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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) If is the risk every team takes every year. If you don't have to, why would you? These are far riskier than others too for so many reasons.

This help? http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/draftday/rules.jsp

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) Like it or not the Sox have assembled much of their core to go around Chris Sale already. A second round pick does little to maximize the franchises best asset Chris Sale and his contract. That second round pick maybe useful to a post-Sale White Sox. This method of thinking makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. "He probably won't help so just get rid of it." That's absurd. FWIW, Addison Reed was drafted in the 3rd round, make a cup of coffee appearance the next year, and was the closer about 24 months later. Yes, he was a reliever, but the fact remains the same. That pick can be extremely valuable for the White Sox in the very near future.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 12:11 AM) No one cares about what he did at Birmingham. I care about what he did in Winston-Salem, which was over 228 plate appearances and wasn't good (.670 OPS). He made our top 10 for good reason, but he's got major question marks. I'll admit that I had him lower than anyone else in our poll, 13, because of his rocky adjustment to higher levels. If I had to do it again, I'd have him around 13-15.

Source: FanGraphs -- Jake Peavy, Ervin Santana, Ubaldo Jimenez Source: FanGraphs -- Jake Peavy, Ervin Santana, Ubaldo Jimenez Peavy has always been a better pitcher than those two. He cost less both in terms of finances (2 years, $29.5 mill versus 4 years, $50 million) and assets (no draft pick versus 2nd round pick).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 10:56 AM) Rumor has it Santana and Jimenez are going for less than Garza. Peavy was $29.5 million for 2 years. I always liked Peavy, but there are plenty of detractors on this site. Right now with the comp picks and competitive balance picks, that pick is #43 in what the Sox head scout says is not a good draft, top heavy with HS players. If Santana and Jimenez pitch the first half like they pitched in 2013, there would be a lot more attractive young players available for them than the #43 pick. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 10:40 AM) Again, the guys signed can be flipped for already developed players, or create an opportunity to flip someone else for players who are farther down the road in their development. Unless you want a 7 or 8 year rebuild, it is something that needs to be considered. Would you rather have A. Garcia or a second round pick? This is a loaded question and is not accurate at all. You aren't going to sign Jimenez or Santana to a 2 year deal worth $29 million, it's not reasonable to expect them to be as valuable as Jake Peavy, and it's not reasonable to expect the Sox to trade them. You are essentially saying that Jimenez/Santana are equal to Peavy by stating this. If they come out and put up ERAs over 5 - which they are both fully capable of doing - then you are looking at a $15 mill a year albatross of a contract plus no 2nd round pick plus no prospect coming back versus $15 million a year that is NOT spent plus a 2nd round pick. State it like it is - the possibility of a acquiring a prospect while still spending money and the loss of a 2nd round pick versus the guarantee of acquiring a prospect in the 2nd round plus the money not spent. Personally, I am taking the latter option, especially given the amount of pitching the Sox have that is MLB caliber at the moment.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 10:24 AM) What the hell is with people's obsessions with Jake Elmore? I don't get it. The guy is not a Major League caliber player. I'd say the odds of Elmore getting a roster spot over Davidson or Garcia are slim to none. He was put on waivers and then let go by the Houston Astros. I don't think people grasp that the worst team in the entire major leagues did not want this guy on their roster.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) So 2 years from now, a guy who supposedly was too young for high A ball last season, should be ready to contribute to winning in the major leagues or he basically can be considered a career minor leaguer? That's crazy. As I stated, maybe they make it to the major leagues, but contributing to winning is a little different. 2020 I think is beyond fair. If Courtney Hawkins is up for a cup of coffee in 2 years, you would honestly be surprised? Being a significant contributor in 4 years may be a bit much, but you are going to know within 4 years how you view a prospect and expecting a cup of coffee during that time frame is not unrealistic for a 2nd round pick that is contributing. There's obviously gray area, but do you think the Dodgers are really going to be expecting Garret Gould to do anything at this point?

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 09:31 AM) I found BL2 FAR more entertaining than BL1, which became a slow grind at many points. Too bad you're playing in the post-Bee-nerf era! That was how it was for me for a while too. It got fun again once I started doing Old Haven, Trash Coast, and the Salt Flats.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) 2009 MLB draft, there is exactly 1 HS player taken in round 2 with a WAR over 0.7, and they are the only 2 above zero. Nolan Arenado. Billy Hamilton is the 0.7. He might help the Reds this year. Again these are best case scenerios which take you to 2019. 2020 is still reasonable. And many of those guys have busted. Look at the minor league numbers for Everett Williams, Brooks Pounders, Mychal Givens, Tommy Joseph, Trayce Thompson, Garrett Gould, Tanner Bushue, Bryan Berglund, Steven Matz, Max Walla, Cameron Garfield...whatever, I could go on. I've been quite clear that the bust rates for prospects are quite high. All of those guys have put up pretty terrible numbers, except Steven Matz, who didn't start pitching with the Mets until last year (meaning he didn't pitch in 2009, 2010, or 2011). All the same, many of these guys are still apart of the future plans and could have realistically been called up last year. Holmberg, Murphy, and even Thompson to some extent look like decent prospects, and the Sox drafted 2 of those guys. Yes, it's realistic to see a high school player up within 4 years, and beyond that, you are going to have a pretty good idea of their fate within 4 years. With most of the guys listed above, they are either going to retire in 2 years or become career minor leaguers.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 09:15 PM) If Nieto isn't on the 25 man roster come opening day he gets sent back to Nats, right? Doesn't that pretty much seal his fate on the opening day? Unless the trade for him. That's always an option too. QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 10:35 PM) He's got to stay on the roster all year. Or DL but not too much DL. I think he gets offered back but then we trade for him. They keep him if he spends time on the DL, but if he spends time on the 60-day DL, the Sox have to make up for the time lost on the active MLB roster. They could hypothetically put him on the 60 day DL in May, keep him there all year, bringing him back next year, need the roster spot in June of 2015, and have to offer him back to Washington at that time.

