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That small minority needs to be forced into responsibility. Telling everyone else that personal responsibility isn't important is a step backwards.

If people wear a mask are they being responsible? If people socially distance are they being responsible? If people quarantine when feeling sick is that responsible? Should people be responsible or irresponsible? How can you argue against people being responsible and following the laws and doing those things? There are areas of the world that should be shut down. There are also areas that can begin to open with strict rules in places.

Lower where? Globally? Statewide? Country wide? There are areas with zero infections still. I'm traveling in an area with less than a dozen infections over the past three months. Seems low enough to eat and drink outside, fifteen feet from anyone else.

So people shouldn't be responsible? That's still blows my mind. Irresponsible people are spreading the virus. How can you not see that? Be responsible and wear a damn mask. This starts with people be responsible. You can make all the laws you want but if people act irresponsibly the virus will spread. But keep rejecting the idea that if people were acting responsibly we would be in a better place. Keep defending personal irresponsibility.

How few cases before you open up schools, bars, and restaurants?

I don't see a need to bailout companies that can operate safely. I don't get not wearing a mask either. I don't get defending the irresponsible people and adjusting the world for them. The world is opening up slowly with reduced capacity and other adjustments. That seems like a common sense approach. I'm in an area that has seen big reductions in illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths. Gradually reopening business when and where possible is the best course of action. And I still believe beating this pandemic starts with people being responsible and wearing masks, washing hands, etc. Everyone can be responsible for their own actions. But personal irresponsibility seems to have its fans.

Masks, social distancing, hand washing. Free health care for anyone with symptoms, expanded unemployment benefits to individuals. Harsher penalties for people acting irresponsibly.

Or nature. But blaming nature for mutating a virus doesn't get the voters fired up.

What's your plan when six months from now half the population is bankrupt?

I had mine in for some repairs and usually they want it picked up in a week to ten days. This time my service guy said no rush our new inventory is down 80 units from normal with pre sales taking most that are coming in. Plenty of space for storage. He laughed and said the only issue will be the sales guys wanting to buy your unit to sell.

No. They aren't. Who should be punished?

People wearing masks, socially distancing, and washing their hands doesn't work? Then close everything. Why have anything open?

I've been an active RVer for about ten years now in additional to backpacking. It's crazy how RV sales went through the roof this past year. I'm wondering what the sticking power will be for new owners.

So my varsity season started this past week. Worst team I've coached in a while. The brightest spot was a freshman that fired a nifty little 75 at a very difficult course. My #3 developed a case of the full swing iron shanks and shot a 127. He's normally in the mid 80s. I was searching for shank cures after using up everything I knew on the front nine.

I was trying to think of the best follow up and I keep thinking was it being shot by a vice president, getting a stain on a blue dress, what are the other "gifts" from our nation's leaders?

Anyone have a robot vacuum? We borrowed one to see if we liked it and it seems like a good concept but this one is a cheaper model and seems to have issues getting stuck and not charging very well. Our cleaning person retired until it would be safer to travel to people's homes and now that my wife and I are both back working full time this cleaning thing needs some automated help.

I hope we can keep this non political. I was just thinking this is maybe the third time in my lifetime that a President has had a health crisis. The first was Kennedy and that wasn't really a health crisis and despite @southsider2k5's best efforts to make me out as older than dirt, I was too young to remember JFK. Reagan being shot was the only other one I could think of until now. I thought there had been another but I was confusing an episode of The West Wing. @Balta1701 made a great point in the Covid thread about our response. It made me think that we have that apparatus in place that is greater than whomever the president happens to be. There is this machine that keeps running with or without a President. It's oddly comforting. I assume we have a playbook and every department in the government follows the script. POTUS is sick, here's the plan. Scramble planes. Secret Service plans. Embassy plans. Military plans. Pence I assume has a plan to follow. I'm imagining a thousand moving parts gliding into place as I write this which will glide into another place as he recovers. It's fascinating that we will never know everything that was happening in the background.

