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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 06:16 PM) You didn't even know he existed a year ago, now he knows so much. Well the good news is he is involved in just about every acquisition. In fact, your link I believe is the exact link I posted when you went on your the White Sox don't use advanced stats bender. How come you didn't say he should be GM then? Oh, BTW, David Glass said the Royals have no idea what they are going to offer Alex Gordon. How th f*** could they have no idea what they ar going to offer him at this point? Because they have to wait and see what other teams are offering first, and then make a counterproposal. Would it be better if they announced today they are willing to offer $60-75 million for three years with an option for Year 4 and/or performance based option based on some agreed upon set of statistical benchmarks? They want to keep both Gordon and Zobrist, which won't be easy. I think not announcing to the media their negotiation strategy for one specific player is different from Hahn and KW not being on the same page about what to do.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 06:06 PM) BS. I love how you think you know the pulse of the White Sox organization. Just because it isn't reported on kansascity.com doesn't mean it doesn't occur. And Laumann wasn't fired, he took another job in the organization. It is a semi retirement, and before you go all JR loyalty, just look at the drafts between 2010-2015 of the White Sox and the greatest most perfect organization ever. I urge everyone who reads this thread to look at them. The White Sox drafted players are far better than what your Royals drafted. The Royals better fire someone. Dayton Moore scouting genius thought Christain Colon was a better idea than Chris Sale, thought Bubba Starling was a better idea than Sonny Gray, thought Kyle Zimmer was a better idea than Francisco Lindor. There's a key difference you're missing. The Royals invested heavily in Latin America and their various baseball academies. They got Salvador Perez for the price of a Honda Civic out of Venezuela. We had the most famous Venezuelan in the world a decade ago other than Chavez yet failed to take advantage by even having an academy down there when 10-12 other MLB teams were doing so. Same with Yordano Ventura, Herrera and Mondesi, Jr. You can afford to make some mistakes in the draft when you have OTHER sources of talent at your disposal. And the jury is far from out on Starling and Zimmer...unless you can predict right now with 100% certainty what all of those players will be doing in five or ten year's time. Lindor looks great, and it would be nice if we could find more position prospects like him. Our Lindor, Gordon Beckham, didn't turn out so well after the league adjusted to him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 06:07 PM) Again, I didn't make the claim that the analytics guy would make a better GM than our current one. So I'll ask you again, what specific skills & traits does Fabian possess that Hahn doesn't? Why would he be a better GM? http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ball-operations He's smarter in terms of baseball knowledge (more years around the game and just sports in general) and a better person without any of the hubris/baggage we get with KW and Hahn trying to work together. As long as KW is here, the relationship with Hahn will continue to be dysfunctional.

Indiana the best 0-5 Big Ten team in many years, and Sudfield a very effective QB. Gave Iowa their best shot...were in the game until the final Iowa first down on the Beathard run. Coleman had a really nifty td catch on fourth down.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 05:36 PM) How is this different/better than Hahn exactly? Outside of the analytics background, most of the other items could be used to describe Hahn. Also, I don't need my GM to be able to conduct an advanced statistical analysis, I need him to understand the findings and leverage them in his day-to-day responsibilities. You really seem to be reaching here Caulfield. I think 99% of baseball people would prefer Hahn to be their GM. As with Ventura, what is Hahn really exceptional at? Contract negotiations. Based on his Kellogg and Harvard Law background. That's clear. Okay, what else? It's definitely not media relations or being on the same page with KW the past 13 months or so. Other than Abreu, Tim Anderson and Adams...where do you think he's made some really strong moves? Eaton for Santiago? Of all the free agents we have signed, Robertson is the only one that's been defendable in terms of actual results, and even that not so much since his best two years with us are being wasted...yet he wouldn't let NY take him back, either. Avi Garcia? Davidson? I'm not seeing many clear signs of success or progress. The only clear win trade of his entire tenure is Avi/Montas for Peavy, and even that's not looking 100% successful. If you believe most other GMs would have passed on Rodon at third, you can include that, or Fulmer this year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) LMAO. He has been around forever. i mentioned Dan Fabian many moons ago when you were ranting about how the White Sox don't use advanced metrics. I am glad you learned something. No, I said they don't incorporate them into all aspects of operations...not unlike the Scioscia/Dipoto argument in LA. Ventura and KW certainly have access to them, but it's not THE guiding principal of the organization, especially in terms of integrating their use into onfield decisions. One area they have literally shifted has been with shifts...being in the bottom ten teams through 2013 and making the biggest jump up of any team in the majors in 2014. By the way, what evidence do you have from conversations with KW, Bell, Hahn and Hostetler they use them for scouting and evaluation? Did Laumann use them? Was he fired for not using them? We all know how old school Bell is, and KW's cut from the same cloth. The irony is both the Braves (Schuerholz/Moore/presumably Nick Hostetler) have always prided themselves on scouting and using their gut instincts perhaps more than any team in the majors over the last 20-30 years.