When Tommy Hanson came up, he was averaging about 92.5 MPH with his fastball. That's down to 89.5. I wouldn't mind if they signed him, but it's for the same reason I wouldn't mind if they signed Jenks - to watch over his rehab in hopes that he can pitch either in July, August, or even next year. Counting on him to do anything is wrong.

/slowpoke I finished Borderlands 1. What a disappointing, anti-climatic ending. Started Borderlands 2 up right away. /slowpoke

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 08:49 AM) Absolutely. I look for at least 4 years in the minors. Rookies generally don't help you win that much. Trace Thompson was a second round high school pick in 2009. Hasn't been declared a bust yet, nor should he. Danish is best case scenerio and even then, you don't know what is going to happen between now and 2016 or 2017. I think if you take a HS player with the pick expected him to be a decent contributor to your major league team before 2020 is nonsense. It may happen, but probably not. For every Mike Trout, there are thousands of Trace Thompsons. Hawkins was drafted 2 years ago in round 1. Do you really think he's 2 years away from helping the White Sox win? The whole premise that this is a 99 loss team so the White Sox shouldn't sign pitchers is nonsense. If you knew how bad they were going to be, would you have thought it was a mistake to sign Peavy? Why would you need a "wrong side of 30" pitcher with a history of injury eating payroll? Because they signed Peavy they now have A. Garcia. That is the point of signing pitchers. The Sox don't have too much pitching. Guys are going to get injured. Guys are going to suck. The more you have, the better you will be. If at the end of the day, you luck out and do have too much pitching, it is very easy to get rid of . I absolutely think that Hawkins could help the Sox in 2 years. It all depends on how well he performs. The fact is, if these guys aren't helping or close to helping the major league team in 4 years, they're basically after thoughts. Do you really think anyone in the White Sox front office views Jared Mitchell as a potential starting player down the road? But he went to college, so he should have been up in 3 years, right? If the high schooler they take in the 1st and/or 2nd round this year isn't up by the end of the decade, odds are pretty good they'll never be up with the White Sox.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 10:14 PM) Jimmy Bricks! Jiminy Brickets

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 08:42 PM) Wite gets stuck with Jim Schwartz I'm OK with the hire. He runs a physical, aggressive D but focuses on more wide 9 techniques instead of the disguised blitzes that Pettine used. He's a douche as a head coach but he's always been a good coordinator.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 07:44 AM) Laumann was talking about the draft and said this year's draft is better than last year's but still isn't very good. He also said it is high school dominated. So chances are this second round pick that seems to be so valuable, if it ever helps the White Sox win, won't be until next decade. You legitimately think that a high school prospect won't help for 6 years? Meanwhile, people have already (incorrectly) talked about Tyler Danish, a high school pick in the 2nd round, pitching in the majors this year. He could legitimately get a cup of coffee next year and could be a significant piece of the puzzle come 2016. If it's not till 2017, that's realistic too. By all standards, if said high school player is taken in the 2nd, expecting him in the majors by 2018 is completely reasonable. They may bust - that's the nature of the beast. I'd still rather have that plus the allotted money to that slot than counting on anyone past the 10th round to contribute instead.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:53 PM) I have deleted my potentially offensive post and responses. My apologies. Carry on. I was joking for what it's worth, I guess I'm a little too dry. I thought it was funny and was just trying to make a play on that.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:48 PM) @MLBBruceLevine 6m Cubs and White Sox both looking at adding starting pitching . Cubs checking free agent list . from Chicago, IL I hear they're interested in Tanaka from Japan.

I think I just figured out how you prevent tanking in all sports - last place team gets thrown into the volcano.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:26 PM) Why is it one of the worst ways? You have a good young piece in Quintana right now, and a bust of a long-term contract in Danks. You want to trade Quintana - again, an already proven, young piece - for prospects, and then trade Danks for prospects - meaning, eat his contract, hope to get a guy that throws 88 MPH. You then want to venture down the long-term contract for a 30something pitcher while then counting on the development of Johnson and/or Beck, who are guys that could easily bust. Ultimately, you may end up with 0 good pitchers while eating Danks contract and adding another bloated contract in there as well. Do I really need to explain this further? You don't have to make extreme moves to rebuild. You can take it slow. This doesn't have to be done in one year, and frankly it doesn't have to be done in two years.

In case anyone's going, keep us updated. If all that comes from Soxfest is this photo, then I'm fine with that too http://deadspin.com/hawk-harrelson-is-base...addy-1508501487

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:15 PM) Interesting. This also may make a move to CF a lot less likely for Johnson (some people have suggested that due to his glove work issues at 2B). Being a 2B you don't need to make nearly as much effort on throws as you would from the outfield. Honestly, if some team grew infatuated with him, Johnson is a guy I'd move right away. I just don't think he has a particularly high ceiling. I think his upside is a guy like Chone Figgins, and more likely, a utility player and pinch runner.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) This is America g**dammit! Build that stadium in the blown out crater of Mt St Helens. Yeah right, you just want homefield advantage for the Seahawks