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QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 06:49 PM) The letter "C" is the Roman numeral for 100. I've watched Cub fans be the most loyal anywhere in sports, and that is laudable. But it's only been in the past few years, perhaps as the Big C loomed, that the fans became restless and the team started being a perennial playoff team. So I cannot condemn them for taking a more aggressive approach and demanding a winner now. I also try and remember these are the exact same fans we high five at Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawk games.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 08:15 AM) Fundamantals need to addressed up and down the organization. Situational hitting, bunting, hitting the cutoff man, thinking ahead on defense. These are organizational weaknesses from top to bottom and I hoping that Buddy Bell changes things for the better. We just have to look to the strongest program in our division for conformation.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 07:54 AM) What these guys are showing by leaving is a lack of the concept of "Team". Or another way it can be interpretted is "f*** you guys, I'm going home." For a young player like Broadway to take a stance that can possibly be interpretted in either of these ways is a huge mistake. Logan probably doesn't have a future with the Sox, but as of that moment, the Sox were his best chance and what kind of message does that send to other organizations? MacDougal? Who gives a s***? I do not disagree at all, I am certain their some of their AAA teammates would have killed for a chance to sit in the clubhouse. But if the roster had been set before leaving Chicago these guys probably would not have even been invited. Plus we really do not know how the offer was made. Was it "sorry you guys had to make the trip to Florida, but Oz didn't put you on the playoff roster. See you in Spring Training. BTW, we feel bad you made the trip so if you want to just kind of hang out and watch the games from the Clubhouse, you can. No biggie, it's up to you". Some are acting like they flew these guys to Florida knowing they would not be on the roster and the club asked them to stay and they refused. I can't remember a club talking about their AAA guys being invited to sit on the bench or hang out in the clubhouse before. So what message does it send? We don't really know, because we don't know how common it is to fly in your AAA guys to be a posse for the MLB team.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 07:30 AM) there's a reason it's around - it's because people can't let go of the past and it "looks good". it's been statistically proven to be useless. counterproductive even. personally i'm ok with doing it on no outs with a runner on 2nd to get him in sac fly position. but otherwise giving up the out to just HOPE that another guy gets a single (any other hit would have scored him from first) is just kind of ludicrous. Last April, stats also proved that the Sox were a third or fourth place team this year. You can use the stats or you can have the stats use you. The better managers know when each is appropriate. But if the team could be solely guided by stats, there would be no need for a human manager. Just have a computer spit out the probabilities and go from there.

You can't teach speed. It's not how, it's how many. (cuts both ways, for bunts and home runs) Balance works There is a reason bunting is still around. The whole point of offense is to score runs before the third out, not just to avoid outs. (splitting hairs I know)

If there was a slight, it was unintentional. It was McCain that went over to Obama and introduced his wife to him. Both men are very good at the pleasantries and manners that come with public office.

QUOTE (Cubano @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 07:40 AM) The regular cubans like me are trying to leave too. I am glad I took the first opportunity and packed. Thank USA for being so kind to me and my fellow cubans. It has helped that the Cuban population that has immigrated has been smaller, less geographically diverse, better educated, and with better marketing than Mexico. It is interesting we do not mind a Spanish speaking Cuban Doctor immigrating, but he damn better hire an Anglo gardener instead of a Mexican. We want those jobs.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) I'm against it unless you have an emergency override attached to it. In case James Bond needs to borrow your car?

QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 06:10 PM) Given that Broadway and Logan share the same clubhouse as Buehrle before and after the game, and likely speak to him there as well, having that extra support is certainly helpful. It may not be enough to get Mark to throw another no-hitter, but there are positives to teammates demonstrating that they care about more than just their paycheck. If the support that teammates gave each other didn't matter, they wouldn't be high-fiving each other after home runs and giving shaving cream pies to guys who make game-winning plays. Showing up to the clubhouse on your day off is simply an extension of that philosophy. After thinking about it some more, my comment that they already have a posse of 24, do they really need an even bigger posse, cuts both ways. It probably isn't that much more distracting having guys not on the team hanging around. Especially those that were on the team before getting cut. I still think it is over rated and believe they were only in Florida because the playoff roster wasn't set. If the roster had been set, they would have had the option in Chicago after the Twins game to fly to Florida or not and this would never have been reported. You can observe all you want but until you are actually there to play, it's all theory. Danks seemed to have managed pitching in the playoffs without spending time on the clubhouse couch watching, and Javy has seen it before and still sucks in big games. Maybe some believe now that he watched Beurhle, Javy is better prepared to play in playoff atmosphere, but I doubt it. And by Spring training it will all have been forgotten and each player will have to earn a roster spot based on talent and performance on the field. Still a dumb move on their part for not sticking around. But I don't think it was that big a deal. They were cut from the roster and went home.

I need the "stop the email, phone, or text, while totally pissed off at the ex-wife" filter.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 05:26 PM) we should put the reverse of that on here on late Friday and Saturday nights they should automatically be posted here.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 04:05 PM) I Break With Thee. . . I Break With Thee. . . I Break With Thee. . . And then you throw dog poop on their shoes. Steve Martin

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/10/07...s.ap/index.html I kid you not.

