and follow the rules it would be better? Because that's exactly what I've been saying for days. With irresponsible people no plan will work. Now what? We need people to act responsibly. We need better enforcement of the rules. We need to stop this nonsense that personal responsibility isn't necessary. It's the first step as you just pointed out. It's the irresponsible people who are the problem.

I've been saying for days that people must be responsible and follow the rules. You've been arguing that doesn't work. I'm willing to learn, show me a country that is doing well where the citizens weren't responsible and following the rules. If everyone is agreeing and following the plan and the plan fails it's a bad plan. But currently from what I'm seeing people aren't being responsible and that needs to change. Isn't following rules the first step in being responsible? In the area I'm visiting bars and restaurants have been open for months and cases continue to fall to almost zero. It seems their policy is working. If cases didn't continue to fall its a failing policy and needs to be changed. Certainly we are smart enough to understand not every area has the same problems and solutions. What is necessary during the height of an outbreak might not be necessary when cases drop to low levels. What is required in a city of seven million might not be necessary in a county of thousands.