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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) It'd be clinically insane for there not to be some changes. At the very least, Phegley and 2 relievers ought to get their shots. I'll be interested to see if they can find PT to give Wilkins a chance now that he's moved up to Charlotte. Would probably require someone taking on Konerko... I think you approach Konerko and ask him what he wants. He's been hitting better (like .315 over his last 95 ABs with some power) so he could legitimately start. If he wants to go, try and get him to the best scenario for him. If he wants to stay, you respect his decision and you can still get Wilkins up. Dunn just puts on his circus uniform and plays a little bit of outfield.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) And again I'll note...the moves the Sox do make will depend a lot on what happens this next month and 6 days. If they Sox come up with a MLB-ready OF somewhere, that makes signing an OF less likely. Ditto 1b. Phegley could come up and grab hold of the catcher's spot for next year and take that off the list. We're going to need help somewhere and there are some guys who could be really nice fits for need on that list, but it's an open question of what the needs will be until we hit the deadline. August and September should hopefully be exciting months for the die hards who have wanted to rebuild for a while. I think you could see as many as 6 new starters offensively and a whole slew of new pitchers in the bullpen.

They may be merely testing his versatility too. Get him a few games at SS, a few games at 3B, a few games in LF, see if he can make it, because left handed hitting utility players have a much, much better chance of making it to the majors. s***, it's why Will Rhymes has 450 PAs in the majors and Denny Hocking lasted 13 years for that exact reason too.

I have no problem trading Reed to Detroit so long as Castellanos is coming over. You think the Tigers want to do that?

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) I don't see them making many major moves, I think they will re-sign Gavin to an incentive laden contract with options, they will make some more Lindstrom type moves to shore up the bullpen, and a Keppinger type move to get another OF, maybe someone like Delmon Young, but they won't be chasing big ticket free agents. I think this is a three year rebuild and they are going to hold their chips until they are ready to go all in again. I think they will use the money to go to player development and help improve the minor league system by spending more on scouting and roving coaches, and will focus more on the farm providing talent to either contribute at the major league level or to acquire pieces that will. C - McCann, Saltalamacchia, Ruiz 1B - Lind, Morse, Napoli, Morales 2B - Cano, Utley, Zobrist OF - Choo, Cruz, Granderson, Hart, Kubel, Murphy, Pence Other than Cano and Choo, I don't foresee any of these guys getting monstrous deals. I mention Choo and Cano because they are the types of players the Sox could be interested in, but I would not count on them getting them. McCann may be spendy, but he's not out of the realm of possibility either. Really, it's not far fetched to think the Sox could add 3 of the above guys.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 03:04 PM) If the Sox dump a lot of money in deadline deals, then trade the Jakemeister in the offseason, they will be able to offer a FA deal to a RHP to take Jake's current spot (placeholder probably, taking up innings while Johnson/whoever settles into the #5 spot) and then they should also be able to pick up at least 2 run producers to fit somewhere in either LF/CF/RF/1B/3B/DH/C. They might even be able to get 3 if they get a buy low type looking for playing time on a 1-year deal. But as always, there's the Torii Hunter rule. Can't count on anything. If you trade Peavy, there's no reason they should bring in another RHP. Just roll with Sale/Santiago/Quintana/Johnson/Danks in whatever order. No need to give $3 mill to a retread only to have him pitch terribly and get DFA'd in June. That's what the Twins did in the last 2000's.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) If we trade our players we want rid of, that is all we will get back is players that other organizations dont have plans for in the future. You have to trade value to get value. And I cannot believe anyone believes this team will be better next year. Danks will come up to replace PK with De Aza sliding to LF and Viciedo going to 1B. So they shed $5.5 mill in Thornton, $4.5 mill in Crain, $2 mill in Lindstrom, $6 mill in Konerko ($7 mill this year, $1 mill installements from from 2014 thru 2020), $9.5 mill in Floyd, anyone they may trade this year, plus an additional $25 million in revenue, and you believe that they won't make a single move in free agency or the trade market. We are talking upwards of $50 million for them to spend this offseason. You might see Danks play out the year, but I would strongly, strongly doubt they go into next season with him as the starter. I doubt they go into next season with Viciedo at 1B too. I think trying to figure anything out like that right now is farfetched and absurd.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) Rios and Crain will obviously get us more now. Lindstrom because of his salary being so low, and Thornton will be one of those typical salary dumps where we get back a negligible return. Peavy, the injury makes it a good debate about holding on to him. Ramirez, it could go either way. If Dunn stays hot another month, he could make things very interesting, so could Konerko. Regarding Thornton, I think the Sox will get more than people realize. Nothing special, but a guy with a chance to be a starting player at some point down the road. QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:44 PM) Why even try dealing DeAza? Who is going to give up anything of significance for him alone? He's like Lindstrom, Thornton, he's an add-on. You expand the deal if the team you're talking Crain/Reed/Rios/Peavy/Alexei with has a need for an OF & you want to get a better player than what is being offered. #1, I'm not saying deal De Aza, I'm saying I'd deal him before Reed. #2, you have to considering diminishing returns here. What do you think you'll be able to get for De Aza next year, or the following year? He's not someone you have to deal, but if you get what you feel is a fair offer, then I'd say deal him. He is absolutely an adequate corner outfielder, especially in today's game. The Sox have the best reliever available on the market in Crain. That's closing option #1. The Sox also have Lindstrom available who has closed games semi-effectively before. That's #2. If teams are looking for closers, those are who you deal. If someone blows you away with an offer for Reed, you take it, no problem, but I don't foresee that happening, not yet anyways. Because his value isn't at its highest? You are seriously talking about half a year's worth of success. If he finishes strong this year and puts up a 2.00 ERA , 1.00 WHIP, 10 K/9, and 4 K/BB again next year leading up to the deadline, with 3 years remaining until he's a free agent, don't you think he'll be more valuable? You hold on to Reed in the event that, with more experience, he gets better and better. It's not an unfounded theory. Kimbrel is arguably the best closer in the game going forward. I'm saying Reed can be top 5. Right now, he might be top 15. His value can increase. If the offer is there. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) and has been great for almost a half year this year. No team is going to give up a ton for a guy like that. And why exactly does that make it a bad time to trade Reed? He will build up more value if he closes out games against the Tigers when the Sox are 15-20 games back? As far as Reed, the only clear competition out there now is probably Papelbon, but who in God's name wants to take on that ugly contract for a closer when he's just as likely to go all Brad Lidge on you. It's not a bad time to trade Reed IF YOU GET THE OFFER. And yes, if he continues to prove to be effective, he will build value. What the f*** is so hard to understand about that? Oh, and for Reed? The clear competition is JESSE CRAIN. These last two posts make me feel like Walter Sobchak. HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY?

