Texsox

Gooooooooal!!!! No. No?? When the opposing goal keeper believes it is a goal, it probably is. But the ref said no, so a loss.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) That's quite the difference. As I know it, the Duke lacrosse thing stemmed from a hooker lying. In this one, children were raped and the guy responsible was on the PSU campus as recently as last week and possibly still recruiting for the school this year. And I would think it'd take at least a year to set up an entirely new coaching staff and "front office", for lack of a better term. Teams replace coaching staffs all the time and do not take a year off. Universities replace Presidents frequently and keep operating. I'm not suggesting that a crime did not occur, this does seem pretty damn slam dunk. But these are poor kids and you know how poor people will make up anything for money, just read the Cain thread. I believe there needs to be a full investigation and all the guilty people punished. Rushing to punish, which is much different than rushing to protect, leads to mistakes.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) And if a large number of people from the football program are guilty, that would all but necessitate the program being shut down for a while to replace all of them. Agreed. Although I don't think it would take a year to replace a coaching staff. All my comments are based on what we know today. I am trying to learn from the Duke lacrosse case. Many were screaming to close down their program.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 11:13 AM) That would basically ruin all the class that was shown today before the game. Amen. I'm glad they lost.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 06:35 AM) Come on, Tex. I'm not saying kill the program for good. But this thing is a mess. I'm saying IF it turns out that this has been some massive conspiracy where a pedophile has been allowed to use the football program as a vehicle to molest children, with the knowledge of the coaching staff, the AD, the President, etc., then the program needs to be shut down indefinitely, until it can be absolutely assured that everyone that had any knowledge or involvement with this has been weeded out and discarded. I don't care if every other sport at the University has to shut down for a year. No sporting event, no team, no athlete, no fan, no revenue stream is worth risking that anything like this can ever happen again at Penn State University or any other university, for that matter. And I believe punishing hundreds or thousands of innocent people is wrong. It will not help the victims, only create more. You kill the program for a couple years and you will kill the program for much, much longer. Plus do irreparable harm to innocent people. I want all the guilty people punished, so far we're talking four or five at Penn State, but not the innocent.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 06:05 AM) Sometimes life just isn't fair, Tex. If this kind of thing was really being allowed to happen for the last 13 years with everyone's knowledge, it's a sacrifice the innocent are going to have to make. How many knew? Five? Five Hundred? Five Thousand? How many are you going to hurt and how many will be helped? Hurting thousands of innocent people without helping anyone isn't the solution.

Ask yourself why a university wants a division 1 football program. Is it just to allow the program to help itself and not anything else at the university? The D1 program enhances the curb appeal of the university. It enhances its prestige. When Dr. Barry Marshall accepted a position at Penn State, do you think people opened up their checkbooks and made a donation? Did thousands of students dream of one day attending Penn State? Did Marshall appear on TV every Saturday around the state in a three hour recruiting infomercial? When you build a case that the university should drop the football program, you are negating all the good an athletic program is for a university at large and agreeing with those that believe they serve no purpose except to themselves. If that is the case, then every university should drop athletics and focus solely on their academic mission. They gain nothing from an athletic program and risk losing. Why bother? To punish a music student or math major because of the failings of a few people, who are being punished, and who would not be punished any further by the closing of the program, a closing that would not help any of the victims, and extends the list of innocent victims is wrong.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 05:51 AM) Plenty of schools do just fine without a football program. I'd imagine most of Penn State's players received scholarship offers from other schools. I suppose you probably are against jailing or firing any criminal who has to support a family considering the potential trickle down effect. Penn State football---Too Big To Fail. Sure schools do manage without football programs. But this one has built an organization built by the tens of millions of dollars that flows in. So we are talking about hundreds of innocent people losing their jobs and non revenue sports being dropped. Perhaps there is a limit to how many people should suffer because of this. And I won't even respond to the veiled insult Dick.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) I know you're being sarcastic here...but if this plays out like many think it may, there is no doubt that shutting the football program down for at least the remainder of this year, removing every vestige of the staff that had anything to do with this, and starting over from scratch either next year, or perhaps even in 2013, is certainly something that would not be overreacting. If you're talking about a conspiracy that goes up and down the entire staff of this program, which enabled a child molester to continue his predation both on campus at the PSU facilities, off campus with the support of PSU funding, and on behalf of PSU in an official capacity on recruiting trips, then yeah, some 9 years after it was clear this man was sodomizing boys in your facilities, this whole program should be shut down until the horror that has occurred there can be sucked out of every dark crevice and a new program can be restarted that is so f***ing clean, it makes BYU look like the SMU programs of the early 1980's. Would you say the same thing if it was the Boston Red Sox?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) And then take forced kickbacks to the Democratic Fundraising Organization. Oops, I mean to the SEIU. Oh yeah, same thing. WHY the f*ck is the STATE ever responsible for deducting dues for the union, THAT is bulls***, any way you look at it. They should have NO reason to do that. WHY the f*ck is the STATE ever responsible for deducting voluntary insurance premiums, charitable donations, etc., THAT is bulls***, any way you look at it. They should have NO reason to do that. Same thing or different? I have premiums for a voluntary short term disability and hospitalization automatically paid out, a donation to the United Way, and membership dues to a professional organization I belong to.

