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QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 1, 2008 -> 07:12 AM) ok, I just have to... do you even know how to use your mailbox? I keeeeid, I keeeeeid. I remember from my youth. It's that thing out front with the bricks. Actually, I think the check is being direct deposited. I don't want the government to know what I look like, but they might as well have access to my bank account

QUOTE (rangercal @ May 1, 2008 -> 08:56 AM) Knight changed it to Players instead of athletes yeah, I understand but when it comes time to compare a pitcher from 1908, a hockey player from 1961, a football player from 1985, and a basketball player from 1995, athleticism seems to creep into my thought process.

I am a little surprised at the make up of my list. Overall, I always felt basketball players are the most athletic, with hockey players close behind. Yet, I think I have more football players than any other category.

Basically its a snatch and grab with a walk. They will have a cart for any long stretches to avoid anyone getting uncomfortable. If the director doesn't clue you in, have everyone on one side start on the same foot, one time we had a little issue with being out of sync and kicking each other until we found a rhythm. Sorry for your loss.

I do not think it is racist. I think long lines at the polls is a mistake. I think long lines at the DMV to have ever American photographed by the state is a mistake. I think this is a solution looking for a problem. Stopping voter fraud is an admirable goal. But doing so at the expense of legitimate voters while ignoring the biggest source of fraud, absentee ballots, is political grandstanding and pandering for votes. Now I have to go check my mailbox for my stimulus check Bush Woot! Gop! there is some pandering I really like.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 05:23 PM) I thought that I'd edited out that Sox guy in my reply. I know who he is. I was giving you a hard time. As with all these lists, it is always weighted towards recent nominees.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 10:28 PM) No, you can actually drink until you die, its called alcohol poisoning and you dont necessarily choke on your own puke. That argument can end here. We both agree that its impairing to the user and you shouldnt be driving or operating or anything of that sort, I would NEVER claim that it doesnt impair you. Basically if we are going to legalize and regulate any "drug" for the purpose of altering someone's mind, for relaxation or social reasons like alcohol, cigarettes, or even for medicinal purposes like vicodin, Marijuana has by far the least side effects, long term damage, and total danger of impairment. Alcohol's main dangers are the damage to the body long term, and the threat of actually overdosing. Marijuana has no addictive effects, has no danger of overdose, and the long term health effects are much less than other regulated substances. I never said it should be legal for all consumption, but if we are categorizing drugs that COULD be legal and regulated, it is probably the least damaging to us, with some actual positive effects. I have said many times that you cannot OD on marijuana, and that marijuana is a pretty mild drug. You build a great case to end the sale of alcohol in this country, but the liquor, hotel, advertising, restaurant, and bar lobbies are too powerful to make that happen. But when someone drives high and gets in an accident, I blame the pot and you say it was some other cause. You even agree that it does impair you. But how can you not agree that if it impairs you, it is the cause? Guys have heart attacks while having sex, that doesn't make sex all bad. Guys drop dead while weight lifting, running, playing hoops, that doesn't make those activities bad. Why is stating that some people have died from smoking pot and being impaired such a big deal? Oh well, it was fun as always. See you next November to have the same semi-annual thread

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 06:58 PM) I know its a great example of h ow black and white your arguments are. If you thought of guns the same way as weed, guns have the potential to cause harm to someone but its the person who causes harm, not the gun itself. Your argument would be the simple use of a gun is wrong because it may have the possibility of hurting someone in a bad situation. Any way you slice it there have been zero reported deaths in the history of the US directly related to marijuana use, it may have contributed in a bad situation, but you cannot die simply from the use of it. Again, if someone is so drunk they can barely get behind the wheel of a car and dies in an accident, I say alcohol was the cause, not a neck fracture from hitting the windshield, not a stupid decision they made. If someone is baked and gets in a car accident, you claim that pot did not cause it. You claim someone can die from drinking. If they are really drunk and aspirate their own vomit, choking to death, you would claim they died from vomiting, not drinking. It makes no sense. You can be high, but if something bad happens, never ever blame it on the pot. Pot is the perfect drug, and nothing has ever happened to anyone because of pot. If that really makes sense to you, great. And once again, I am in favor of decriminalizing pot, I've never said it was more dangerous that anything, or was so terribly bad for you. But I am realistic to know you shouldn't be driving or operating machinery when you are high. Your reflexes are much slower and accidents are more likely to occur. If you are high and get in an accident you would have avoided if sober, then common sense tells us that the cause of your reaction time slowing is the cause of the accident.

And to be fair, it cuts both ways. I have known a few guys were are mean, nasty, stupid, and dangerous drunks, who are mellow and funny when stoned.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) I sent you a PM already regarding your list. Got it, Isiah and Joyner are off. A Cub and a Bear are on. And I'm guessing that Sox player you were unfamiliar with will get at least three votes

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) ITALIAN. BEEF. SANDWICHES. /homesick the only place I could get a good one closed.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) Yes, that is true, but for some reason, you only typically hear about the Democrat problems. I wonder why that is? Depends on where you live and which party is dominate. Down here it's usually the GOP trying to get a toe hold. All the Dems are related, so they behave. Or perhaps it is that media bias . . .

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 03:27 PM) In order to reduce confusion, I'm limiting it to the big 5 sports. Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey, and Soccer. Fair enough and I think will make for a great list! I will replae jackie Joyner from my list.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 04:07 PM) Are you a gun owner by any chance? Or a gun advocate? Yes to both. Great example, imagine if I argued that guns do not kill anyone. People bleed to death, but the gun didn't cause them to bleed. And if they make a decision to shoot themselves, it isn't the gun that killed them.