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:21 PM) You should have voted YES because you know it is RIGHT. You can't shop everyone. Your scouts aren't like teleporting ghosts things who can go from game to game player to player all the time & be in like 50 different minor league stadiums at the same time like god or something. You need to identify WHICH SPECIFIC PLAYERS (I'm yelling there) are going to bring back the best return & then get on the phione, see what other teams are offering, dispatch your goons, get busy. You don't just sit there writing dfown lists, you have to get serious on some players. I say, you get real serious on Alexei, Reed, Rios, Crain because those are the guys who have good value right now. Peavy is probably a lowball offer, screw it. Lindstrom, Thornton are "add-ons" in bigger packages, or somethign like that. If that's how you want to go about it, then no, I'm not dealing Reed, because I believe he will bring more back in value next year and the following years. Taking everything into consideration, I'm dealing De Aza before I'm dealing Addison Reed. In fact, I think I'd have Reed about 10th on that list simply because his value has not been maximized yet. Reed struggled down the stretch last year and has been great for almost a half year this year. No team is going to give up a ton for a guy like that. He's not putting up Kimbrel numbers by any stretch. But if he does this all year, you can look to move him in the offseason or you can look to move him next deadline.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 12:10 PM) 80-85% of the best pitching prospects in baseball are usually found in AA. Yes, the AAA/AAAA pitchers have better command, major league experience many of them, but not the pure stuff a lot of the AA pitchers throw. I'm aware. That's why I said the biggest jump is from A+ to AA. I'm saying the jump from A- to A+ is virtually negligible.

I voted no just to spite you because I felt like it. Really, Hahn should be "shopping" the entire team yet not "shopping" anybody whatsoever. If someone comes to you with an intriguing idea for Addison Reed, don't be afraid to pull the trigger or counter, but at the same time, don't go out of your way to trade him because he's an incredibly valuable pitcher.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 11:43 AM) The remainder of the $9.8 million he's owed this year make a trade or claim pointless. Once he's released if you can sign him up and let him work out the kinks in a lost year with Coop, I guess he might maybe be worth a look at. However, I'm sure a lot of teams would take a chance on that heat at a much, much smaller salary. Oh yeah, no, claiming the remainder is stupid. There's no way in hell I'd do that. I'd rather give that money to Adam Dunn. But once he clears and is released, yeah, if he is an outright free agent and he doesn't want to move, I have no problem with the Sox picking him up. I mean, who are they going to give the innings to, Omogrosso? Heath?

s***, I wouldn't mind. Relievers find it and lose it all the time. Brad Lidge's ERAs progressively went from 5.28 to 3.36 to 1.95 to 7.21 to 2.96 to 1.40 to 9.64. Marmol has trouble throwing strikes, but the stuff is still there.

