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Depends on which Severino they get back...

It was Ray Durham for Jon Adkins (when there were rumors the comp pick system was changing, just reference Adkins' ERA at the time of the trade)... 2 Traded by Chicago White Sox with Mark Johnson, Joe Valentine and cash to Oakland Athletics in exchange for Billy Koch and 2 players to be named later (December 3, 2002); Chicago White Sox received Neal Cotts and Daylon Holt (December 16, 2002).

Then it really WILL be a foregone conclusion that he's gone at the end of 2023, if not at mid-season to increase his trade return (and rebuild/retool the organization) for 2024. I'd certainly/gladly take that tradeoff of losing Giolito if it at least guaranteed ONE AL Championship series at this point. (Of course, nobody would blink an eye if we somehow won it all and they let him go, it would be like the Buehrle treatment, a decade later.) Still, not even dreaming about the World Series anymore, not with TLR as the manager.

I'm never going to pretend any baseball...or White Sox baseball isn't fun. But my expectations were of a transcendant team, division dominance, a near dynasty...not one looking backwards at the Tigers nipping at their heels.

It's incredible what they did without Acuna, Ozuna and a number of injured pitchers.

Not even close. 1990 was the most fun for a young fan, right after 2005. I might even go with the last two or three weeks of 2008, even if we were obviously going nowhere without Quentin.

Go back to 2016, 17 and the Robert signing. Wouldn't you have expected more than just two postseason victories, total? Yes, maybe we are all a bit spoiled as Sox fans with two consecutive postseasons for the first time inhistory, but we just suffered through nearly a lost decade of Sox baseball. Maybe not a dynasty, but something MORE than this seems reasonable, doesn't it?

Yes, as long as we can watch those two guys...without them, this team is pretty darned boring/vanilla, other than Hendrik's antics.

I almost feel that more credit should go to Rodon's willingness to come back for almost nothing out of sheer desperation and familiarity over any particular front office brilliance or foresight.

I'm a lot more excited about the NCAA Tourney. I really think I will eventually change my mind at some point on MLB.TV, but it's going to take a couple of months if Kimbrel is STILL on?the active roster. Or Kimbrel actually pitching like he was supposed to last season.

$21.5 million, to be exact.

https://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-andrew-friedman-talks-gavin-lux-and-future-in-la/2021/11/19/ Lux stays around as insurance if nothing else (like Vaughn and Sheets for Abreu)...Trea Turner is a FA at year's end and Taylor is going to hit his decline at some point.

See Twins fans from 2001-2020...but particularly the last decade. At least they have a nice new stadium to show for it.

They will undoubtedly ask for Vera and Ramos or Rodriguez as the two pieces accompanying Burger.

https://www.si.com/mlb/dodgers/news/dodgers-tried-to-re-sign-kenley-jansen-before-the-mlb-lockout Just thought this was worth revisiting since Kimbrel will be foisted up in the Dodgers in these dream scenarios..

I just assumed it was from TONIGHT, because some were discussing Bruce as a legit source of information...somewhat credible, at least. Ooops.

I have a feeling we're going to get a response about Cease's fWAR being in the Top 15 or 20 or whatever it was in all of MLB last season...granted, a big chunk of that production was from the AL Central match-ups.

Who else COULD they be linked to at this point, besides back-up catchers and random starters on the trade market, like Manaea and Montas? It's all a bit too logical. Unless that long-discussed Ketel Marte trade is breaking, which would 50-75% redeem this offseason, but likely aggravate everyone with the cost in young Sox talent surrendered. At this point, almost not even caring about anything beyond 2024, they've already boxed themselves into such a corner with their current roster construction.

See Eaton 2016, Avi Garcia 2017... Rios wasn't quite as hated as Greg775 made him out to be, but he wasn't exactly a "problem solver" in many aspects for the White Sox.

This is quite funny, you have Tottenham Hotspur getting roasted by their new UK "paint sponsor" Dulux...about as close to being "painted into a corner" as I could quickly find. I guess it's the equivalent of Guaranteed Rate making a decrepit/dilapidated house in the RF position (or you could also go with 2B, or maybe both?)

Well, at least 2004-05 made sense in retrospect. Go away from the bloated salaries of Maggs, El Caballo and Valentin to allocate the money across more guys. Manufacturing runs at the top with Pods and Iguchi. Two huge pitching additions the year before, with Contreras totally under the radar. El Duque for leadership. Dye and AJ at a massive discount. Bullpen by committee with Hermanson, Takatsu, Jenks, Politte, Marte and Cotts. Everett in the leadership mix as well. All for $65 million, at least the Opening Day payroll.

The Twins don't even want to spend, but the Sox offseason so far is pretty much begging and pleading for them to jump back in...especially with Cleveland seemingly looking to tear down.

Hope it's the Twins and not the Tigers.