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QUOTE (Heads22 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) You'd face major resistance, it'd just never happen. I know, the proposals have been around for 40 years. Summer schools are already setting record attendance as kids try to get a head start on college. So it is happening, it just isn't required.

QUOTE (BobDylan @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) Change your locks, hide the weapons. She's comin'. Call your provider or look at your phone bills. The bill should list the source. It just lists the total text messages. I've tried "Stop" and "End" as commands, but that hasn't worked. I'm not getting charged, but sometimes I like to sleep late and the "ding" of a text message waked me up. I'm an old man, don't be messin' with my sleep.

BTW Dick, if you have known someone for a couple years, like him, thinks he's a good guy, and he makes one mistake, do you dump him and think he's a terrible person? You seem to be forgetting these guys have been together for a year or two.They will have a long memory about these guys getting cut and leaving, but have immediately forgotten everything else they have done. That this also trumps anything on the field. But OK Wasserman has made his career and Broadway et. al. careers have ended. Cool.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 11:25 AM) They disrespected their teammates. If it wasn't a big deal, Farmer and Stone, a couple of guys who played in the major leagues wouldn't have gone on and on about what a mistake it was. Farmer and Cowley wouldn't have mentioned how it irked players and management. These three obviously have forgotten what a lot of players always remember. Wearing a major league uniform is a priviledge. I ask you, what good does it do to go home? What good for your career does sitting on your ass do? I'm telling you, and you aren't buying, the guys who left had their status with their teammates go down a couple of pegs for not wanting to be with them. As I have said at least a dozen times, it did not do any good for those players. I believe it did not do as much harm as you believe. Do you really believe that AJ gives a rat's ass about the AAAA guys and if they were sitting in the clubhouse? Too bad the rest of the Barons didn't buy tickets to show their support.

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QUOTE (Heads22 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 10:53 AM) Of course, in Tex' day, things were much different. [begin grainy sepia-toned film] "Why hello, darlin'. If it wouldn't be a heap of trouble for you, would you be interested in walkin' with me down to the General Store? I need to get some picklin' jars, but it'd be mighty nice to sit down and have a cherry phosphate with a charming young lady such as yourself." [/old] Should I have said I got me half a football field, wanna spark my Maserati and chill?

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 10:57 AM) Nope. Both teachers and students need that time. A minimester would lack the focus that you'd want. No one would want to be there. School calendars in other countries have shown there isn't anything magical about 11 weeks versus 7 weeks off. If humans truly needed that much of a break from their jobs, we'd all have three month vacations instead of two weeks. Imagine a bricklayer or accountant can work 50 whole weeks a year, but teachers can only work 38? And, knowing teachers outside of school, almost all are working jobs during the summer. They are already teaching summer school, or taking seasonal jobs. Even with the current schedule there are kids who will not want to be in class. NSS, I guess I should have been clearer, there is such a pressure for various college tracks, where to earn the distinction you need 4 years of math, science, and English. 3 years of a foreign language, two years of fine arts, two years of PE. Then health, and a couple I can't remember, that left 3 open electives.

And it is a fact of politics that every campaign attracts an element that candidates would wish go away. Who would the racist, nazi loving, n***** hating, voters turn? I'm not going to attack McCain for that, nor will I attack Obama for the wack jobs he attracts. Or are you suggesting that Obama is part of a vast Muslim extremist plot to get him elected then he will transform the United States into an extremist Muslim country? Much like Bush was able to do with his Christian Faith Based Initiative during his candidacy? Because obviously a Muslim Initiative would be even easier to pull off than a Christian one in this country.

During Hurricane Doly I signed up for a plethora of weather related text messages. I have one lingering alert that tolls in 7:00 am every day from 401. I can't for the life of me remember who is sending and replying with stop has not turned this one off. Any ideas? I've been to weather.com accuweather,com and wunderground.com and it doesn't seem to be from them.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 10:32 AM) Eh, I think its important for kids to play in the summer. Even high school kids. I'd rather see fewer electives. My kids were down to 3 electives over 4 years.This would give them (1) three month break and (2) two month breaks.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 09:17 AM) I've said, I don't know how many times in here... high school curriculums should REQUIRE a full class on basic finance in order to graduate. It staggers me that many students graduate high school not even knowing how to balance a checkbook, or knowing the basics of what a mortgage is. I agree, but when you look over what is already required, it is tough to fit in more required courses. Low math and science scores? Add required courses. Fat kids? Require more PE. Teen pregnancy? Sex Ed. My solution is longer school years. A four week "minimester" in June or August that addresses stuff like this. It would be required during two of the three High School summer vacations. Health, Finance, etc. Or complete a private program approved by the school district. It could even be on-line.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 10:48 AM) lets switch a few things around. Say a McCain staffer hosted a community meeting/pep rally and some of the people who were INVITED (not just attended, but they were INVITED) were unsavory? Maybe a few people with strong ties to white supremecy groups, or something along those lines. Just a yawn? I can guarantee you that within 5 minutes of it being printed or broadcast anywhere, AHB would have a post on here about how bad this is for the McCain campaign, followed by 30 more posts from you, Balta, Kip and others trying to downplay AHB's enthusiasm, but reiterating that it sure looks bad. I just can't believe that Obama's ties and connections to some pretty bad people like Ayers, Dorn and others doesn't bother you guys in the least. I can understand that it may not change your mind, but how can it not give you pause, just for a moment? I don't think you have been reading NSS and some of the others you mentioned. They have been extremely fair in this regard. Specific to NSS, he has been much more equal than some of the hardcore GOP on the board such as you pards.

