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Bradley bunts on his own, then when they really need the bunt...he doesn't. Farrell having a much worse series than Ventura.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) right, and you have the FULL picture on Tim Anderson based on one week of at bats, right? You dont like name lists? Where did I claim to have the FULL picture on Tim Anderson? There are obviously some concerns still...less on the defensive side than offensively. I simply asked what is a REASONABLE goal for our Latin American program? When should we expect to start seeing some positive results at the big league level? Nobody can answer that, apparently.

The first excuses are coming out...the same conditions could have applied in 2013, there was even more pressure on him because it cost Jake Odorrizi and Wil Myers. “James is putting an awful lot of pressure on himself to try to justify the trade,” White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper said.”He’s trying too hard. He’s rushing, anxious, going to fast, and because of that he’s not throwing enough first pitch strikes and/or getting ahead of hitters.” Said White Sox manager Robin Ventura: “Coming into a new situation, and I don’t know if it’s to impress, but to do something a little more, or try and do it better,” Ventura said. “Not that guys don’t want to do that, but there comes a point where you do too much. You try and overcompensate and it ends up going completely the wrong way.” “Strong competitor. A put-away changeup,” Farrell said. “A guy that I think would thrive on the bigger stage or in the spotlight. We don’t take anything for granted. Yeah, he’s had little bit of a rough go in his time coming back to the American League, but still very capable of making quality pitches.” “He’s going to be fine eventually. Hopefully that starts (today),” Cooper said. “There’s no guarantee of that, but I believe in my heart that he’s going to come out of this and he’ll be fine.” http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox...lping_white_sox Red Sox fans thankful the White Sox stopped them from bringing in James Shields

Nobody ever answered the question of what GOALPOSTS the White Sox have set for their Latin American development program... Just saw a list of names. How is that helpful to know whether the money invested has been spent wisely or not so far? (Yes, I know, according to Dick Allen, we won't have the full picture until 2019-2022...even though Rick Hahn will likely be long gone by then.)

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 07:35 AM) Not to throw grass on the false hope fire, but they are still just a solid run (against any opponents) from being right there. It's possible to hang in the picture because KC/CLE/DET will be beating up on each other. Certainly another 5-17 Central run won't cut it, but if they could bump that to 10-12 over the next 22 Central games, who knows. I bet we could find this same exact post (X1000) from the end of last July/early August.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 08:34 AM) At least you'll know if the game's over within the first 2 innings. But that one game against the Tigers where we started out down 7-0, we rallied back somehow to win. Pushing our luck to expect a 4 game sweep in Boston with this pitching match-up. Las Vegas was probably afraid to issue odds.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) ORLY? Top 100 Dominican players of all time? Step out on that limb Caulfield, it is safe Where does the brazilian Paulo Orlando fit in here? Oh yea, Royals. Who signed Paulo Orlando? The White Sox should actually get some credit for that...the lifetime WAR of players originating in the Sox system. Or for Rienzo, although he probably has a negative WAR. We were one of the first teams to go into Brazil....Anderson Gomes as well. Yan Gomes with the Indians, etc. So I suppose we get some credit for helping to open up that market, although we didn't really directly benefit from it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 08:05 AM) Hanley Ramirez Also see Tyler Saladino's attempt to play the OF in AAA. Also don't think Cal Ripken would have made much of a CF. Peralta would have been pretty bad out there as well. It's just a GENERAL rule, DJ and Farmer bring it up nearly every week. Michael Morse started out as a SS, Thome played SS and 3B, etc. Tyler mostly played LF. Everyone said Peralta couldn't play SS for Detroit almost a decade ago.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 08:10 AM) There was an expose on the Dominican players on 60 Minutes or some program like it, the average developmental time for these kids is 8 years from what they said. It's not just the White Sox. So expecting the Sox to sign a 16 year old and have him dominating the minor leagues in 2 years is really not realistic. But you're going to see real progress out of a kid by the time they're 19 or 20. They've started playing, with very real competition, at the time they were 12-14, signed at 16 usually. I bet if you were to look at the top 100 Dominican MLB players of all time, 97-98% of them were in AA by their 4th or 5th year (at the latest) in a minor league system. At least 50% were up to the big leagues by 20-22. The ones "blossoming" at 23 and 24 are rare indeed. Now you can use the example of someone like Paulo Orlando, who's 30 years old now and has been a journeyman in the minors his entire lifetime as a professional ballplayer until 2015. Those situations are rare indeed, and that's primarily because he spent most of his youth as a soccer player and junior national level sprinter (100 M/4 X 100 meter relay)...so his baseball development was delayed way beyond where guys like Tim Anderson or Lorenzo Cain started.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 07:58 AM) And that was the sound of the goal posts being moved, yet again. Fine, you tell us. What's a realistic goal for when we will have received 5 total WAR out of all our Latin American investments? 2019? 2020? 2021?