Couple of things Most people in this situation have kidnapping insurance. Which both helps them if they are kidnapped, but also makes them targets. So while he may not have been making the coin to pay any ransom directly, he was probably earning enough or the team paid, the premiums. There are beautiful places in Venezuela, and throughout Latin America that no one who has been there would describe as s*** holes. One of my retirement options is to Mexico to an area that has less crime than most small towns in America and far less than any American city.

QUOTE (SouthSideTeacher @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) I'm sick. A kid getting raped in the showers ISN'T in immediate danger? f*** protocol. call the cops. NOW.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:27 PM) He's reaching. I wouldn't bother. Just reacting to the suggestion that PSU football be shut down for a long time. I think it is a great suggestion. Close the stadium, send the players out to find other universities, or better yet pay for their own degrees. There really isn't any value to the university at large in having a football program. Best part is once the revenue from the football program is gone, they can finally drop all those non revenue producing sports like baseball, tennis, fencing, and anything that has to do with women. Turn the facilities into something the student body can really use.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 06:49 PM) If the NCAA had any balls, they would find a way to ban Penn State football for a long time. Exactly. The entire PSU should be punished. Every one of their students, the employees, the people who make money off the games being played, they all deserve to be punished. The hotels and restaurant employees, every last one of them will be forever tainted by being a part of this scandal.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:59 PM) Interesting thought I just heard a caller on Boers and Bernstein suggest is that McQueary could have been a victim of Sandusky himself as a youth. I guess McQueary was a decent football player growing up, and he could have run into Sandusky at a camp, or at his game (like the guy who just de-committed did). I think that would at least explain why he went to his dad and Paterno instead of the police with what he saw happening, and also why he wasn't fired. It's far-fetched, but you would have thought the same about the rest of the story if you didn't already know it was true. Great, now the movement to paint the one eyewitness out as a victim as well?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) If the victim had been Paterno's grandson, and Paterno was told that Sandusky was caught "messing around" with him, however vague, how long would this conspiracy of silence and cover-ups have lasted? If the person that was an eye f***ing witness called police, or Paterno witnessed it first hand, how long would the silence have lasted? If anyone above Paterno had called the police . . . If Sandusky choked on his vomit after realizing what a sick bastard he is . . .

