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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) Better than Viciedo. I'm really not sure about that. Kemp is really, really bad. Besides that, you don't trade in a Hummer to get a more expensive Hummer and then cite gas mileage as the reason you did. Either way, it's going to be bad. Bottom line, I'd much rather go with Viciedo over Kemp or Hamilton next year.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:16 AM) Does anyone honestly think they're going to pay Mike Stanton $200-250 million? C'mon...there's just no precedent for it, other than Albert Belle, and I think that was actually to make a point to other teams about the dangers of signing that kind of contract, which luckily had the escape clause. Do I think they are going to pay Stanton that? No, because I think some other team will do that instead. But do I think they would? Absolutely.

Kemp is an outfielder in name only. He is not good out there.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:00 AM) That first offer is solid. No way I trade Eaton. However, I only do that deal or any deal for that matter if Hahn can agree on an extension with Stanton before said trade. I do not believe the Marlins have ever been a team to give a re-signing window to the new team. They do not want to be put into a position where they attempt to trade someone and then have the acquiring team end up backing out because they couldn't reach an agreement. In that instance, it kills all the leverage the Marlins have because it's really hard for that player to go back without being disgruntled. If the Sox were to acquire someone of the ilk of Giancarlo Stanton, they'd have a pretty good idea that they'd be able to extend him.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) 3rd and final fantasy team. .5 ppr. 14 teams QB- Foles RB- Gio Bernard RB- Toby Gerhart WR- Calvin Johnson WR- Pierre Garcon TE- Vernon Davis Flex: Mike Wallace Bench: Lamar Miller, Riley Cooper, Terrence West, Johnathan Stewart I'm less bullish on Garcon this year compared to last year, and Mike Wallace is a high risk, high reward player in PPR leagues. Still, for 14 teams, it's a solid team. I might be one of the few, but I like Gerhart this year in PPR leagues. Not that I think he's going to be a really good player, but that I think he can clean up with checkdowns and maybe a couple garbage touchdowns.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:50 AM) Yeah, but they look like a sub .500 team, that can't be ignored. I can see them going 7-9 this year. They went 12-4 in the toughest division in football last year. They're going to be missing a few defenders, but they were missing like half of their offensive weapons last year and still started 6-4 (with two of those losses being a 10-9 loss to Carolina and 23-20 to New Orleans in New Orleans), and then they went out and added more weapons on offense again. I think you're nuts. I have the 49ers winning the division.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:50 AM) Then by that barometer, Adam Eaton's just as valuable as Mike Stanton, almost. I wouldn't disagree. I'd probably give up a bit more with both of them to acquire said elite talent, but contractual status means a lot. I mean, compare Anderson/Hawkins/Danish/Montas and Eaton/Hawkins/Danish/Montas for Stanton. Which feels like you are paying way too much and which feels like a fairly solid offer?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:46 AM) You can't trade a draft pick for a year. How do you get around that? Argue special circumstance, the Astros are dicks, and then subsequently lose said case.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:46 AM) If we said Top 25, then that makes him close to an ace or #1, since there are only 30 teams. Then you have the Mariners (Felix and Iwakuma), A's, Dodgers (Kershaw, Greinke, Ryu), Giants, Braves, Cardinals, Tigers (Scherzer and Price, not to mention Anibal Sanchez), etc., with at least three guys you'd put ahead of Quintana. For most a lot of teams, Quintana would be their ace.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) It's not the metrics' fault, it's his actual defensive "ability." He is a really horrible fielder and I'm convinced his bat will never come around. The sooner the Sox move on, the better. I think you will have to deal with him for at least another year.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:34 AM) Stanton's an elite player, a superstar, one of the top 10 talents in the game today and still young. That's fine and dandy. He's also 2 years from reaching free agency and he's going to get a mega contract. Jose Quintana is under team control for another 4 or 5 seasons at a very cheap rate and he's putting up a 4.5 WAR season. Their value is similar.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 05:25 PM) Like to see Mitchell up. Don't see the point of danks. Sox seem to believe that it is their obligation to have an OF who can't hit as 4th OF. does not compute

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) In the post steroid era, .250 with 30 homers is a star. Especially if he can stay patient enough to draw a few walks. If he walks in 8% of his plate appearances instead of 5% in that situation, he could be a .250/.330/.470 type of hitter.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) When he is thinking right and right center, he is so much better of a hitter. The guy is so damned strong he doesn't need to yank the ball towards the LF foul pole to hit homers. I honestly think he has better power oppo, then he does to LF. If someone could get through to him, they would have a star on their hands. The problem is, I don't know if anyone ever gets through to him. I'm not sure if he'd ever be anything more than a .260-.270 hitter, even at his peak, because it seems his hand/eye coordination is fairly weak, but there's enough talent there that he could hit 30+ home runs and make it worthwhile. He looked good last night, but it seems that he'll look good for one game and the next 5 be terrible. I agree though, if he focused on just hitting the ball to right field, you can force guys to adjust and when they start coming in, then you get the quick wrists out to hit bombs out to left.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:03 AM) You know what? You're right, for some reason I was thinking it was only his first full year back. But he really did have most of 2013 (though at 130-ish IP), so this is (mostly) his second season back. He should have been better by now, injury-recovery-wise. I mean, it goes back to our discussion at the trade deadline - unless someone is willing to eat the whole deal (or most of it), it won't make sense for the Sox to trade him. They aren't overflowing with depth in the minors for starting pitchers and it doesn't make sense to pay Danks to pitch for someone else. I still think swapping him and Edwin Jackson makes a lot of sense.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 05:37 PM) I'm bullish on Gillaspie but his defense is subpar. Give him some LF time. Find a right handed hitter and we'd have a killer platoon and a 4th OF who can actually hit instead of a Wise/Danks type Gillaspie is slow as hell and, given that he has no experience out I can't imagine how he'd be anything other than a trainwreck out there.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 09:05 PM) Joshua is getting thrashed here, maybe for good reason, but I do agree with him on something. Danks is doing exactly what you'd figure, which is what Peavy did after his injury year too. The real test to see if he's back is 2015, and I'd be even money he's significantly better next year. This is Danks's second year back from surgery though. Peavy was absolutely fantastic his 2nd year back from surgery. At one point do we conclude that Danks's talent has changed and he's no better than a #4 starter?