It's what you do at the bar. Be responsible and don't congregate. Be responsible and social distance. I posted several pictures yesterday of adults being safe at a bar. Strangers were never closer than 15 feet without masks. If you can't handle being a responsible adult and following safety protocols stay the hell home or get arrested. But don't shut down a business because irresponsible people may show up. Quit making excuses for irresponsible people. What a whiney argument that people shouldn't be responsible for their own actions, that is should be the government that is responsible. I believe if someone doesn't wear a mask at the grocery store they are being irresponsible and THEY should be punished. If a business is being responsible and requiring masks, socially distancing, taking steps to disinfect after every customer, kicking out irresponsible customers who will not follow the rules, they should be allowed to continue to operate. In fact as a responsible adult I refuse to enter a business that isn't following those rules. As a society I'm so tired of people claiming nothing is the person's fault. That people can't be personally responsible for their own damn actions. If the bar is open you can't ask people to stay 6 feet apart from strangers. You can't expect them not to dance. You can't expect people to actually follow rules. Bull shit. People have to be held personally accountable for their actions. People have to be responsible and do the right thing for themselves and everyone around them. If you can't follow rules you get punished not the people who are following the rules. If someone refuses to wear a mask in a grocery store they should be removed, we shouldn't shut down grocery stores. If someone refuses to stay six feet away from strangers in a bar they should be removed, the bar shouldn't be shut down. But we just keep adapting for the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and shutting everything down. The hardworking responsible people have their lives ruined because nothing is anyone's fault anymore. We can't ask that anyone be personally responsible for their own actions and punish them. No, we have to punish the business owners and responsible people who will wear masks, socially distance, and take steps to not infect anyone else. People need to grow the hell up and be responsible instead of creating a society based around irresponsible people. And look at the pictures I posted yesterday. As soon as someone left the area it was sprayed with disinfectant and shut down while it dried. The owners of that place have their entire life savings invested. They are trying hard to stay afloat AND keep their customers safe. I'll take fighting for them over fighting for irresponsible people who can't be held responsible for their own actions.

It's the government's fault for allowing restaurants grocery stores to be open. There are pick up and delivery options so you shouldn't have even been in a grocery store. Expecting people to be responsible is wrong. We've been like that for a while, but the pandemic has really shined a spotlight on it. We need to allow irresponsible people to set the rules for America and the responsible ones, like you and I, shouldn't be allowed to do anything. ?

Yep, it's actually irresponsible to wear a mask, socially distance, quarantine when ill and responsible to not wear a mask, cough on people, and get into big crowds. If more people would be personally irresponsible this virus would be fixed quickly. I'm not certain what dictionary y'all are using. ?

Which is safer watching your food being prepared and delivered directly to you or blindly trusting your Grub Hub delivery person?

WTF? So if I don't go near anyone it means I don't give a shit about anyone else? If I wash my hands and use hand sanitizer before entering the grocery store I don't give a shit about anyone? If I wear a mask when I'm near anyone I don't give a shit? Being a responsible person you don't want to spread the virus. People acting irresponsible like getting on a crowded dance floor are the problem. I just posted pictures of adults socially distancing, using masks when getting anywhere near each other. Your telling me those people don't give a shit about anyone but themselves? Why not look up the definition of responsible and irresponsible.

When the singer finished his set people took turns dropping bills into the tip jar, they walked in their groups to their cars, and got in line to pick up their cases of wine. People being responsible. They wore masks when getting refills, used the hand sanitizer, no dancing, disposable cutlery and tableware, and everyone kept their wine glasses. But hey, if you prefer Grub Hub and Netflix go for it. But there are adults out there who are responsible, care about others, and not stupid. Why not allow businesses that show they can follow rules open? And this was 25% of the normal crowd. They are scheduling four other pick up parties this weekend to follow the capacity rules.

Here's the difference between Balta and I. If suddenly everyone rushes the singer, links arms, and starts singing I believe they are at fault, Balta, as I understand his point, blames the government for allowing them to be open. Personal responsibility.

Live music. Good food. Nice wine. Does this look scary to you? According to Balta soon everyone will all be piled up together and spreading the virus. I'll let you know. They close at 8 This town has had dozens of cases in six months. If I'm going to eat at home I'll just cook myself.