http://news.yahoo.com/ben-carsons-home-eer...-195358324.html I'd love to believe this will be the end of Carson, Klingon/Worf Jesus with Ben, but will probably have the reverse effect. How can you allow a Biblical inscription with Proverbs spelled incorrectly to not be fixed asap? Tommye 6 minutes ago 2 9 At some point somebody is going to agree with me that this guy is WEIRD (in capital letters). To me it appears that he is his own best fan and is not close to anybody. I am sure he must be wealthy and I am happy for him, but doesn't the Bible say something about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven? It appears that this particular "rich man" has spent a substantial amount paying homage to himself. Everyone has an opinion and this is just mine, but I am leaving Dr. Carson in the same category I put him in yesterday when I was convinced that he and the truth don't seem to be on the same page. Expand Replies (2) Reply

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) What exactly have you read about Fabian that would make you want as GM over Hahn? He's our Luhnow/Megdal. Very experienced with advanced statistical analysis (he's the one who created our in-house proprietary database), but he also has a strong background behind the scenes in scouting and evaluation. He's just not a self-promoter, seems like a very humble guy...works well with others behind the scenes to build consensus. I don't have time to pull all of his interviews and write-ups, but he's impressive.

Let's not forget, Joe Biden almost immediately dropped out of the 1988 race over plagiarism charges. If the authenticity of your personal story comes into question, or you end up spending more time on Holocaust and Egyptian granary questions, it's going to be difficult to ever get back on track, at least based on the way he handled himself in the CNN interview. Trust is easy to lose and hard to regain. Making the media the target only works for so long. At any rate, Trump and Ted Cruz, Rubio to a lesser extent, are the big gainers nationally and in Iowa.

Uh oh.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Are you really tying to discredit Hahn because he effectively leveraged his talent evaluators? No, but I'm also not willing to give him all the credit in the world either unless he was the one personally responsible for bringing those three into the organization. From virtually everything I've read of Fabian, I would rather have him as GM. Obviously, there are going to be various shades or degrees (like when Don Cooper gets all the credit or no credit for the success of virtually every pitcher coming onto the big league roster and even some highly-ranked prospects). Paddy and KW are the ones who personally scouted Abreu more than once, are they not?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-free-agen...WQDBHNlYwNzYw-- Here's the real story of how Quintana came to the Sox. You have two scouts and then Dan Fabian before you even get to Hahn.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 01:28 PM) Bruce Jenner won the decathlon almost 40 years ago. He was considered the greatest athlete in the world. Now that he has transitioned into Caityn, maybe he would like to give being a baseball GM a try. He really impressed the world,as an athlete. That's a truly impressive defense of Rick Hahn. Seems we can't come up with many positives about Ventura or Hahn, so this is the only alternative apparently. The only thing we do know is that KW at one time was very good in talent evaluation and especially extracting surplus value in under the radar trades.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 01:23 PM) all excellent points. the key that you are missing is the cost of diminishing return on any investment, and the players and every contract is being considered an investment. No, because the hundreds of millions of dollars in difference between playoff teams in 2018 and 2019 and our current situation going into a new negotiation...if you take a terrible team that has just traded Sale/Q/Abreu/Rodon vs. the positive vibes the Cubs have going now, who get's the lion's share of the broadcast rights money? You have not only the state of the Sox to consider, but also the enhanced state of the Cubs fighting for those same media dollars. Would you fork over premium prices for the team with the lowest viewership in the majors right now as a tv exec? Why?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) Mella will end up being a reliever. The pick the White Sox will receive is a better return than that. Let's not forget how valuable dominant relievers are right now. If you could have had Frankie Montas' equivalent TODAY for Shark or a 5-7.5% chance at an All-Star or at least another Adams who wouldn't pay off until 2019 or 2020 and you're in win now mode (Year 2) which route would you go?

The only players really worth signing are the ones out of the White Sox price range in the first place...with the biggest question marks going to Ian Desmond and some of those second-tier veteran starting pitchers. You definitely can't emulate Minnesota's veteran fa spending here (except on the position player side, as opposed to Nolasco/Hughes/Santana) where you break open the bank for 2-3 more veterans like Kendrick unless you're truly willing to spend further into the $150s or $160s to close a majority of the holes.

