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Solid ideas in first paragraph...not sure if they will ever come to fruition but any plan is better than just allowing the organization to completely implode.

Much better with FA's. Much better with scrap heap career resurrections like Marte DeAza Thornton Jenks Santos. Fielded competitive teams consistently... and over a much longer time period. Hahn has zero successful achievements to compare. Every team with a Top 5 MiLB system has eventually made the playoffs at least once in the modern era. And 2020 team wouldn't have made it if played out over a longer season with more play outside the Central Division.

Pretty sure it was 5 or 6 total appearances... obviously 2015/16 the most successful with two NLCS and one WS. There was a break in there with Maddon getting forced out and Ross trying to keep the last players remaining competitive through 2020/21 before Rizzo Bryant Baez Contreras all moved on. That coincided with MIL and StL taking back control of Central.

Making the 87/93 Marlins the most successful, 87/91 Twins...Giants, Red Sox, Cardinals, Astros, etc. Of course it was the Yankees until the 2000s. Obviously Braves/Dodgers/Rays are difficult to argue against over the last decade... along with Astros (albeit cheating.)

Which is why they struggled so much against Minnesota in the 2000's and then the Tigers/Royals/Guardians and now the Twins again over the following 10-15 years, with the obvious exception of 2005 when everything came together perfectly.

Patrick Wisdom is a perfect example of a "Dodgers Value Guy" who bounced around all over the league and finally found a home. Swanson has such an inconsistent track record offensively (solid speed and defense obviously), but is playing out of his mind. Bellinger's case is well-documented...change of scenery. Suzuki has a world of potential on the offensive side if he can stay healthy. Hoerner SEEMS like a bargain with that $35 million extension. ETC. Then it always comes down to pitching...in this case, the Brewers are out to a huge advantage and the Cubs/Cards fighting to keep up with that most cost-efficient franchise, the most similar to the Rays in the NL.

They were fine through the end of 2012... At any rate: HAVE TO GO THIS YEAR: Bummer, Graveman, Lynn, Giolito, Clevinger (if right offer, unfortunately, his option is much better than Lynn's for next year and they have to provide a starting rotation in 2024, plus all the attached "baggage"), Kelly, Grandal, Reynaldo should be either extended or traded/then attempt to resign as FA to replace Liam eventually depending on cost Up for debate: Benintendi (zero benefit to have on roster except "veteran leadership/experience" during rebuild but they likely won't dump his deal yet), Jimenez (likely traded at 60-75 cents on the dollar after extended hot/healthy streak), Moncada (sunk cost), Kopech, Cease (both those guys won't sign team-friendly extensions going into another rebuild), TA7 (three potential windows to trade him, beginning with June/July 2023) Keep: Robert (maybe/probably, unless you can get enough value back in return), Burger, Sheets, Vaughn (probably), Colas, Montgomery, Hendriks (unless he can get back to full health/performance before the trade deadline this year)

+/- games over/under .500 RS/RA AL East +23, +111 RS AL Central -17, -99 RS AL West -11, -15 NL East +5, -12 NL Central +12, +75 NL West -14, -55 Fangraphs Current Odds of winning the World Series (2) AL East 24.6% (6) AL Central 6% (4) AL West 13.2% (1) NL East 28% (5) NL Central 8.7% (3) NL West 17.4%

Seems the Astros are finally making some personnel mistakes. They also had held onto Gurriel one year too long. Ill-advised signing of Brantley with his health record...especially in 30's now. Obviously Altuve getting hurt in the WBC didn't help matters all that much.

It would rival the Abraham Lincoln funeral train in the spring of 1865...

They just committed to sell off their best players like Bell, McCutcheon, Marte, Musgrove, Glasnow, etc. Pretty much everyone but Bryan Reynolds and now building around Hayes/Cruz. (And got stuck with the Gregory Polanco ill-advised long-term extension. Now in JPN.)

Current attendance as of this moment (Balt/WSH not announced, KyLlE can double check my math if he wants) Overall rank/per game Today's attendance in bold (if applicable) AVG/game 19. Cleveland 21,271 20. Baltimore 21,181 21. Washington 21,153 (still waiting for number, but will switch places with first place Minnesota) 22. Minnesota 20,833 23. Chicago White Sox 10,149/19,568 24. Detroit 11,230/19,476 25. Tampa Bay 17,210 26. Cincinnati 10,205/16,974 27. Pittsburgh 16,863 28. Kansas City 10,388/15,874 29. Miami 13,549 30. Oakland 12,112 (actively trying to sabotage franchise but had Cubs in town)/11,026 And the weather was actually pretty nice, and the NL World Series representatives were in town...albeit without Bryce Harper

Have already provided numerous lists of talent. Doesn't matter. Choose ANYONE from the Rays, Brewers, Guardians, Twins, Dodgers, Braves, Cardinals....heck, even the A's.

Quite fortunate the Twins are going to be 4 games over .500 after tonight and not +6 and already 5 1/2 games back before TB and Toronto...

