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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) At least the A's saw value in him and the Orioles saw goose eggs. Because sending Danks out there is so much wiser than a pitcher with a 2.66 era in 47 ip so far this season. Great reasoning...we have too many overpaid starters in Shark and JD, but we're stuck with them so screw the future.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:41 AM) i disagree, when the salary was hitting 110+ mil in the 90's, all they needed was another player. now the results of that investment would reap many layers of improvement in the financial aspect of business. 1 yr of a lost on profit, which can be turn around as a win - loss margin for over the past 3-5 yrs. profit range. then the improvement in the fan base, the sells of those increase in all the side companies, food vendors, drinks, parking, parking, incidentals. now with the success, the corp and commercial success and profits, which will be higher than normal profits. season tickets will sell more, now if the team has a success on the field for a 3-5 yrs span..... that $$$ profit line will increase every yr. the sox will take over chi during the baseball season. all this will increase the income revenue. White Sox will never deliberately operate at a loss like the Tigers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:30 AM) Get off the KW ran out of pieces to land Cabrera bandwagon that you hopped on after an erroneous post as to why the White Sox didn't get him. Besides that was 2 years after KW foolishly gave up prospects for guys like Freddy Garcia and wound up winning a WS, something DD failed to do in Detroit. So John Schuerholz was only equal to KW despite 14 consecutive playoff appearances? Why do we even need Hahn then? Erroneous post? We didn't get him simply because JR didn't want a bad contract in Dontrelle Willis, and Maybin/Miller were both more highly ranked than any prospects in our system at that time. This is like KW saying Robin Ventura almost won Manager of the Year in 2012....making comparisons with DD and Williams. Well, we could have made the playoffs in 2003, 2006, 2010 and 2012. Great almost job!

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) Thanks much. Additionally..wow. Seems like there have been more different ways to spell Frank Montas' name than there were for Fausto Carmona. Or Faustino DeLosSantos.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) Ravelo missed most of this season due to injury, though now he's hitting in his typical fashion (more or less). He might be right around the same level as last time he was on our list, around 10-12 ish. Bassitt, maybe a little lower than that, but the key questions with him were always about breaking pitches, and what he could do with LHH. I'd need to know more about what, if anything, he's done there with his stuff. He could be higher, or not. If we had so much pitching talent that a guy who just shut down the Orioles and has a 2.66 ERA in 47 innings so far this season is only ranked 13-15 in our system, we should probably have one of the best minor league systems in all of baseball.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) Again, you told us in this thread you can't judge managers and GMs by playoff appearances and records. In 14 years if other than Verlander the best the farm produces is: Curtis Granderson, Rick Porcello, Andrew Miller, Alex Avila, Matt Joyce and Cameron Maybin it's really not very good. Other than Chris Sale, the White Sox have done what exactly....it's definitely not very good. KW proved he could run out of pieces to land a Cabrera well enough, or a Max Scherzer. We turned Edwin Jackson into....some dudes from Toronto. The Tigers traded Jackson for who would become one of the five best pitchers in baseball, Max Scherzer. That's really good. Victor Martinez over Adam Dunn, also pretty good. If only JR was rich enough, the White Sox could have done the same thing.....and averaged well over 30,000 fans per game for over a decade. Brilliant. Tell KW to spend another $50-100 million, all our problems will be solved.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) You don't judge GM's by records and titles. You already told us that. LMAO. How many times will you contradict your statement in this thread? Also, what is the state of the Detroit farm system, and how many homegrown players do they have contributing to wins? Seems he is KW like with his prospects. 6 top ten picks in his tenure, Verlander stuck, the other 5 he traded away. He basically is KW with a bigger budget. By playoff appearances or World Series wins alone... He traded Maybin and Miller for Cabrera...a move that KW tried to pull off but couldn't. Dumb trade. Idiotic. Perfect comparison with a typical KW move, though. Do you really expect to win an argument that DD is the same as KW with four consecutive AL Central titles, 3 ALCS, two World Series....that's not even counting 1997. Who do you think was beating the Cubs in 2003? Remember Josh Beckett and all of the young arms they accumulated? Who do you think did that? Who do you think had the Expos with the best record in baseball in 1994, again, largely with all the players he developed in that system before leaving in 1991 for the Marlins. While Dombrowski didn't deliver a title, he did deliver a team that had it within reach during its recent four-year run, losing in the American League Championship Series in 2011 and 2013, and the World Series in 2012; that's on top of an AL pennant won in 2006. He acquired some of the best talent of a generation to make it possible, trading for Miguel Cabrera and Max Scherzer. He presided over some outstanding drafts, the best of which was Justin Verlander, but also producing useful talents such as Curtis Granderson, Rick Porcello, Andrew Miller, Alex Avila, Matt Joyce and Cameron Maybin. On Dombrowski's watch, the Tigers became more than just a going concern, they became a model franchise. He also picked up JD Martinez on waivers and got the best of the Iglesias/Avi Garcia swap. Signing Victor Martinez with the White Sox getting Dunn turned out to be another huge twist of fate for both franchises. Robin Ventura is simply Jim Leyland with less talent to work with....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) Seeing as Dombrowski was supposedly one of the highest paid front office guys in baseball, and he was making $3 million a year, I think your numbers are off. Friedman is making $7 million. Passan and I are crazy people. The Dodgers lured Andrew Friedman away from the Rays by making him the highest-paid front office executive in baseball, with a $35 million contract over five years to be the Dodgers president of baseball operations, according to Buster Olney of ESPN. Epstein is at $18 million for five years, or $3.6 million per season. Brian Cashman, $3 million.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:16 AM) It will be very interesting to see what happens if KW departs for Toronto. If so, I think JR's first call is to Tony LaRussa to try and get him back in the org. If LaRussa is in charge, you would think that McEwing has the inside track. Other than that, it will depend on who is brought in to fill that role. Perhaps JR would make a run at Dombrowski to fill the president role and bring him back to Chicago, that is if he doesn't end up taking Lucchinos job in Boston in the mean time. If Dombrowski is your guy, then you have a much different pool of candidates than you would with KW or LaRussa. The White Sox won't pay a front office exec $10 million per season until around say 2030...

