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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ May 29, 2009 -> 01:44 PM) he didn't get a f***ing masters in mathematics from Memphis, he plays basketball. This isn't athletic cheating, this is cheating a stupid system the NBA created to punish 18 year old kids for some reason. None of this should have happened because the NBA should never have "banned" 18 year olds in the first place. Kids like Rose would never have gone to 1 worthless year of college. At least we agree it is cheating. You think it's ok. I think cheating is wrong. Best of luck in life.

QUOTE (rangercal @ May 29, 2009 -> 01:40 PM) Considering you have 1.5k posts, you would be correct. Easy for you to sit there in Orlando and not understand my post. CPS is a horrible education. Especially in the mixed race areas. I'm interested in your last sentence. Would you please elaborate? Is it resources, geographic, teachers, students? What causes the mixed areas to be worse than the non-mixed areas?

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 29, 2009 -> 01:10 PM) Another thing that is wrong here is making kids even go to college because it clearly isn't for everyone. IMO, it should be you either can skip college and go to the NBA or you go to college and have to stay for at least three years like the NFL. Rose never should have stepped foot in a college classroom because it just makes a mockery of the entire system. How many times did he go to class? How many times did he actually do his work? Very good point. And to follow up, was it unreasonable to Rose to expect the college to do for him the same as his HS did? And while I believe in personal accountability and responsibility, clearly a hs kid is over-matched in this college academics business. They are some times used and abused by college coaches and universities trying to further their own agendas at the expense of the young person. But it seems to me the solution isn't altering grades, but forcing a system where they can achieve academic success as well. How many resources could have been made available to Rose to actually earn a "C"? If the athletic programs were forced to do right for the student, we'd see the kind of resources necessary so players sho can make millions for the school, can earn a living when they leave. Who was it that robbed a 7-11, in his DePaul letterman's jacket, six months after graduation he left DePaul?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:50 PM) Calling all of these players student-athletes is a sham. I think in a way it degrades everyone's degree from that institution. They should pay these guys and the guys that really aren't there to go to class and get an education, put them in a separate group. Give each school a few spots a year for hired guns. Guys that are there to just play sports. Derrick Rose went to Memphis one semester. he dropped out after the tournament in 2008. They go through all this trouble just for that. Same with OJ Mayo. Then have universities buy pro teams for the revenue. Drop the entire sham.

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) About 10% are in the NFL or transfer, but there's still a 50+% that don't graduate at these places and are never heard from again. Great point. Rock does make an excellent point about the financial benefit that the school receive off the backs of these players. You would think then, that at the minimum, society would be protesting that the players are being cheated out of a college education. After all, for the vast majority, that is what they were suppose to receive in exchange for their work. When grades are switched, and other accommodations are made, at the end of their collegiate careers, they are left with almost nothing but memories.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) Nice to see the two "moral" folks on here casting stones have resorted to making personal attacks. Have at it fellas. I revel in your ability to be completely just in everything you do in your life. Interesting, that wasn't directed at you.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:36 PM) I'm not really sure what you are trying to say there. You want an A in a class because you got an A in another class? I dont see how thats the same at all. These guys got grades or help to get grades to keep them on the floor to continue to bring revenue and attention to their school. I dont see how you would do that for a school at all. And to be clear, the schools should all be sanctioned to at least keep them from doing this in the immediate future, but this is not isolated, for every recruit that doesnt go to memphis, they will go to the next school that puts dollars in their pockets and keeps them eligible to play and develop their game for their career. Once you stop basing grades on the work that is done, what are you basing grades on? If a student passes, they continue to pay tuition. They continue to occupy a dorm. They continue to buy tickets to the football game. You want to give them higher grades than what they earned in English because they can play basketball. Your justification was their English grade doesn't matter for what they are doing. Well my Biology grade doesn't matter to what I'm doing, so give me a better grade in Biology. After all, it doesn't matter.