Well, Jim Thome and Bo Jackson most definitely are not losers...

Looked up Jeremy Haber at wikipedia and he's distinguished himself so thoroughly he doesn't have an entry, so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd7-nItfKeo He reminds me of Rabbit so I don't think I'll be joining "Team Haber" anytime soon...it would be nice to have SOMEONE who actually knows how to play major league baseball (albeit not at the highest level) involved in decision-making (I know, I know...what about the Rays' front office and Theo Epstein?, etc.)

Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino? He must have been a Tigers' fan, lol. At any rate, the bottom of the AL Central (CHW/DET/KCR) cumulatively has a 0.5% chance now of winning the World Series. Cubs are at 0.8% Great job, Hahn.

10,149

https://www.mlb.com/video/jake-burger-doubles-1-on-a-sharp-line-drive-to-left-fielder-lamonte-wade-?q=Jake Burger Wood Alex&cp=CMS_FIRST&qt=FREETEXT&p=0

Let's talk some really important and relevant numbers. You still CAN'T explain why they went from the very best record of health in the AL from 2000-2012 under Herm Schneider to one of the very worst under Hahn and every single trainer from 2013 until 2023. Top 4-5 record in baseball during that time frame with KW and Schneider. Bottom 5-7 winning percentage in all of baseball from 2013-2023 under Hahn and three different training staffs. Let's ask PTAC if he attributes it to the trainers, players/"today's modern athlete", front office interference/indifference or the various managers during those two specific time frames...

It's between 120 and 121. So Crede and Rowand were basically comparable to Anderson and Moncada... and Robert/Eloy got their butts kicked by basically every single regular from the 2000's. Rowand averaged more GP than Anderson... and it's getting worse for every day Anderson is out in 2023.

It's 135 including 2003-07. I missed 2007. My badness, I should probably be drawn and quartered... Creed split 2001 and 2002 between the majors and minors before playing in his first full season in 2003. NOT INJURED... Still a lot more than any of the four modern-day players. I left out the first/rookie year of Anderson's career as well, and here's exactly why, he didn't have an opportunity to play a full season as he only played for four months..."On June 10, 2016, the White Sox designated Jimmy Rollins for assignment and promoted Anderson to the major leagues.[26] Anderson made his MLB debut that day, hitting a double off of Ian Kennedy of the Kansas City Royals in his first at bat.[27] Anderson batted .283 with nine home runs in 99 games for the White Sox.[28] DATE INJURY 4/10/23 Knee 8/9/22 Finger 5/30/22 Groin 5/29/22 Groin 4/23/22 Illness 8/31/21 Hamstring 8/24/21 Legs 4/5/21 Hamstring 4/4/21 Hamstring 9/20/20 Right hamstring 7/31/20 Right Groin 6/25/19 Ankle 5/25/19 Wrist 7/5/18 Left arm soreness

Okay number of tickets sold not accurately reflecting bodies in the actual seats... but that doesn't sound as good for tv viewers.

So the White Sox had to pay a "penalty" of $294,000 to IFSA last year for succeeding with an almost 25% increase to 1.98 million in attendance in 2022... Seems the goal is definitely is to get it back down to 1.6 million (2021) levels with how they've operated over the last 12 months, lol. Of course, the premise here is dumb because all those tickets, parking, souvenirs and concessions are well going to exceed a loss of $3 per ticket over 1.9 million in attendance!!!!! Econ 101

"The year 2008 marked the end of the organization’s 18-year rent-free agreement with Illinois. The team would only pay a standard clear-cut $1.5 million in property taxes. Reinsdorf was allowed to keep all money grossed in concessions, parking, tickets and so on. This new deal negotiated the terms that the White Sox would begin to pay a base rent to the state of Illinois. The amount they would pay was agreed to be based on annual attendance number. If 1.9 million fans or more attended, Reinsdorf would have to pay somewhere between $3-9 per ticket sold that year. "According to Shia Kapos of chicagobusiness.com, “the paid attendance (in 2010) was 2,074,011, exceeding the trigger by 149,011. So Mr. Reinsdorf paid $455,974, or about $3 per ticket.”" Adding that to the $1.5 million, it barely seems like anything. Most of the 40-man-roster if not the eternity was paid more than $2 million that year. The last time the White Sox hosted more than 1.9 million fans was 2013. Reinsdorf has not paid a ticket fee in six years. Meanwhile, he keeps all the money grossed in concessions, merchandise, parking, and even tickets. Most teams pay anywhere between $10 to 20 million for their lease, but not smart businessman Reinsdorf. He can save a couple million by not allowing the team to essentially get better. Because the better the team gets, the more tickets they sell. The more tickets they sell means a higher attendance rate, higher than 1.9 million. That means Reinsdorf has to go into his own pocket to pay the state of Illinois for his franchise to play on the south side of Chicago. This is why it took so long for the team to finally strip down and start over in 2016." https://southsideshowdown.com/2019/02/22/white-sox-exposing-jerry-reinsdorf/