The story says the players that made the trip to Florida, I wonder why every player didn't make the trip? And, if they were not going to be on the roster, why were they told only after the got there? It seemed that the team made the decision in route or after the arrived in Florida. Kenny in Chicago After Twins Game: Hey! We made the playoffs! We're going to Florida! Logan, Broadway pack your bags! It's Playoff time!! Kenny in Florida: PYSCH! Here's the couch! Enjoy the game! Remember the cokes are for the players so you can't have one.

Knowinghow to gracefully leave a relationship, job, internet message board, etc. is a great life skill that will pay dividends. You never know when you will be swimming back upstream and having grace and class will help.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 03:32 PM) No, what's "silly" (and that's putting it nicely) is your comparison of Joe Sixpack in the upper deck to a young player who wears the same uniform, has a locker in the clubhouse, and has been in the same starting lineup as Buehrle and Junior. Like mom and dad (and unlike Joe Sixpack in Section 534), the players in the starting lineup actually KNOW these young players and benefit from their support. They often spend six days a week fighting with them for a common goal. Support from those close to us (in one way or the other) makes all the difference. So Buerhle does pitch better if he knows Broadway is on the clubhouse couch watching him and not on his couch at home? If that is the case, then those guys should be there, I agree. I just don't think Buerhle really cares where Logan or Broadway are. I see Broadway and Logan more like this . . .

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 02:37 PM) How bout sticking around to see how you man up under pressure? If only it was that easy, Javy could do it.

http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/one.html Still the best. RIP

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 01:00 PM) and they will score points next spring. You know with Oz, he just may pick someone with a worse spring training who stayed, over someone playing better but who left. We'll see who here agrees when that happens Cheers

I have to go. I agree that there are some good reasons to have a bunch of minor league players hanging around. I hope I also planted some thought that there are some reasons to not have a dozen minor league guys hanging around. I added all the reasons I could think of on a scale, and decided it wasn't any big deal if they wanted to leave. Some quotes I was thinking about, but never worked in "I'm treating this like any other game" (so what are the AAAA guys learning) "The playoffs are different, lots of distractions, more reporters, team officials, crowds, etc, around" (why add more) This thread will now die with me gone

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 12:14 PM) In the way you phrase it, it does not help for them to be there. But, it helps down the road in that it helps the players to connect. It helps to create a cohesive team when the players are there to support each other. It may not help Buehrle pitch better to have Logan in the dugout, but I guarantee there are plenty of guys who look at Logan next year in spring training (if he's there), and think, "there's that POS that didn't even stick around in the playoffs." Great point and something I did not consider. Add that on the side of having 40 guys in the clubhouse. But think about this, does it detract from the cohesiveness of the 25 guys who were selected to be on the playoff team to try to bond 40 guys, including 15 who are not on the team for the playoffs and whose playoff roster spot they lost to? Which follows my point, the focus should be on winning today, not Spring training when a fourth of the playoff guys will not be around anyways. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 12:34 PM) If its such a distraction, why are guys called up every September? Those 3 should have hung around, but they were probably too big league to do so. Whatever. Their careers will be really short and they will regret their decision. To play! They are called up in September to gain some MLB experience, sell some tickets for teams that are out of it, gives their clubs a chance to see how they have developed. Lots of great reasons. Why doesn't every team max out on September call ups if the important thing is sitting in the locker room? Playoff teams especially tend to limit how many they call up. I'm not saying there aren't some damn good reasons for having every minor league player hanging out in the clubhouse. But I guess I'm the only one that sees a cost in having so many unfamiliar and extraneous faces in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 11:47 AM) Team support is the bottom line and the guys that went home apparently don't understand that. However, there may be more here than what we are reading in this story and the more I ponder it the more I just have to think we need to step back and not get to critical yet. Other than Broadway, who amongst them is really in the picture for 09 anyway? I agree with everything here. But the question is, does it support (help) the team by having a dozen extra guys hanging around when you aren't even on the team? Each player has 24 other teammates right there on the bench, who are on the roster, preparing, and sharing the same experiences. But someone that isn't enough, they need some of the AAAA guys on the bench and in the clubhouse, whose only role is ass patting? Unless someone offers how having 35 supporters is better than 24, and why Buerhle needs the support of Logan to pitch better, I'm just not too excited about those guys leaving. And again I understand it could in some way help Logan and whatever team he may be playing on if he ever is on some playoff roster. But I still am not seeing any value to Buerhle and the team's goal of winning.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 11:33 AM) The clubhouse couch time is just during the game, and a lot of players go back to the clubhouse during the game. Why do they go back there? This goes to the point I was making. I do not believe Dye rushes into the clubhouse during the game thinking where is Logan and Broadway? I need a crowd back here, there are not enough people on the bench! Let's have a party! Having an extra dozen or so guys just hanging around has the potential to distract from the goal at hand. I see some value to (for example)Logan, but none to Buerhle.

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 11:22 AM) If this were a serious "im gonna f*** this guy up" kind of move... I'd agree. If he took a s***, and used the s*** as paint... and then painted "cubs suck" in s*** on the guys garage... I'd be more upset. However, this seems like a playful poking match between neighbors. It seems light hearted, no damage really done... I applaud the creativity. Exactly, both guys put some time, coin, and effort into it.

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