As I mentioned it is like a bell curve, with the least cheating at the very top. They have programs that already attract the very best of talent, and can almost pick and choose. Their need to cheat while maintaining a top program is less. The next level are recruiting from the pool that have issues. That is where the incentive to be dishonest and cheat is the greatest, and the watchful eye of the NCAA and others, is slightly less. I do not believe I said there was no cheating, but perhaps some people here had talents that negated them having to take a reading class. If you believe that cheating is ok, well that says a lot about your character.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) You arent really, you are giving their tutor grades basically. If there was a way to just have them at the school without taking classes, Im sure they would be all for it. They arent there for the education like the rest of us. This is their English grade, but it really reflects their basketball ability? Hell, I received a 4.0 in English classes, just give me an A in Kinesiology because it doesn't matter.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 29, 2009 -> 12:10 PM) The people who worked for their grades got an education because they needed it for their career. Classes to these guys is literally like taking a gym class for the rest of us. Do you really think the fake grades these guys got are going to prepare them for a career outside of basketball? These are also the same kids that are bringing in millions of dollars to your school so that you CAN get that great education. They are hired guns, nothing more. If anyone on here went to a school with a good sports team, this is happening there right now. Why even give these guys grades then?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 29, 2009 -> 11:57 AM) There's probably some shenanigans involved at just about every school, Illinois included. What has been discovered about Rose at Memphis is most likely the tip of the iceberg. If the only things illegal were a grade change, someone taking his SAT and $2600 for his brother, Memphis actually must be fairly clean. There seems to be a bell curve. Some of the very smallest programs are rarely caught, and seem clean. The very top programs, can also be fairly clean. For example, does Coach K really have to cheat at this point? It's the programs and coaches in the middle. The pressure to get to "the next level" is immense.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 29, 2009 -> 11:41 AM) The problem is that everyone won by Rose going to college. Memphis won because its program got recognition and went to the Championship. NCAA won because Rose played in the NCAA and therefore presumably brought in more fans, viewers etc. NBA won because they didnt have to draft Rose right out of High School so he got 1 year of development free. The NCAA wants these players in Division 1 programs, they dont want Rose going to a Juco and then the NBA. So if it wasnt Memphis, it would have been somewhere. I think thats why Rose is some what being let off the hook, because the NCAA knows this is what it takes to make sure the the top players go to big time NCAA programs. So true. As a society, and especially sports fans, now accept cheating as ok, or even necessary. Sad. Actually earning what you get is no longer necessary. Other kids in that class actually worked for their grades, but that is only necessary of you are not athletically gifted. f*** the regular students. Sorry, but when cheating is condoned, we all lose. It erodes at the foundation of our education system and our society.

QUOTE (rangercal @ May 29, 2009 -> 01:08 AM) anyone dogging rose should just go back to their cubicles at their 9-5's and take some more orders from their respective bosses. Too bad someone didn't alter their transcripts so they wouldn't be taking orders, they would be giving them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2009 -> 08:18 PM) Excellent. Now you get why it is even dumber to be pissing away tax dollars into the auto industry under the guise of "high paying jobs". I've been trying to wrap myself around the current concept that high paying jobs are bad in almost every industry. It seems sad that Americans gave up on high paying jobs, at least for the "other guy".

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2009 -> 08:49 AM) The media outlets who think Ozzie is a clown are the out of town ones who are too stupid to realize that they are tools in the game of motivating his players. Ozzie is very calculated in his meltdowns, you do notice that they never happen when things are going good, right? It would be more accurate to say he "acts like", which is about the same with most people. How they act and how the are, often times can be different.

