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yawn....how many more times are we going to be involved with the Dodgers for a trade?

Thomas will not play 1st base for 162 games....no way the Dodgers go for that I would love to do this deal to close out pitching rotation, but the same thought haunts me everytime we talk about dealing someone on O for pitching.....our biggest problem until we got Alomar and Everett was on O We just could not freaking hit.......no way is Borchard or Reed ready to produce yet ..... I would have loved to do this deal and then got Juan Gonzalez, but with the guy off the market, we do not have a way of replacing the O anymore....

Do not be surprised if he lands with the Cubs......they will be losing Moises Alou and his 9 mill salary, and they could add a little salary too

Now that we know what team we are going into the season with, I think our chances of adding vs subtracting at the A/S break depends on these two people Paulie Konerko and Billy Koch If these two revert back to their form before last year, we will be adding, there is no doubt in my mind We all know what we will get from Maggs, Frank, Valentin, Carlos Lee on O We all know what we will get from Buerhle and Elo and Garland in pitching But if we can get PK and Billy back to performing what they are paid to perform at, we will be fine to win this weak ass division People like Willie Harris, Rowand can only get better on O from last year (at least from 1st half of last year) We will drop in production from #4 and 5 in pitching.....which is why a good bullpen is A MUST, which is where Billy comes in. Although we cannot get any worse in our #5 production from last year. Billy, Zero, Marte, Wright, Wunsch, Person could be a good bull pen if Billy rebounds.

Sorry but the Mccaskeys do not qualify as beoig cheap anymore. Every team has a salary cap, and the Bears pay as much if not more than most teams. Purely in terms of salaries, the Bears were #5 last year or so. Now, this does not particularly apply to Wirtz either because the Hawks are in the top 15 in salary every year (including this year). They have had major injuries (Daze, Zham, TBo etc) that has killed them this year. Wirtz will NEVER spend like Illitch from the Dead wings, but remember Illitch does not spend anything for the Tigers (IRod not withstanding). And once the salary situation clears up some in hockey, Wirtz will get us to contend again like we were in the early 90s. Also, hockey is very much unlike baseball in that you CANNOT win by throwing money.....you cannot even in baseball, but in baseball it is easier to win by throwing money than by not throwing it (see Yankees, Bo Sox etc). In hockey, except for Detroit and Colorado, teams like the Devils, Ducks, Wild, Blues are all middle of the road in terms of $.

The Cubs were America's darlings because they have a huge following over the country The Sox do not.....they have no following in Chicago so forget the country Fact is the Cubs will not motivate the Sox.

'Cheap' Sox getting bum rap By Sam Smith Tribune pro basketball reporter February 2, 2004, 10:25 PM CST Because I don't want to stick to basketball. There, that answers the first nasty letter. With the Bulls out of town and virtually out of mind, I went to SoxFest last weekend to see what all the fuss was about. The fussing, anyway. Oh, that's right. Losing Tony Graffanino. OK, Bartolo Colon, Roberto Alomar and Carl Everett too. I'll admit it. I'm a closet White Sox fan. It seems in these heady Cubs times, it's where you find most Sox fans. But I'm not that upset. Of course, I go to Bulls games. By comparison, the Sox look pretty darn good. But that's not the common perception these days. So I ventured into the belly of the angry whale—wail?—of Sox fans and heard this: The Sox won't negotiate with Magglio Ordonez. Well, not quite. He wants to become a free agent and test the market, sort of like Kobe Bryant in basketball. Nothing personal, he says, but no thanks to negotiations. I know no one's blaming the Lakers for Kobe's talk about leaving. There also was all this angst about guys leaving: Graffanino wanted more playing time. Would you make him a full-time starter? Alomar bet he'd strike it big on the free-agent market and declined arbitration, preventing the Sox from negotiating with him until May. Tom Gordon—raise your hand if you wanted him last year. Everett drew criticism when he signed because Sox fans said he couldn't play center. And Colon was only 15-13. Sure, you'd like to have him, but maybe at 30 pounds less. There was fear about Willie Harris playing second base, that he was an unknown guy with little success. But it seems there was a lot of moaning last year about the Sox doing something stupid like that with a journeyman pitcher named Esteban Loaiza. There was a lot of talk about being cheap, yet for what it's worth, the Sox do have the highest payroll in their division. Oh, right, that big-market thing. I fast-break back to basketball on that one. Second teams in major markets invariably suffer and spend less. The New Jersey Nets tried, won two Eastern Conference titles but didn't draw, lost about $20 million a year and had to be sold. And now they'll be moved. If the Sox were sold, there's no guarantee they wouldn't be moved. Sometimes you'd better watch out what you wish for. You could get an owner like the Dallas Mavericks' Mark Cuban, for instance, whose free spending has become a publicity mirage. He has been one of the few NBA owners not spending his annual salary-cap exception and has his players and staff near mutiny with his overbearing and boorish ways. Bottomless money pit Paul Allen of the Portland Trail Blazers has ordered major financial cutbacks. The Boston Celtics were sold and are auctioning their highest-paid players. So are the Atlanta Hawks. The Lakers won't give Shaquille O'Neal an extension. The Pacers declined to keep All-Star Brad Miller because he cost too much. The Kings paid him, but had to drop several players and are now demanding a new arena. And so it goes in sports these days. I can point to occasions when the Sox have made mistakes. Frequently. But I don't really see where they haven't tried to win. Even back to the "White Flag" trade. That trade did lead to the 2000 division title. Sure, everyone wants more than a division title. And shouldn't they have had that last season? They got Colon when the Yankees and Red Sox didn't. They pulled all sorts of strings for Alomar and Everett. Who knew they wouldn't be good enough? Even the bad Todd Ritchie deal. It wasn't done to save money, but to win then. So they weren't right. At least they seemed to be trying. The Angels and Marlins showed you don't have to buy everyone. You just have to be a little smarter. Perhaps the Sox need to work on that. Baseball fans, particularly Sox fans, should be most angry at the players association and Pate Philip. It's the union, contrary to the interests of the game, that allows the free-spending rules that favor the teams with the huge TV contracts, like the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs. Just keeping Alex Rodriguez from being traded should show who's baseball's Public Enemy No. 1. And Philip, the former state Senate president from Wood Dale, refused to let the Sox build a stadium in the suburbs, where most of the fans now live. Everyone knows what it's like trying to get to U.S. Cellular Field on weeknights. The Sox have seven of their nine starters back, and it wasn't until the Yankees started bringing up prospects that they began to win. The Sox say Harris, Joe Crede, Joe Borchard and Aaron Rowand are worth the look. Why not take one? New manager Ozzie Guillen seems eager and willing. It was interesting to hear the angst and listen to the team's logic. What seemed clearest was the frustration of not winning while the Cubs did. The answer, always, is to buy someone. Gimme, gimme, gimme. Just gimme pitchers and catchers in a couple of weeks. It doesn't look that bad.

