Texsox

The billboard could have been Don't Believe in God? Be Good For Goodness Sake and promoted "goodness". Obviously they are making an anti-God statement. As long as groups are able to make a pro-God statement, life is good, just, and fair. I do not remember making a choice to be straight but I do remember making a decision to not experiment with a gay lifestyle. Is the reverse also true? I don't know and I doubt it really matters.

street vendor roulette on the Philly Steak. Make sure there is a jar of Cheese Whiz close by. Any attempts to make them citified corrupts the process.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 10:35 AM) That's the American Spirit, right there. Looking over their other product, bacon salt, I'm placing an order.

There is a certain amount of intolerance on both sides. I would prefer a world that people could share their beliefs over a world where all beliefs are considered bad. I would prefer agnostics and atheists that are trying to promote good for goodness sake over no promotion at all. However, this tries to do more, it seems to be promoting two things at once, good for goodness sake, but also, to ask people to give up faith in God. Now I guess that in fairness, asking people to believe in a higher power is also asking them to give up believing one does not exist. Now imagine the power of believers and non-believers joined together in a message of good for goodness sake. That would be consistent with most belief systems around the globe, and would do the most to promote harmony rather than discord, of goodness over evil. In other worlds, would have done the most for what they on the surface were trying to promote. And I see no problem with the ad being on a bus as long as, for example, someone could place an ad wishing everyone a Merry Christmas!

QUOTE (YASNY @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 09:10 AM) Well let's see here. You have Democratic controlled House and Senate. Obama pushed this when he met with Bush the other day. Obama is by definition the leader of the Democratic Party right now. How could anybody possibly think this is Obama's bail out? Because despite some of his shortfalls, Bush has always stood up and done what he thinks is right. For example he has stood up against his party on immigration issues.

I just started thinking that for primitive camping, this may just have a place. I've carried baccos for some stuff, why not bacon as a condiment?

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:59 AM) says shes from Kansas City. Models like that travel the world . . .

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:55 AM) For Italian, I wouldn't do Italian Village. That place is about atmosphere - the food isn't that good, IMO. There are a metric ton of good italian places downtown - call the Hilton concierge (as was noted earlier) to recommend one of those. There is a famous one that is excellent, just north of the NW corner of Millenium Park, right on Michigan Ave, and the name is escaping me. And for a tourist making their first or occasional trip to Chicago, atmosphere may tip the scales over quality of food. I can take you to an awesome Mexican feast in Reynosa, Tamps. Mexico about 30 minutes from my house. You will be scared to death, and I'll be a little nervous, but the food is amazing. Or I can take you to a really cool place, great service, great decor, and the food will be ehh, OK. Touristy stuff.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:39 AM) No, Tex, things haven't changed. Scientific fact and theory are two separate things and always have been. A fact is an observation. A theory is an explanation. Things do not become accepted theories until they are rigorously peer-reviewed, but there's no evolution ( ) of observation -> hypothesis -> theory -> fact/ law. Theories stand on their own and are one of the strongest parts of our scientific knowledge. At this point? Sure. In the future? Maybe not. we probably could have saved some time and posts if I was clearer in my earlier post.And I am certain we will unlock the mystery. Probably not in my lifetime, but eventually.

Then I stand corrected. I thought the scientific process was to develop a hypothesis, design an experiment to test that hypothesis, publish the results and methods in a peer review journal, have others recreate the experiment. A good theory would spark further research and eventually, through this repetition of results, something would be considered scientific fact. I guess things have changed since I was in High School. And I have no squabble with evolution. I think it is part of our creators plan. It's the origin of life that takes faith, no matter what you believe.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 08:05 AM) Didn't we do this one already about 10 pages ago? 10 pages ago? Rookie Change your settings. My Setting > Options > 50 Posts Per Page All the lunacy, Half the time!

QUOTE (Soxy @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 10:32 PM) I don't know probably entrees around $15-20 sounds right. She's not a big red meat eater, but she really likes poultry. I was thinking the Italian Village, but I haven't been there in ages (and I think it's a ways off). Anyway, she likes Italian/Greek, Thai, Indian, Mexican. It's been fifteen years since I've been to Italian Village. I'm getting home sick. Theater and Italian Village

QUOTE (farmteam @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 10:46 PM) The exit you're referring to is Tower, it looks like it's the Skokie Lagoons, somewhere between a little south of Tower to about halfway between Tower and Dundee. I knew she wasn't in Texas, you know, just sayin'

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 07:57 AM) Again, "primordial soup" is not evolution. That is abiogenesis. (this is going off on a complete derailment of the original thread topic) We have plenty of direct evidence for evolution. There are many facts of evolution. These facts go into the larger theories of evolution. These facts and theories are well-evidenced and supported by different fields of science (geology, genetics, cosmology, etc.). Scientists have witnessed and reproduced many aspects of evolution. We have countless amounts of direct evidence. Acceptance of scientific knowledge or theory does not take faith, because faith is believing in something without evidence. Scientific research is the exact opposite of faith. Origin of life, how it started. Faith or fact?