Really, the difference in what you'd get for Ramirez, Peavy, or Reed would not be any different this offseason than it would at the deadline. The Mariners traded Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, and two others for Erik Bedard. The Tigers, Cubs, and Red Sox gave the Marlins a zillion players in their deals. The only reason you deal those guys right now is 1) if you feel you are getting max value 2) you feel that said players are at max value Yes, you have to deal guys like Crain, Thornton, and Lindstrom because they are free agents to be, but there's no need to deal the first 3 mentioned because they really are not going to lose value between now and then. Rios could lose value. The outfield class is pretty deep and diverse so trading him now while he is currently the best offensive bat makes sense. I'll "concede" that point. There could be others that become available between now and mid July too. Then again, you can keep him in the off chance you compete next year. But to suggest that you are going to get more or less for Ramirez, Peavy, or Reed right now is silly. Ramirez is going to be one of the best SS's available both in July and December - your free agent shortstops are Peralta, Drew, Yunel Escobar, and Furcal. That is, quite frankly, a terrible class. There are all kinds of high upside starters that can be brought in during free agency, but most will be high risk as well. And Reed is a 24 year old closer who will end the year with just over 2 years of service time who is currently averaging 9+ K/9 with a 4 K/BB. If you want to shop him now, you can, but unless his arm blows up between now and December (knock on wood), his value will go UP. The only 3 that need to be moved are the 3 relievers I mentioned. Rios would be a good one to trade too, but, as mentioned, he doesn't have to go anywhere. Same goes for Ramirez, Peavy, and Reed.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 10:40 AM) Could not disagree more, except for the jump between High A and AA. That's the biggest, this, the second. I would say that it's by far the smallest jump. A+ to AA is the biggest, followed by AA to AAA (young, hard throwers to slower, breaking stuff), and then rookie to A ball. Really, other than rookie to rookie, which you really don't see, I think A- to A+ really is the smallest.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 11:33 PM) Dusty Baker destroying another pitcher. Cingriani now up pitching in relief. Why. God. does he have a job? and why does he HATE rookies so much? I agree that I don't like seeing him in the bullpen, but let's be realistic here. Cueto, 8 GS, 3.21 ERA. Latos, 16 GS, 3.05 ERA Arroyo, 15 GS, 3.13 ERA Leake, 15 GS, 2.61 ERA Bailey, 15 GS, 3.75 ERA Cingrani needs to be starting, but that Reds rotation is dope

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 10:07 AM) On a national stage you are right. But hockey in the northeast, midwest and northwest is very strong. Hockey is clearly behind the NFL, NBA and MLB, but there is enough of a following in large areas of the country to clearly place it among the "big sports". Tough to argue cities like Chicago, New York, Boston, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Detroit don't care about it. The amazing thing is that North Dakota and Minnesota are crazy about hockey too - I imagine Wisconsin and Michigan fall in line with that too - but the Wild can't draw for s*** and it's why the North Stars moved to Dallas. The Gophers and Fighting Sioux (or whatever their name will end up being) draw like crazy though.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) Extremely well, unfortunately there will be a two-week wait as the other two jamokes they are interviewing are scheduled out that far. I'm pessimistic when it comes to this type of stuff, and I'd be shocked if I don't get an offer. That said. Who the f knows when it comes to interviewing. Yeah interviewing sucks. I have had two interviews I thought went really well and I didn't get the jobs and then one that I thought could have been so much better and I received an offer.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 09:45 AM) No one in their right mind would argue hockey's place on the national stage but this city has absolutely fallen in love with the Hawks. Look at the sell out streak, ticket prices, tv ratings, whatever you want to look at, Chicago has been hockey crazy for a bit now. I fell in love with the team and hockey in general during this stretch. So awesome.

At the end of the day, I think if any of the top 5 major teams win, the city goes crazy.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) LOL to complaining about not getting anything back in those deals. Durham, fine. The rest? That's not what I was debating. I was basically saying that it doesn't matter when or where you make trades, the return won't change that greatly. Teams are less willing to give up premier talent in the offseason, so the theory goes, because they can sign guys, but there are more teams who feel they can compete, so you may be able to parlay that into a nice deal. Teams are more willing to give up premier talent to get the missing piece at the deadline, but there are fewer teams willing to give those pieces up, so it's harder to pit teams against each other. At the end of the day, it's up to the GM to make the move to bring in the talent. No, I don't care that all the Sox got for Kenny Lofton was Felix Diaz and Ryan Meaux and that is entirely besides the point. I did bring it up in a funny way though.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 09:27 AM) Mid-season deals tend to yield more as teams that find themselves in contention will give up more to make a playoff push, especially when their competitors are upgrading. Good GMs get more than bad GMs regardless of the time of year players are dealt. The White Sox got absolutely nothing dealing guys like Durham, Lofton, Mackowiak, Iguchi, Thome, and Contreras over the years at the deadline, while the Indians ended up with guys like Ben Broussard (when he was good), Shin-Soo Choo, and Carlos Santana.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 09:05 AM) That's because they suck. A competitive White Sox (let alone the Bears or Cubs) team >>>>>>>> a competitive Blackhawks team. And you don't have to give back the trophy if you don't win it the next year. I really don't think so. If anything, I think you are looking at the two being equal, but I think the Hawks have the advantage. Winning a championship in terms of how many pay attention, I'd say you're looking at 1) Bears 2) Bulls 3) Cubs 4) Blackhawks 5) Sox 6) Ping Pong 7) Lacrosse 8) Fire 9) Wolves 10) Sky

Quite frankly, the Chicago team nobody gives a s*** about is the White Sox (unless you want to consider the Fire, which I do not)

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 25, 2013 -> 08:26 AM) This was was about Flowers being terrible. I was 100% right. Congratulations. Buy yourself a cookie.