Baseball lasts forever......6 month regular season, 1 month pre-season and 1 month post season (if we are lucky).....I would not want to to do anything with baseball the remaining 4 months too if I had to keep flying and playing baseball for the remaining 8 months

You must be dreaming if you think Maddux will come here.....

I hate Moronotti more than maybe anyone else....but the fact is he is correct here Of course what is really funny is the Sox could win 15 games less than the Cubs and STILL win their division while the Cubs would be playing for the wild card Our division sucks.....

I bet it is 59.5 minutes about the spankees, bosox, cubs and astros and then 0.5minutes for the rest of the league.....which does not include the White Sox anyways.....not that the White Sox have done anything

The biggest problem now is we do not have Gonzalez anymore on the market if we trade Maggs Who will play RF? Please do not tell me Gload or Borchard Our biggest problem last year was our hitting, and with Willie, Rowand and one of the two above on RF, Olivo, Crede and hot and cold Konerko in the lineup, it will be a long season The same problem with if we trade Kong....we do not have Palmeiro anymore on the market

Sox will win the division with 89-73 record

I think, and this is my humble opinion, Nomar was one of those guys that JR would be ready to pay for and not have it count against the reqd salary Just like Colon..... There are some people that KW can convince JR we need and JR will agree to it, and would not mind payroll increase for it, while others he would mind

Maybe we can trade for Robbie Alomar again at the trade deadline when Zona is out of it, and we are in the race

Why is this a PR nightmare for the Sox. They cannot help it if the player they are willing to swap for Maggs is unavailable. If anything, I wish Kenny would now screw the BoSox by telling them to give more than they are giving right now otherwise calling it off. They are vulnerable since they cannot take Nomar back. And the Dodgers will screw the Bo Sox too now if they try to unload him to the Dodgers (who were not willing to give up their pitchers even then)

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-sox19.html

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb

And George Steinbrenner has a free for all party for the City of New York tonight

Or, maybe Nomar is one of those Colon type of guys, whose salary does not count against the payroll requirements

We will get pitching at trade deadline if we do not get Garcia now

Sorry but I blame ARod for accepting that contract and then expecting to win....anyone with half a brain should know the team had no shot with his stupid ass contract Ands how is getting 15mill a year for 10 years to 25 mill a year any different? When is it enough for these money-whores? :fyou Payrod

Yeah the deadline talk was for the two teams to agree....they have...the problem is with the players union agreeing...so the two teams might extend the deadline to get something for the MLBPA to agree on If this does not go through, I will be very happy that ARod will be f***ed in having to spend another at least 3 or 4 years (I know he can be a FA at some point by exercising some option) without a Championship in that hell hole called Texas And by then, Bo Sox will be forced to extend Nomar, which will mean ARod can no longer go there, and the Spankees with Jeter have no s*** unless they put him at 3rd :fyou PayRod

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

Maybe the Padres are pikcing up portion of the salary....I see this as a salary dump Maybe we plan to use him in relief (long relief only?) Dunno why we would do this By the way, there is no validity to any of the Val to Seattle speculation......I listen to Seattle radio everyday and not one peep about it (and they do talk baseball)....they rather keep Guillen Seattle loves great D, which is why they were taking the chance on Omar (and also because he lives there and loves it hence would be motivated) Val does not provide great D.....