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Yeah, almost would be happier if we offloaded the entire Hendriks deal…just so much risk their value goes down (at least one of them) and it becomes a tough contract to move. By the nature of those salaries, one will be the highest paid non-closer in the history of the sport. Hard to see both of them maintaining value minus Kimbrel turning into A.Miller. Or worst-case, Hendriks goes through a week like Jansen recently did and uncertainty sets in…Hendriks can’t adapt to set-up and then Kimbrel blows up as well. In terms of contract risk, it certainly happened to the Cubs with the Heyward, Chatwood, Darvish and Kimbrel deals. We already have some in Grandal and Keuchel to a lesser extent.

The other big unknown is how Kimbrel reacts in a set-up or tie game role… For most closers, not that well. Slightly different mentality at play. Obviously with KC, Holland was the man and it shifted to Wade Davis over their window, with Escobar always coming before those guys in the 7th or 8th along with a lefty depending on matchups.

That’s very optimistic from you. I guess on the day of any trade, it’s always easiest to see the upside rather than the downside once they begin to perform. The drafting of Madrigal being a perfect example there where hype exceeded results, by and large.

After the Sirotka/Wells/Keith Law fiasco…there has to be something to protect both clubs.

Otoh, if you’re a stock market investor, Warren Buffett, etc., this is the gutsiest or dumbest buy high, sell low in Chicago White Sox history. We already were arguing that the Hendriks move showed a lack of patience when we supposedly had multiple internal options. And the knowledge Colome would likely regress due to advanced metrics. Just imagine if Burdi or Crochet had turned into a lockdown combo of their own and we could invest a shit-ton of money somewhere else less risky…and we still had Narvaez, never having had to add Grandal. Oh, well.

Rick Hahn, because he thought they would have more than enough power everywhere else. That said, the defense, speed and baserunning were not what we were promised. Then the injuries, dating back to OSU.

Sox history has been the highly paid ones like Koch and Robertson are dubious investments. You can look at every guy we’ve used going back to Roberto Hernandez and almost none came to the Sox as payroll leaders…almost all under the radar types. Which makes sense for a mid-market team to do.

That’s a bit misleading when you go from below a 1 to 2+ over the course of two seasons. Surprised we didn’t at least get Hoerner back, though.

Or converting one of the multiple SS’s on the market to second…some already playing both. Not dreaming over the $100+ million guys, of which two in addition to the real headliners this coming offseason are listed. Simmons, Gregorious, Semien, Baez, Schoop, etc. 90% it’s Hernandez barring a complete collapse, although you have to watch his age decline. Poppy still alive? Or Burger to second, haha.

There’s our second big bullpen move…

Since they both went to ND. Mancini isn’t getting traded today. The end.

Cancel SoxTalk. Nothing to discuss. They tried hard, that’s realistically all that we can ask for. Certainly the Giants should have adopted the same stand pat posture this past offseason…or the Brewers/Rays, they never manage to better themselves. Or maybe the key point is no headline making moves that “win the offseason” or “win the trade deadline.” We should have really kept Loaiza in 2004 and not taken a risk with that Contreras guy, with AJ’s prickly personality, Scotty Pods off a disappointing sophomore year, not taken a risk with Dye’s leg, El Duque at age 50, with Everett’s or Jenks’ past…just rolled into year with Magglio, C-Lee and Valentin instead. Because we could have been wrong about them all.

How many 1B/DH/corner types can fit on one 40 man roster? Wouldn’t it have been far easier to sign Nelson Cruz in the offseason?

There’s just no way that trade goes down…unless Dan Fabian is suddenly put in charge of trades.

Wilson Ramos would be another that couldn’t be worse than Zavala.

Do we have $700k+ to spend?

Ray Ray definitely won’t answer unless you address him as “buddy.”

Where would Heyward play? You know JR would force him into the starting lineup in RF for the rest of his deal…seems more unlikely he would ever take on a terrible deal with over $10+ million commitment. Alex Rios days long gone.

“Peters was designated for assignment Thursday, Juan Toribio of MLB.com reports. Peters managed to reach the majors for the first time this season, and he hit .192/.382/.385 across 34 plate appearances. The bigger concern was his subpar performance with Triple-A Oklahoma City, as he struck at a 28.4 percent rate and had just a 71 wRC+ in 204 plate appearances. His designation opens a spot on the 40-man roster for Danny Duffy (forearm).” cbssportsline.com

Hudson deal done https://www.mlb.com/news/daniel-hudson-trade?partnerId=zh-20210730-445906-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20210730-445906-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=KcI%2BFC%2BQqw56n%2FwqWHKyr3xeEcAKS3TVj3sx2rmTm63NMh3P7k3V82PbMCvw3RG1&bt_ts=1627650238983 For #9 prospect Mason Thompson, who throws harder than Kopech…and who Washington will try to convert to starting in all likelihood. And another obscure prospect.

DJ Peters will be a great help? They actually have to clear four more spots, Knebel and Seager are back soon. Doesn’t mean they don’t have options or that we would win a waiver claim since many rebuilding teams would get to pick before the Sox.

Have to sell Marquee subscriptions for next year somehow…based on Happ, Hoerner, Wisdom and Hendricks? Need some type of plausible hope for the future. Financial savings for the Ricketts Family doesn’t exactly do the trick.

Have to be Lopez…don’t think they can trust Lambert.

When do we enjoy taking on salary?

We are so afraid of trading away significant pieces due to what happened to the Cubs’ window as a result of the Chapman and Q trades that we’re just kind of stuck in limbo…just like our managerial situation. Easier to blame injuries or youth/inexperienced than front office mistakes. Buys them another year. They’ll probably hint at signing a Verlander and pretty much stand pat in the offseason and call the Lynn extension their big move for next year, along with Kopech joining the rotation.