There already is a mostly volunteer program in place called Exploring, a coed Boy Scout program for youth 14-20, which allows interested youth to work with various civil service departments. We have Posts here attached to police, fire, Border Patrol, FBI, and other agencies. So far no sign of communism being spread and it does not cost the government one penny. They do ride alongs, help with traffic and crowd control and various other tasks that free up the officers to perform more meaningful work that requires higher skills. Along the way they learn a lot and hopefully have a little fun.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 06:53 AM) It's still advertisement. The Jesus fish is a pretty tame example, but plenty of church message boards, billboards, and bumper stickers tell me that I'm going to suffer for eternity if I don't believe what those people believe. I wouldn't support or endorse what this group did, but I still don't see what is so offensive about it. It doesn't seem insulting or demeaning to me. Einstein did not believe in God in the Christian sense, ie a personal God. I don't think Hawking does, either. When they speak of "God", they're talking about the "beauty of the universe" or something along those lines. Some Einstein quotes (http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm): A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein) I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. (Albert Einstein) Two things. First, the Big Bang and the creation of life from non-life are not part of evolution. Big Bang is in the field of cosmology and the creation of life is the field of abiogenesis. Evolution is its own separate field. Second, saying evolution takes faith is incorrect. Faith means belief in something in spite of an absence of evidence. Evolution, both theory and fact, is one of the most well-evidenced and well-supported fields of science that we have. It takes no more 'faith' to believe in evolution than any other part of science, and it is certainly not upheld without evidence. Usually for something to be considered a scientific fact, it involves being able to repeat the process. So far we have not been able to repeat a primordial soup where material magically comes together and create billions of different and successful life forms. Perhaps evolution is also a higher being's process and we are discovering that. You have faith in a process no one could have seen, no one has reproduced, and with no direct evidence, only indirect. And as you mentioned, just because the majority believes it, it doesn't make it true. Perhaps I misunderstood the scientific process of making hypothesis and testing it and of peer review before something becomes fact.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 13, 2008 -> 06:58 AM) Once this program gets established in whatever final configuration it does, how long until it gets somehow transformed into Obama's National Civilian Security Force that he has previously talked about? You would have a structure in place of people registered with the government for their community service, and this could just be another one of those things to meet those obligations. http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/il/article...al_service.html programs like this exist all over the place. in more Marist type regimes like Cuba. Basically, what Obama is talking about is creating a Committee for the Defense of Liberal Ideology and Political correctness funded by a half trillion taxpayer dollars. National Security for this crowd is not about stopping terrorists from killing our children. National Security means to teach our children to understand the terrorists and their motivations so that our children can learn how to live their lives submissively so as not to offend the sensitivities of the very sensitive America haters. Their version of National Security is to force you to act for the common good of society and not in your own best interest. Since this goes against human nature, the half trillion dollar "Civilian National Security Force" will have to force Americans to change their nature and create a new citizen that is self sacrificing and collective in nature-an ant-like new man, like Che's and Fidel's new man. Much like Bush's Faith Based Initiatives did for Republicans and Christianity. But I can see where you believe Obama will be able to do this so much more effectively, and for the detriment of the US. We are powerless to stop him. STOP GIVING TO THE COMMUNITY OR OBAMA WILL WIN! Alpha, PUT THAT STRAY DOG DOWN OR YOU WILL CATCH COMMUNISM.

Colon is one of the ballsiest pitchers that has played for the Sox. He is the anti-Javy. Big game guy. I'd be fine with him in the rotation.

Ouch. I smell a two part episode of Phil or Oprah. There has to be a way to make some serious cash at this.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 10:28 PM) so? Couldn't it be his girlfriends myspace page? Since most of his buddies on the forum started calling hoax, I'm guessing it was a hoax, but real photos. I am starting to feel bad for that girl. As big as that got, I'm willing to bet she eventually saw the thread, and that is sad. Funny as hell, but sad.

QUOTE (Soxy @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 10:21 PM) My boss hates pizza so that's out. That explains so much. What's the budget? How far do you want to travel? For a taste of Chicago, and since pizza is out, I'd be thinking either ribs or a steak.But that leave syou out so we need vegetarian as well.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 10:12 PM) Well we certainly have set the bar embarasingly low. That is the important lesson learned for 4 grand? This program just gets worse in my eyes the more reasons I get for it's implementation. What if they show up late, slack and get the grant, what does that teach them? Maybe that they need to join a government union. HEYO! Maybe working for $40 an hour to do government approved charity work is teaching them valuable life lessons they'll need as a Democrat. I withdraw my concerns. (now I am just messing with you) Not requiring anything sets the lowest bar possible and is one nice step on the path to government dependence. And yes, you are probably correct, volunteering and giving back to the community is probably a Democrat ideal and wanting to get paid fits more the GOP. And for that I am proud to be called a Dem. I've volunteered in sports leagues, PTAs, PTOs, raised a lot of money for different charities, cleaned up miles of beaches, lakes, and roadways, I've protested for human rights and worked in community pantries feeding the hungry and now work for a charity. I see how these efforts have helped communities and helped those that volunteered much more than those that sat on their ass and accepted their government check like they were entitled.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 09:56 PM) A majority belief doesnt make the minority wrong. Nor does it make the minority right. It's a matter of faith. And actually, since we cannot recreate the big bang or create life from a primordial soup in a laboratory, a belief in evolution also takes faith.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 12, 2008 -> 09:58 PM) What are we teaching them? Scholastics sure aren't it. Get that down then go with your cutesy explanation for adding this extra service. Since when have you ever been against a handout? this a first for you on the board. Not a first. I have always been in favor of community service. I've been in favor of some job training to get public assistance. And many more ideas like that. The simple skill of showing up when you are suppose to, completing a task, keeping track of the time you helped, are all excellent job skills that believe it or not, are lacking in many entry level employees. Responsibility and work are great lessons. I've championed balanced budgets and the cut backs it would take to get there for years.

It would be nice. It would answer a lot of people's prayers. And a lot of people's