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 06:20 PM) Gotta love the Unions: If you're a parent who accepts Medicaid payments from the State of Michigan to help support your mentally-disabled adult children, you qualify as a state employee for the purposes of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). They can now claim and receive a portion of your Medicaid in the form of union dues. Robert and Patricia Haynes live in Michigan with their two adult children, who have cerebral palsy. The state government provides the family with insurance through Medicaid, but also treats them as caregivers. For the SEIU, this makes them public employees and thus members of the union, which receives $30 out of the family's monthly Medicaid subsidy. The Michigan Quality Community Care Council (MQC3) deducts union dues on behalf of SEIU. Michigan Department of Community Health Director Olga Dazzo explained the process in to her members of her staff. "MQC3 basically runs the program for SEIU and passes the union dues from the state to the union," she wrote in an email obtained by the Mackinac Center. Initiated in 2006 under then-Gov. Jennifer Granholm, D-Mich., the plan reportedly provides the SEIU with $6 million annually in union dues deducted from those Medicaid subsidies. “We're not even home health care workers. We're just parents taking care of our kids,” Robert Haynes, a retired Detroit police officer, told the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. “Our daughter is 34 and our son is 30. They have cerebral palsy. They are basically like 6-month-olds in adult bodies. They need to be fed and they wear diapers. We could sure use that $30 a month that's being sent to the union.” According to the Mackinac Center, the theoretical public employer for whom the Haynes' work is the Michigan Quality Community Care Council (MQC3), an entity within the DCH that continues to operate, even though the state legislature has defunded it. Even the MQC3 calls the families hiring in-home health care providers "employers of providers," but these health care providers are also treated as employers of MQC3 when it comes time each month to take dues out of their Medicaid payment and send it to the SEIU. Mr. and Mrs. Haynes, of course, are both the parents (the employer) and the health care providers for their children, but they still lose money to the SEIU every month, despite having no interest in joining the union. They have been arbitrarily classified as state employees so that the union can take money from them. Gov. Rick Snyder, R-Mich., already ended a similar scheme to provide unions with new "public employees" in the area of child care. His predecessor, Gov. Jennifer Granholm, D-Mich., had classified in-home daycare providers as public employees -- a designation that forced them to pay union dues but conferred no other benefits upon them. Snyder's director of the Department of Human Services ended that program. "[We] will stop all funding and, because these providers are not state employees, will also cease collecting union dues,” DHS director Maura Corrigan said at the time. Michigan's state House has already passed a bill to prevent this sort of rent-seeking by public-sector unions, but it has stalled in the state Senate. It sounded so simple in the beginning. Replace expensive home health workers with relatives at a much smaller salary.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 08:44 PM) Awww, how precious. So Barackus the Great gets to profit off of tax payer money on book royalties? What a f***tard. Total f***tard! The people responsible should be fired immediately.

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The point I made this morning when I was talking to my AD was by blaming every bad call on the referee, you shield the players from any responsibility. That leads to sloppy play. The sloppy play leads to more calls against you.

Well shucks, if y'all want some slickster politician who can smooth talk ya, well then Perry isn't for you. You know we already got that. I guess we can just keep that feller and his fancy words that speechwriters come up. But if you want a God honest man for president, one that will occasionally, like all of us, slip up, Perry is still your best option. You know, he kind of reminds me of Reagan . . .

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) Just to drive this home tex, if one of your scout masters told you they saw a boy get raped, and you told your superiors, then continued to see that man around business as usual for years, and then a scandal hit showing that he was continuing to rape boys... people may ask that you no longer hold that duty. And in that scenario, you didn't get raped, you aren't going to jail, you just lost your job. Poor you. You are clearly the biggest victim here. Joe Paterno was the most powerful man in Happy Valley. Without a doubt. Within his football administration was a man serially raping young boys in large numbers, none yet completely known. At some point, he was told about this. No criminal charges were ever filed against this man. The public gets notified. He loses his job. The serial rapist being around is the problem here. All those that knew are tainted. You can't move on without removing that stain. Hopefully, those victims can. But no, I don't care that poor Joe Paterno has to retire comfortably in his old age. He is not the victim here. Good point. And just to drive this home, if you saw a boy get raped and you didn't call police, you just told someone else, then find out the man continued rape boys, will you say, hey I told "the most powerful man in Happy Valley", don't blame me? And Joe isn't the biggest victim, that is a disgusting statement to make and blatantly unfair to even insinuate that I would believe that. What I have said is Paterno is being portrayed as the second biggest villain here, the written wrath against Paterno exceeds that of Sandusky. I see Paterno's responsibility behind that of the GA, the AD, and the university president. Right next to the dad. As I read additional reports from prior to 2002, I am agreeing with his removal. But I really wish the wrath that is being placed on Paterno was instead placed on the eye f***ing witness who did not call police.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 08:47 PM) Can't we agree that's what poor people are for? Depends, maybe to nations fighting a war.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 08:21 PM) haha, what a terrible prediction from texsox BTW, I think we can all agree that Perry needs a teleprompter, just like the savior Obama who doesn't speak without one.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) hasn't Cain's main accuser been involved in like 20 lawsuits over the past 5 years? kind of weird don't you think? I thought there were several more.