I wonder what KW could get for him in a trade for MLB talent at the deadline

In rereading through the thread I think I've been really unclear. They should have stayed, no doubt Attitude at this age is important Ability is always more important, even more at this age. Rookie 90% Ability and 10% Intangibles HoF Veteran 50%-50% Of the 10% Intangibles, ass patting and cheer leading is 2%. Hustle, working out, is 8%. A year or two as a teammate playing together is way more important than one decision when you are not on the team. Cheering is overrated. Playing together and winning together bonds the team. You don't get that watching on a couch. Rookies need the support of veterans way more than veterans need the support of rookies. The playoffs are about winning, not about tryouts, and bonding. They should have bonded long before this. Players talk about the distractions of the playoffs. 25 men in the club house is normal, 35 is not. It's a long off season. How they prepare for Spring Training will be a better indicator. Logan works his ass off and Wasserman comes in fat, edge Logan.

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QUOTE (almagest @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 11:43 AM) If she makes eye contact, and smiles, and generally looks approachable (e.g., arms aren't crossed, doesn't turn away from you), just go say hi. It's not as complicated as some people think. ^^^ Psst, a little secret. Woman are human too. And in more ways than not, just like you. In some ways, women have it harder than men in this situation. A woman asks a guy out and too many guys think it's basically an invitation for sex. It has gotten much better through the years, but still most woman feel they need to sit back and try to get some clueless guy to ask them out. So when Mr. Clueless uses some lame pick up strategy, she is somewhat relieved he finally asked her out and agrees. Meanwhile he thinks it was his incredible pick up line and using his wing man. She has a very good idea about yes or no before you even open your mouth. So the simpler the better. Ask and shut up. Pick a non threatening micro date. In college it is as simple as "I was heading over to the Student Union, wanna grab a coke?" If she says yes, ask about home, pets, vacations, siblings, and other simple common stuff. If she says no, she is busy, smile and ask her if that is "busy, don't ask me again or busy, I'd like to but pick another time". Smile, either way. Not everyone is interested in everyone. And over and over again, women have told me they appreciate honesty, and manners above all. Not the "yes those pants make your butt look fat" honesty, but the basic human quality that links with respect.