Some of the cornerstones of our society is we believe (correctly I believe) that the vast majority of people are honest and we value the rights of the people who are honest over the possible law breakers. Innocent until proven guilty. Freedom from unusual search and seizure. It is often times said we would rather 10 guilty men go free then one innocent person convicted. When someone has registered to vote and proven at that time they are eligible to vote, we then need a reasonable way to determine of that same person votes. Matching signatures seems like it should be good enough. Also, using Kap's theory, which I like, that all politicians are the same, what little fraud there may be, is balanced between the parties.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 03:10 PM) So, I adjusted it. rangercal, chwrock, you'll have to change your lists.. sorry. GREATEST SPORTS PLAYERS WHO PLAYED FOR A CHICAGO AREA PRO TEAM Deadline is still May 18 for your lists. PM them to me. Thanks! I'm not trying to be a problem, high school and college teams count as well correct? But individual sports like Track, Boxing, NASCAR, etc. are out.?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 02:42 PM) UPDATE... DNA tests show that the cougar killed in Chicago was indeed the same animal as the one who leapt over a farmer in southern Wisconsin (I was right on that one). And further, it is apparently originally from a population in the Black Hills of western South Dakota (I was wrong on that one - my guess was the closer population in northern Minnesota). Probably, it was also the one spotted in North Chicago and then Wilmette. That cougar travelled a thousand miles or so to get to where it died. That's interesting in itself, but its also important in that the appearance in WI and IL does not appear to signal a significant range expansion of the species south from Canada and Minnesota, but instead appeared to be a single aberrant animal. Linky. Wow! I didn't see that one coming. Thanks for updating.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 02:52 PM) You are right, it could be a contributor to a death, as well as many other factors, cell phone talking, radio changing, being a woman. This is all very true, but its not the drug that killed the person, its their decision to perform an activity while impaired, its their own decision and their own stupidity, not the drug itself. But you can also die from alcohol alone, you can literally drink until you die, which is what separates it from Marijuana. I see you added. If the substance you take alters your judgment or mood, thereby affecting the decision, I don't see how you could give the substance a pass. XYZ drug makes you hallucinate, you make a decision while hallucinating to fly, you die while jumping off the roof. I would have to blame the drug. Now if you made the same decision while on a drug that does not impair your judgment, then I would agree.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 02:52 PM) You are right, it could be a contributor to a death, as well as many other factors, cell phone talking, radio changing, being a woman. This is all very true. But you can also die from alcohol, you can literally drink until you die, which is what separates it from Marijuana. I agree. There are a lot more dangerous activities. You can't smoke cigarettes until you die, but there are a few lung cancer victims that would probably agree that cigarettes caused their cancer and death.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 02:38 PM) Nobody said zero health risks, not everything is black and white buddy. There are medical risks with certain baby bottles, driving in heavy traffic, living in a city, driving your car, riding the bus, touching anything on the subway, McDonalds, Wendy's, cold medicine, you name it. And NOBODY has died from Marijuana. Maybe they smoked and jumped off a balcony, well they died from stupidity and most likely hitting their head on the ground. If you can clearly find a case of someone smoking so much weed that they died, then you can build a case, until that happens you dont really have a case. That would be the same as saying that you can die from using a cell phone since people die from driving, walking, operating boats, skiing, etc while talking on their cell phone. So there are no drunk driving fatalities? Drunk drivng never caused a fatality? Because based on your defintion, that is what you believe. The rest of society understands when you are impaired and die in an accident, that impairment, caused the accident.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 02:29 PM) I've been to the hospital due to pain killers, but never marijuana. Just my 2 cents. most painkillers are much stronger, more serious, drugs. Relatively speakers, most marijuana is a very mild drug.

Not certain where this thought goes, but did anyone honestly think the team would not have a three game losing streak? There will be a few more, and probably a few longer ones.

QUOTE (CWSGuy406 @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 02:40 PM) This coming from the guy who cited a person falling off a balcony deck as an anti-marijuana argument? That's awesome. I understand you gotta have an opinion on everything, though -- kind of par for the course type of thing. It appears as if my response confused you, it happens some times when people are reading quickly and only see what they want to see. I was not making an anti-marijuana argument. I disagree with Rock's argument that no one has ever died from marijuana. Obviously you agree with Rock that no one ever dies as a result of being high. That is your choice to believe. I think y'all have your heads in the sand. There are medical risks with every drug, including your beloved marijuana, if you think that is an anti-marijuana argument, so be it. But y'all crack me up believing there are zero health risks to marijuana. Happened last year on South Padre, all his buddies said he was high, he tested positive. Rock claims that no one has ever died from marijuana. Just pointing out one family that would disagree. And for the record, I have stated I think marijuana should be decriminalized. We spend way to much money on enforcing marijuana laws.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) you didn't show any ID to register to vote? They matched my signature

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 01:16 PM) Could you have thrown a worse pitch to a guy with 2 outs, nobody on first and the RISP standing on 3rd base? Why didn't they go with the offspeed out of the strikezone and see if he'd chase it? Now they're IBB Cuddyer to get to JASON KUBEL, are you serious? Why not put Morneau on to get to a hitter that's less capable than Kubel, Cuddyer? Terrible managing. Something out of the strike zone is what he should have been looking for.