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 12:12 AM) I absolutely want them to wait until next year's Super Two status to pass. I've been wanting that all along, however, if there plan was not to call him up in September, then I don't like the aggressive promotions. Should have left him in W-S the entire year with a start in AA next year. I don't worry about Super 2 status nearly as much as I do the extra year of control. If they keep him in the minors for 3 weeks, they control him through 2022 as opposed to 2021.

I was really impressed with Noesi. It was one of the first times I got to watch him for an extended look, and it seems like everything he throws has movement. Other things I noticed: -Jordan Danks really does read balls well off the bat in the outfield. I have no problem with him as a 4th outfielder -I really like Sanchez a lot. Good swing plane, approach, and a nice short swing. He's also got tree trunks for legs. Just looking at those things, I think he can be a 10-15 homer guy eventually -Viciedo is still country strong, and I think that alone is going to get him another chance next year. He's such an enigma at the plate. -I really liked Taylor's swing at the plate but his approach was pretty poor. Every hack was trying to hit the ball as hard as he could. Still, he reminds me a bit of someone like Craig Monroe. -Semien looked more confident, but his timing gets off when he switches levels. I think he just needs extended playing time at the MLB level and a lot of his issues will sort themselves out. I was also impressed with his range, hands, and ability to quickly get the ball out. That throw to try and beat Schaefer was obviously not good.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 04:32 PM) I think Quintana is overrated, I dont see a number 2, I see a 3/4 starter. What do you do when the market overvalues your assets more than you do? You work the market to your advantage and you make a move. I think you are vastly underrating Jose Quintana. I think it was beautox who made a comparison to Andy Pettitte, and frankly, that's not a bad comparison. And Andy Pettitte pitched very well for a very long time. You don't trade a guy who puts up numbers like that because you feel he's overrated. The stats say he is valued properly as a #2 starter statistically and he's being paid insanely well. Frankly, if you trade Quintana for prospects, I feel like you may as well trade Sale and Abreu too. Quintana is probably the 3rd most important player (and, frankly, 3rd best player too) on the White Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 03:56 PM) Seth Lakso ‏@SethLakso 1h Hahn made it clear that Rodon's case is different from Sale's. Said with Sale there was a playoff race and a need. Not so this season. read: we feel that Carlos Rodon is absolutely capable of pitching the majors at this time but we do not want to start his arbitration clock this early because then we lose control of him and with Scrooge McDuck as his agent, we feel it's best to maximize his time with the Chicago White Sox by calling him up some time after opening day of next season.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 03:18 PM) ref free agents signing, do you not think other teams will be doing the same thing? I think this point gets overlooked a lot because it's so obvious, but this is why free agent signing isn't optimal. You have a 30 year old in Nick Markakis who could legitimately get anywhere between a 1 year, prove it sort of deal or a 4 year, fairly high AAV sort of deal, and anywhere in between. Note that those do not include the possibility of a QO which will hurt his value and remove a number of teams from his bidding as they will look to acquire someone else who does not cost a draft pick. Due to the complexity of the free agent market and having difficult evaluating it at this point in the process, it's hard to count on free agents. We had a few people on here indicating the Sox were going to be in the Hunter Pence sweepstakes too, and willing to bid a significant amount, until he re-signed with the Giants on a monster deal. They were going to be in on Brian McCann (and I think, either directly or indirectly, Hahn even mentioned his name) until the Yankees gave him a mega deal. If you trade, you can typically work with 1 party and worry less about others. You pick up a little more certainty (both in terms of what it will cost both player and financially) and predictability in the trade market in exchange for giving up players you have for control. The Sox have favored that market a little more in the past. It's going to be an interesting offseason, perhaps just as much if not moreso than last year.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 2, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) We really like 1/2 PPR in my main league. What do you all make of the Indy trio of WRs? I like Luck this year but I think Wayne, Hilton and Nicks will all eat each other out of any big time value. I like TY the most out of those guys and really wanted to draft him, but he went a little before I made my next upcoming pick. I still don't like Nicks as he's just too streaky for me (and I think, depending on his numbers and injuries, could see his playing time cut into by Da'Rick Rogers). I think Wayne will be a little slow in getting back, plus he's aged a year on top of it. BTW, based on that one article where the guy outlined Gordon's case to appeal, I picked up Josh Gordon for Tim Wright. No harm in rostering him for a bit, and if it's going to definitely be a season long thing, then I can drop him and not worry about it.

It's also a convenient way to say, out of Spring Training next year, that he "still needs some work" and to then have him called up on May 1st (so as to maximize service time without it being obviously gaming the service time loophole).