QUOTE (OilCan @ May 28, 2009 -> 10:28 PM) Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad... Roy-Os best days are behind him. Yes indeed, but what needs to be considered is this; are his current days a significant upgrade from the current days of the rest of this staff? A declining Thome (for example) is a upgrade from most other DHs in baseball. (To pull an example out thing air) The danger, and what you are probably alluding to, how fast and hard will the decline be?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 28, 2009 -> 08:49 AM) But there are people with spiritual beliefs who think you can live without food and water. We know they are wrong and that their child will die just as we know that these parents are wrong and that their child will die without treatment. No one is saying its 100% successful--that's not the point. The point is that not getting the treatment is 0% successful. You asked for a non arbitrary reason for the courts to step into one and not the other. That is what I am addressing here. The overall concept, nothing specific to this case. I've never heard of a spiritual believe against food and water, but as I mentioned, the rational for stepping in for nutritional neglect is scientifically we know that 100% of people who abstain from food and water will die. We cannot attribute that same certainty to any medical procedure. Treatments are not 100% effective or 100% without risks or side effects. So at best we can say that the odds of survival drop from X% to Y%. I do not believe it drops to 0%. There have been just enough non medical cures, especially ones the medical community does not recognize, to tell me 0% is not correct. That opens up a gray area, which is, IMHO, the reason why nutritional neglect, and it's solution (feeding tube) is justifiable in all cases (Terri Schiavo), but should be looked at very carefully with medical neglect.

Woo Woo! Double Senior Discount Day! Tell us the story again about driving to the '59 series? We'll pretend you aren't repeating yourself. Happy Birthday Doc!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 15, 2009 -> 07:01 PM) The courts are ordering the parents to follow the doctor's advice, so, no. Give me a non-arbitrary explanation for the courts stepping in for nutritional neglect but not stepping in for medical neglect. We know people will die without food and water. We also know that not all medical treatments are 100% successful or without side effects.

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 27, 2009 -> 08:17 PM) I'm sorry if I don't find an "empathic", racist, and socialist, judge who had to "struggle" to where she is now as qualified. This is nice, she quoted a socialist in her college yearbook: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/20...t-yearbook.html "I am not a champion of lost causes, but of causes not yet won." Yeah, do you know the cause Norman Thomas was fighting for? Yeah, it was for America to be be socialist! I highly recommend reading this article I am posting. You can't really say it any better than this: http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowel...pathy_in_action Wow. I can't count the number of quotes I have referenced without ever delving into the background of the person. I may be a communist, mass murderer and not even know it. Kudos to you for being so careful about what quotes you use. That takes a level of dedication beyond what 99% of the planet would do.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) NK has no idea how the rest of the world lives. Their have been millions of people starve to death there, and there are still people starving every day in high numbers. Their average height has actually fallen to inches shorter than their SK counterparts because of the perpetual malnutrition that goes on there. You can trick people into fighting for many reasons, religion is usually the most effective, but not having anything to eat is the quickest way to get people to drop your particular cause. Agreed. Fighting for food, water, or oxygen is the greatest incentive of all. Those are the three primary motivations for everything we do.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ May 26, 2009 -> 10:05 PM) Should've hired some Mexicans from across the border. It probably would've been cheaper and more durable. Ahhhh, if it was built in Texas, rest assured it was built my Mexican-Americans or Mexican nationals.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 26, 2009 -> 09:28 PM) The problem is that unlike Saddam, Kim Il-Jong (or whichever son you believe will be the successor) may believe his own cult of personality that he is invincible and may be willing to send thousands to there deaths without even caring about crippling the country. Im not sure how strong the North Korean army is, I dont think anyone is. I just dont think that attacking North Korea is advisable. I believe he would send tens or even hundreds of thousands to their deaths. Which makes him having a nuke a bit worrisome.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 26, 2009 -> 05:29 PM) And the idea that we have to pay countries NOT to develop that technology is equally ridiculous. Not ridiculous at all. We bribe countries all the time to be our friends or to conform with certain behaviors. That is why a large chunk of our foreign aid is spent where it is. For example we could offer to protect country X from any invasions if they use our brand of nukes instead of building their own. Our collective wealth is one of our best defensive, and offensive weapons.