I doubt Dombrowski agrees with the assessment of "some success." Three AL Championship Series and one World Series in the last four years isn't "some" success. That's pretty hard to do. Maybe he didn't feel appreciated. Maybe he wanted a mega-deal (at 59, it may be his last big payday). Ilitch said he released Dombrowski in part to let him pursue other opportunities. I'll tell you this: He'll have no shortage of suitors. Plenty of major league teams would love four straight years of playoffs, even if they don't come home with a ring. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnis...litch/31146965/ Mitch Albom column

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:44 AM) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 11:06 PM) * Amen. There's more to assessing managers and GM's than overall records or playoff appearances. When assessing DD, with the $356 million still guaranteed to Verlander and Miggy come into play down the line when Detroit sucks for many, many years? Who told him to give out those deals to keep his beloved Tigers in the fold? Mike Ilitch. Who told him it would cost Max Scherzer, not being able to resign David Price, Porcello, Fister, etc. Dave Dombrowski If there's one area to get on DD, it's the bullpen circus since 2006 with the likes of Valverde, Rodney and Nathan. Dombrowski's departure will appease those demanding a pound of flesh for the starting pitching and bullpen deficiencies. But the biggest decisions made over the last three years – Prince Fielder's outrageous free agent contract and locking up Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera to high-priced extensions a year before they hit free agency – weren't made on a general manager's whim.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) And we're talking about the Cubs and we're always drawn to compare them to the White Sox. The issue is, of course, that the Cubs are one of the superfanbases in terms of size and following. We simply do not have that. Our more similar comparison would be Houston. Houston had a game where no one officially watched the game on television. They were so bad for a number of years, but now they have real talent. The question is, how good can they be and how good do they have to be to get fans back? If the Astros can survive this level of rebuild, the White Sox can, too. When it all comes down to it, the reality is our owner is a very old man. I can't blame Jerry for wanting to win right now. At this point, any Front Office changes cost the team a year, but every year it feels like the White Sox are wasting away what makes an organization strong to pretend to compete. See: Current situation in Detroit, and why Dombrowski bailed. If the Mets, Royals, Twins, Astros and Cubs can do it....