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) I was originally against the Rollins signing based on principle alone, but the picture is clearing up a little watching Anderson. He's definitely up and down, but looks like he could contribute. The Rollins signing was a cheap way to cover the first couple months. Had they signed Desmond (or Cabrera to play SS), they would have spent a lot more to cover those 2 months and been forced to keep Anderson in the minors, once again--a top prospect blocked from the MLB roster by a mediocre vet. With Rollins, they could feel good about cutting him and his minor league deal and sliding Anderson in at short. Have you seen their stats this year? Have you seen Anderson's walk rate and struggles with breaking stuff? Anderson's OPS is somewhere in the low 700's for now, but he's going to have to up that OBP. Defensively, he has been better than many expected. The thing about Cabrera/Desmond is that they can play multiple positions and DH. Desmond's not playing SS in Texas, neither is Jurickson Profar, yet both of those guys are natural SS's. The more athletic ability you have on the diamond, the better off you are. Remember when Alexei Ramirez played 2B and CF in 2008 early in the year? If you can play SS, you can play ANYWHERE on the field.

0-9 their last three road trips to those cities. 5-17 for their last 22 AL Central games.

Someone on the Red Sox will have 3-4 homers today? At the rate he's going, Shields can ONLY give up the first two....unless he somehow manages to shut down the rest of that line-up.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 06:43 AM) Latos was not a negative move. In a world where mediocre starters get 12-15 million a year, 3 million is nothing, his April alone made the move worth it. If Rollins played any major part in getting LaRoche to retire, and it sounds like he did, then he was actually one of Hahn's better moves regardless of what he did on the field, and that's not including anything he might have done for Anderson and Saladino as a veteran presence. Beckham for 2 million was also fine, he was worth 0.3 WAR as a bench player, he earned his small paycheck. I also think people way overrate how bad the Duke move was, and it's hilarious that Greensox is mad that the Sox traded over the hill veterans in Rios (no he didn't help win a title, he was one of their worst players), Thornton and De Aza, way to talk out of both sides of your mouth. Latos was too cheap. If Hahn signed him for $6-8 million, he'd still be the 5th starter and we wouldn't have traded for Shields...spending another $27 million in the process. Greensox also failed to include not seeing any VALUE in Junior Guerra, he of the 4-1 record for the Brewers and nifty ERA. Really pushing it to argue Rollins influenced LaRoche to retire, we might as well blame Chicago schools and Rahm Emmanuel. Omar Vizquel in 2010 with Alexei he was not. If you really want to argue what would have been the BEST possible way to spend money this offseason, it would have been Asdrubal Cabrera at 3B and Desmond at SS and then Pearce/Raburn/Alvarez to share DH. Not necessarily playing Saladino or Sanchez this year, because the first two players would have made the major league team much more competitive in 2016. Obviously a lot of GM's passed on both those guys. A lot of smart GM's signed the likes of Gordon, Upton (finally heating up) and Heyward, too.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 04:35 PM) Actually let's list names. That sounds fun. So it looks like the meme's about ignoring entire countries are BS. Recent signings by country, since the theme seems to be just drop whatever you think is right without any research: Venenzuela Joxelier Garcia Edinxon Arias Carlos Diaz Jhoan Quijada Carlos Perez Ylexander Villarroel Juan Acosta Harvin Mendoza Domniican Republic Luis Castillo Yeuris Guerrero Luis Ledo Eriberto Percel Makier Feliz Felix Mercedes Ricky Mota Armando Nunez Micker Adolfo Hanleth Otano Victor Done Yemilson Peralta Fernando Tatis Jr Cuba Andres Sanchez Mexico Salvador Villarreal Columbia Jhoandro Alfaro They're just names until they at least reach Winston-Salem...or start showing up in the Top 10 list (Adolfo briefly made it, but probably wouldn't have in most systems with a lot of depth/talent) Whether it's 50, 100 or 150 names, doesn't matter unless we can see what other teams thought they were worth or what other teams were willing to invest in them if the Sox didn't sign them first... And what were the signing bonuses for all those players, compared to the rest of MLB team expenditures internationally in the last 3 years? It's not the ONLY indicator, but it's an important one. Ynoa and Sano, for example, were the two highest paid out of the Dominican the year they both signed. Ynoa actually set a record with his bonus.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 06:31 PM) That you think the last 2 drafts have been good is an opinion, not a fact. How's Fulmer looking, in your opinion? We're investing internationally? The Cubs, RedSox etc invest. I believe Hahn himself said that he's paying a whopping one big bonus. That's not an investment - that's doing the minimum. But you asked for facts: 4 players for 1 season of Shark (we now have to include Ynoa and Burdi in the equation) A top 100, a CF who raked (possible NL rookie of year) and another prospect for 2 years of Frazier. Hopefully Frazier can hit .220 Two pitching prospects for sub .700 OPS Lawrie (despite having promising youths Sanchez and Saladino on the roster). Thompson's not going to win NL Rookie of the Year, it will be Diaz with the Cardinals...he MIGHT end up Top 5, but more likely 6-10 Signed Keppinger, Latos, Rollins, and Bonificaio ($3 mill!!!!) all of whom had to be DFAd. Also signed Beckham for $2 million you forgot Paulino and Downs Gave De Aza and Thornton away for nothing; both had productive years left.arguable, DeAza is terrible now and Matty was never the same for the Sox after Thome took him deep in late 2010 Traded Rios for Leury Garcia; Rios helped the Royals win he Worlds Series. no Royals fans would agree with that, he was their worst signing by far Signed Adam Laroche. Horrible, then put on a clownact, and Hahn's boss had to step in and fix the clubhouse. Signed Albers, and Duke, both of whom have been mediocre Albers, based on expectations, has still been an overall plus, and Duke two days ago turned in his best performance ever...and, if you look at Soria for $25 million/3 years, it's not the WORST reliever contract out there, but not a good one either Robertson has done his job. Signed Melky Cabrera - okay this year, terrible last year; can't play defense Kept Ventura and Cooper around Traded for Shields 63, 73, and 76 wins under his leadership. 1 post-season in a decade from he and Williams. Facts Of course, before most of that, he got Eaton and Abreu. Then he decided that declining veterans were the better use of resources.