What about Man Soo Lee? That deal doesn't get you Todd Frazier, unfortunately. If it's Anderson or Montas substituted for one of those names, then you're a lot closer. Imagine you're a Cincy fan...would you be excited by anyone there at all other than Adams? Just think of the Shark/Russell deal...or even Donaldson to TOR. There has to be at least one surefire starting position player going back in return and/or more overall prospect talent included.

And what has Hahn done as either an athlete or talent evaluator that makes you feel 100% confident he's the right person to be making these decisions? Other than the Abreu signing, which we always hear was mostly attributable to KW and Paddy's efforts...

They will miss White and Olaseni's athleticism. They have two teams, the veterans in Gesell, Jok, Uthoff, Clemmons and Woodbury...and a collection of freshmen and jc guys. Hopefully losing to a d2 team serves as a wakeup call.

Please fire Ron Jeremy, too. While we are on a roll of corporate bloodletting.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:18 PM) Haha you think this board is too optimistic? A very large portion of posters have basically given up on the next 5 seasons. I see way more pessimism than optimism. Not speaking in generalities about the entire board. Just the idea of judging others for their attitudes, attendance, basically all the aspects of how they follow the team...and then relating that back to blaming the fans for being stuck in a non-compete cycle because they're 1) too afraid to do a teardown and complete rebuild OR 2) too conservative/cautious to spend (let's call it investing for a future rate of return) 15-25% over budget for a couple of years and dump bad contracts in order to recoup that money 2 or 3 times over in 2019 with the negotiation for a new broadcasting rights package. So we're basically stuck in that $120-130 "dead zone" where we're not terrible but not terribly competitive either due to overall weaknesses in the farm system in terms of position player replacements. There are no easy answers if you look at the position they're in, despite many arguing last year's free agents misses and Shark wouldn't impact the future.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:15 PM) I LOVE his flat tax. Get rid of the gawd-damned IRS!!!!!! Thank you Mr. Carson! So far I'm OK with his position on gun control. Give Americans access to weapons but try to prevent people from geting the semiautomatic stuff. Illini ... my uncle pitched for the U of I and I respect the school and your opinions, but I think you are wrong if you don't believe I need a gun to protect myself in churches, lectures, parades, etc. There are loonie-birds out there wanting me dead! -- He wants to give us $2,000 for health savings accounts and get rid of Obamacare. That won't pass anyway, so I don't know why it matters what I think of it. I don't know if that's a good plan or not. I am appalled by health care in the USA and one of the candidates should tackle the bulls*** costs of staying in the hospital. 50 dollar aspirin still the going rate?? -- His stance on immigration seems ok. Those here illegally can apply for guest worker status if they first leave the country and apply. If not we kick them out. -- I wish he would let everybody buy marijuana not just the people who need it medically. -- No abortions after 20 weeks. That seems good by me. That's five months. The baby is pretty much a functioning human being by then. He said gay marriage is the law but he personally believes marriage should be between a man and woman. I want gay couples to have the same rights as marrieds, but hit me over the head with a hammer if you hate me for it, but I agree with him. I just happen to believe marriage should be between a man and woman. That said like Carson said, the law is the law. I don't begrudge anybody. I just think if God wanted gay marriage there would be a biological way a man could have another man's baby. Again I'm no zealot. I'm not against gay rights. All people are created equal. But the formal idea of marriage?? I think it should be man/woman. Sorry. --His foreign policy stance is aggressive enough for me. Step up efforts to stop the militant groups!!! Thank you Mr. Carson. All in all I think his policies are OK. Sorry if I offended with my marriage answer. I guess I'm a bad person for not believing marriage should be reserved for man/woman unions. Nobody at SoxTalk is attacking you for your beliefs in terms of gay marriage. It's called freedom of religion. Now if you were running for elected office in KS, you would be a fair target...but you know as well as I that it will never pass into law in that state.

If it's written in black and white in your official biography, the only one to blame is your ghostwriter...or the teller of the stories, Carson in this case. He had the right to edit it before it was released.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) Freese may not be the answer, but really, who is out there that IS the answer? Fraizer is about the only guy out there that might realistically be traded and even he has some downfalls (cost to acquire, time till free agency). The AA or AAA equivalent of Matt Davidson/Olt but with more contact and better defense.

Go for Desmond or play the youngsters. The time for half measures is gone.