Where would Chris Bassitt and Rangel Raveo be ranked? Yes, I do realize Chris is over the 50 ip limit for consideration overall. But just for argument's sake. Would he be ranked behind E. Johnson, who's also ineligible?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:48 AM) Well at least now you're supporting strong funding for PP and touting the effectiveness of that funding, so I guess that is an improvement. Except for when the government forces private companies to provide coverage, lol. He's probably against his freedom being taken away in the choice to wear or not wear a seat belt as well... Not about policy or morals or right vs. wrong, it's all about philosophy of government intervention/intrusion. Of course, most Republicans are 100% behind the Patriot Act, except Rand Paul.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:41 AM) When has PP funding for birth control and the like ever been a problem? Beginning in high school I knew girls/dated girls that routinely went to PP for birth control and it was insanely cheap. That was the last 90's, I really doubt things have changed since then. We're talking about rural areas....let's say Boone County SD (Wounded Knee area) and Appalachia. Or the migrant farmworkers' regions, the remote border with Mexico, etc. Urban/suburban areas have the charitable support to supplement government funding...but I would be shocked to find many PP's on Native American reservations, for example. 98% of them must be in cities of 100,000 or more.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:35 AM) You will now be held to this. LMAO. Pick a side . So you're for KW, you're for Hahn...or simply against KW being blamed for everything falling apart when those same offseason moves by Hahn were universally praised as brilliant, winner of the offseason, etc.? Still not seeing what your basic position is, other than arguing with everyone about virtually everything just to play the Devil's Advocate. Other than defending Beckham, Danks, Ventura and Ubaldo Jimenez from criticism, that is.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:32 AM) By the time that the deadline was there, KC had already traded for Cueto, and Cueto is having a better year than Shark. This is the Hahn argument...when he wanted to fold 5-6 weeks ago. Duffy was injured, Ventura was struggling mightily and Volquez was the only one holding that rotation together. Young, Vargas and Guthrie were all worse for wear. That was the time to strike. They would have been buying half a season as well, compared to just 10-11 starts.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:23 AM) excellent find. i was surprise on Hahn and houston gm. but i wasn't on KW. his ranking the right there for all to see. As noted, Dombrowski inherited a 119 loss team...which had an adverse effect on his rating. Huntington has built the Pirates into a perennial contender, as has Moore with the Royals. Hart was considered one of the visionary GMs in the game with the Indians in the 90s. He invented the idea of buying out fa years with their young stsr players. At any rate, DD will likely be the first GM/team president to near a $10 million per year salary.

Kenny Williams ala Dan Jennings in Miami. That would be fun.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:13 AM) Blue Jays are the second wildcard, on pace for 84 wins. I think they'll easily host the wildcard game, if not catch the Yankees. http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/view/wild-card That's a totally different team since the Tulo acquisition, though. Then Price, their confidence just went right through the roof. They'll easily get to 87-88 maybe 89 wins imo.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:04 AM) A lot of those numbers seem far too low to me. Something odd there. Interested in watching Kasich. But it really is sad that the candidates numbered 1, 5 and 6 in the current polling aren't even real candidates. How is Huckabee a real candidate the third time around? Isn't he more interested in his media properties? He wasn't worth $5+ million eight years ago.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 06:48 AM) Isn't the myth that most abortions are obtained by poor inner city women, when in fact the biggest chunk are middle class suburban women? Statistically, that has to be true, but that's never the focus of the media. As far as the middle class goes, there's not many left.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 06:40 AM) There is not a single left-wing PAC I'm aware of that is OK with the position of banning abortions after 24 weeks. Not even for rape/incest, late emerging birth defects or where the mother's life is in imminent danger?

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 06:33 AM) Totally agree with the first sentence. As to the second sentence, the bill that just got shot down in Congress would have taken every dollar that was supposed to go to PP and given it to other organizations that do all of the same things PP does except abortions, so that would not have been true in this case. Which is the point we liberals always make...are all those who are pro-life also willing to adopt all these unwanted kids (or they simply can't afford to provide them a good life) and assume responsibility for them through adulthood? If not, the long-term governmental costs in terms of prison/incarcerations and social safety net programs are going to be at least 20x the cost of sex education and condom handout programs, not to mention health care costs for STD treatment. If that doesn't work, there's always the overpopulation, global warming/diminishing natural resources argument.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 06:30 AM) If you ever run for office, good luck getting funding from any left-wing PAC's with that position. Unless he said six to seven months, when the fetus becomes viable. Doublespeak, of course. You're pro-choice, but you're not expressly pro-abortion. Like when candidates say I would never want my wife or daughter to go through that process (unless life-threatening situation, severe birth defects, etc.) but I don't feel that I have the right as a man to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body.