I'm pretty sure he means the number of runs scored probability is higher with hitting away at runners at 1st and 2nd no outs (three hitters swinging away), than with 1 out and runners at 2nd and 3rd.

Let's just hope he is reasonable about it and doesn't refuse to go on the DL...maintains to the press/media that he's perfectly healthy physically and there's something ELSE wrong. With his previous teams, he was always a leader and always about winning first and foremost, so even can see that going out there every five days, at least the way things are sliding now, is probably going to be detrimental to his team's short term interest in staying in the playoff or at least wild card hunt.

http://m.mlb.com/video/?content_id=8464707...c_id=vtp_review Looks like the White Sox caught a break on the ball by Bogaerts. The fans' hand makes contact, deflecting it almost straight down. Not 100% it would have cleared the red line, but that fan interference kept Ynoa and the Sox from losing a run (and preserved the one run lead). Nice to see a huge call go the way of the Sox, normally in Fenway you'd think the Red Sox would prevail, well, just because.

Sox doing themselves a favor, and doing a favor the rest of the league too. ???

He's concentrating on pitching to contact so he can go further into games and save the bullpen!!!

Robertson has the 9th.

Well, the Samardzija trade FINALLY paid off in a productive way. Besides Burdi POSSIBLY being the future closer.

---K this review policy. Should just be UNLIMITED....ridiculous for the pitcher to have to sit out there in this situation.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) No, you're a bad fan because you want the team to lose. You are probably really cranky right now. No, I want the team to have a plan/strategy/vision. Like GreenSox said, Saladino and some random player will be traded for another large veteran salary...and we'll have no options for replacing 2B, which will lead to more fruitless veteran acquisitions. I'm surprised they haven't made you a moderator yet so you could be the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes "good fans." How about you send out PM's to all the posters in the database who didn't post at all...or were in the game thread earlier and gave up already? That will make them all better fans, I'm sure. If only they had someone to educate them.