One of the things I had hoped McCain could achieve was distancing himself from Bush and not allowing the dismal performances of the Bush Family Dynasty (BFD) hang around him. So far it seems he hasn't done that. In the end, Bush may have cost him to chances at President.It also may have stopped the BFD, And I thought Jeb may have been the best of the lot.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 09:23 AM) That's right. There are a lot of guys who have hung around a long time, not because of playing ability but because they are good guys who work hard, and are a good influence to the rest of the roster. As I've stated, I don't want any 3 of these guys to ever pitch for the White Sox again, and I would have said this before they blew off their teammates and instead of staying in Tampa, which would be the easier thing to do physically, they went home. As you said, there are plenty of bad attitudes in sports, but they guys you mentioned have something these 3 don't. A lot of abilility and a history of performance. If Manny Ramirez had Alex Cora's abillity and still was the Manny being Manny guy, he wouldn't be in the major leagues. You have to earn your stripes. The 3 who went home haven't. As far as getting their work in during the playoffs, that's really no problem. There's plenty of time. These guys get to the park sometimes 5 or 6 hours before the game starts. So I ask you again, how important is this attitude stuff compared to ability? You did say that Broadway has to show a lot more ability to get a roster spot over someone like Wasserman. In other words you would take Wasserman's attitude over better performance from Broadway. This post seems to be more along the points that I've been saying. And even though there was never a mention that any of these guys had a bad attitude while playing, did this one instance seal their fate? That other players will not look at the previous year or three, instead judge based on just the playoffs? Because what you would be saying is a year or two as a teammate is not as important as one playoff series when you are not on the team. Perhaps there is some merit to that statement.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 09:20 AM) I'm looking at this from two perspectives. First, what would I have done if I was in Lance Broadway's situation. It certainly wouldn't be the choice he made. Second, if I was one of the veterans, I would have been doing some head shaking as well. Also, looking at things from my current job situation, you have to show that you are a team player to a certain extent. I pull my weight, look down on those that don't and appreciate the others that do. Agree, I would have stayed. No doubt about it. I can't think of a good reason to leave. Hell the party would have been fun. Getting ready for next season could wait a couple weeks. If I were a veteran, I'd would not give these guys a second thought. There is a core, I doubt the vets really cared. Guys hang out based on a number of factors. It's not like all 30 would be at a hotel bar screaming to "play some f***ing Journey". Some of the guys have been together three or four years. I doubt they lack for friends on the team or really need the support of Logan. They had a job to do and were doing it. Do you really believe, for example, that AJ is thinking "damn I wish Broadway stayed around, I could have used his support"? AJ had 11 other pitchers he needed to pay attention to. One instance is not going to make or break their reputation as a teammate. The guys who left already have an impression with their teammates from their time actually as teammates. If they were good guys before that, I doubt it will change much. If they were already viewed as asses, this will just confirm. Talent always wins out. Hey it's "just Manny being Manny". And think about relationships in sports. How much did the Bull players and Bull fans dislike Rodman? Remember he shoved Pippen into the basket supports. Boom! They are playing together and all is forgotten.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 08:59 AM) If it comes down to him or Wassermann, a guy who stayed, I would say a lot better. I think KW probably has an idea to send Broadway away this offseason. Clubhouse chemistry is often mentioned today as well. Once Cabrera finds a new team, you will hear how disruptive he was to that particular aspect. Another thing to keep in mind as these guys left, is that teams can change their roster with eligible players every series. Tampa changed theirs. What if there happened to be an injury or 2 and the White Sox advanced to the ALCS? Guys that could have been throwing with their major league coaches and working out before games would have to come back from home if they were added to the roster. It was an idiotic move to make, especially considering the thin ice the 3 guys careers are basically on. MacDougal can't throw a strike. Logan has trouble with strikes and homers, and Broadway can't get AAA hitters out. If you think a guy like AJP will ever let these guys forget how they disrespected him and the rest of the White Sox by going home, I think you're sadly mistaken. The team already told these guys who the first alternate was. Which was Wasserman and specifically asked Wasserman to stay. They gave the other guys a choice to stay or leave. Throwing, working out? No mention of that at all. And why would the coaches, during the playoffs, move their attention away from the guys on the roster to spend time with AAAA guys who would not be playing? Seems distracting to me. Tryouts in the middle of the playoffs? No Thanks. Cabrera will find a team. I guess that shows how important attitude is compared to ability. Interesting you would take these guys with the problems you outlined, if they stayed. I believe they have to prove it on the field, not in the locker room. But you fill your roster with guys who but who can pat asses and cheer their fool little heads off. I'll take the guys who can play.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 08:50 AM) No, I don't think it was BA's performance at all. There were countless times that he should have been in CF late in the game to replace Swish/Jr. that he wasn't. If he would have been inserted more often defensively, he would have gotten a few more PA's on a regular basis and very possibly would not have been quite so rusty facing live pitching. As for Broadway, he might make the team, but he's going to have a short leash when it comes to attitude. As I said, he might get the chance to prove himself but he's made it that much more difficult for himself. .225 in 365 ABs in 2006 .232 in 181 ABs in 2008 I think that is limiting his playing time more than attitude. And look who he replaced. I thought Rowand had a great attitude and was well liked by his teammates. Yet, KW felt he could break that up. As far as Broadway, I agree with your assessment. I just don't think it will take much to overcome any of this. Perhaps less than a day in the locker room. There was no mention of a bad attitude prior to this, I can't believe one act, especially after being flown to Florida to get cut, will linger. Plus, I just have seen some pretty crappy humans playing all sports because they have ability. (T.O., Pacman, Bonds) At the end of your career you may be able to squeeze out another season or two based on attitude and intangibles (Griffey, Maddux), but at the start of a career, you have to be able to play. And players are too transient. Reading the other threads, despite this wonderful supportive, bonding experience that happened during the playoffs, we want a fourth of the players gone by next year. Why, if this is so important, don't we want them together next year?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 08:41 AM) Comparing these 3 with the Frank Thomas situation is absurd. Frank wasn't coming back no matter what. KW hates him, and he was hurt. These are guys that still need to establish their place. Going home doesn't help that. They are in the doghouse, and once you get in a White Sox doghouse, its difficult to get out. The White Sox are a baseball TEAM. Those 3 may not have been on the roster, but the organization which includes the other players still considered them part of the TEAM. Too bad the players didn't feel the same way. I have a feeling they will regret it. Again, How much better will Broadway have to pitch than someone else to make the team?

Basically I agree with you Yas. But once again I ask, How much better will Broadway now have to pitch? If he is 2-1 in Spring training with a 4.3 and someone else is 1-2 with a 5.2, does Broadway have no shot? You don't think Anderson's situation was more his performance on the field? I find it hard to believe that hitting .235 and being "supportive to his teammates" is better for his career than batting .285 and not talking to them.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 10, 2008 -> 06:44 AM) There were just a lot fewer of them. I've always loved that line. A lot fewer. He has a little fewer, but she has a lot fewer.

As VP, we better not let her be in charge of Troopers Hey! Look! She's younger than me, religious, and conservative! What the hell else do you want?