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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) That's blaming the fans? He hasn't said that in years. The team won 76 games last year. So many people act like they lose 120 games every year and complain about it, and then wonder why they can't be more like teams that do lose 100 games a year. Just think, their 76 win season got them that high draft pick you wanted them to have by tanking. So what are you moaning about? They are trying to be like the Royals and be horrible for 30 years. Yeah, sure Rich Hahn's plan after all the offseason additions was to have another protected draft pick...brilliant!!! They need to figure out a way to win, somehow....spend or develop, spend or develop...just come up with something that actually appears to be a logical plan instead of this half assed approach.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:33 AM) AZ is in win now mode and needs bullpen help. The closer market is hot right now so I'd offer Robertson and Garcia for Lamb, Peralta and a top 5 prospect. We'd have to replace Robertson but we'd also free up $13m that could be used to dump Laroche and sign Upton or Cespedes. The DBacks wouldn't trade Peralta for any young Indians' starter (Kluber isn't available). 5-ish WAR, high OBP, young/cost-controlled, they would ask for a lot more than Robertson and Avi would be totally useless in that huge outfield. Undoubtely Quintana or Anderson/Fulmer for Peralta. Why wouldn't they simply have signed KRod and subsequently have kept Peralta, Pollock and Tomas as their OF if closer was really their top priority?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) I am glad article was written. I keep thinking about Quintana. He's a fantastic player. In my head, I keep trying to prove out whether this team will be a playoff team faster with or without Quintana. I'm leaning without. I have no confidence that we can build out our offense through FA, and through trades will compromise building up a deep rotation. He is the only piece that could bring back more as the sum of the parts. Then simply find a Quintana admirer who loves him as much as LaRussa/Duncan and Shelby Miller...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) When do the White Sox blame their fans? Why must you make so much up, and if you hate the franchise so much, why in the world do you keep posting on a White Sox message board? You don't remember KW's can't spend $1 when you have fifty cents quote apparently? Where were you? I hate the way the franchise is being mismanaged and has become nearly irrelevant. Apparently you are in the dwindling minority that feels things are just great and no changes need to be made. Might as well go hang out with Chris Rongey in a luxury suite and sing kumbaya.

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2015/11...n-self-defense/ That makes sense, since his sister left the bar with him and not even the bouncer Puig had the confrontation with alleged anything happened with the sister...nor is she in the police report anywhere. I guess since Trump came around this year, the truth is no longer more important than perception and what people selectively choose to believe. The first incorrect reports have the retractions buried on page 39.

Better yet, where is there a successful professional sports franchise that blames their fans so much...more than themselves? Name one. The White Sox less than a decade ago had the tenth most valuable franchise in baseball. Where are they now? Something like 17th-19th? Now why would that be?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) The fans are fickle, excuse-makers though. That's not an opinion though. It's a fact. How is this level of team performance acceptable anywhere other than Wrigley, St. Louis and Fenway? Did Mets' fans support their team in a much newer stadium before this season? Not so much. Milwaukee is about the only other market where the fans support the team regardless of on-field performance. Of course, they also have a nicer facility from a fan standpoint. Did Twins fans react any differently in 2014 than White Sox fans in 2012, once again, in a much newer stadium? Not really.

Puig hasn't done anything yet to get in trouble or cause an intl diplomatic incident. Hasn't been kidnapped by his former buscones, either. Wonder if Abreu's recruiting him, Cespedes or Alexei...to be a fly on that wall.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 08:24 AM) Interesting 3B candidate who should be relatively cheap. Lawrie could slide to 2B. A back-up plan if we don't land Frazier, perhaps? But not a plan that you can easily sell as seriously competing this season...

The word "rebuild" has always been a touchy one on the South Side for leadership and fans alike. Not only does Jerry Reinsdorf whole-heartedly believe in building a winner annually, the front office is also subject to the fickle nature of the White Sox fan base. While executives Jeff Luhnow and Theo Epstein have popularized an embrace of being utterly terrible to build a winner through draft pool allotments, the White Sox lack the fan base that would wait around for such a grueling process that results in a non-guaranteed chance at winning. First, this whole fan shaming thing is getting old. Houston had lower tv ratings than the White Sox, a zero share in some games, but they stuck to their plan and saw it through and even succeeded despite seeming mistakes like Mark Appel instead of Kris Bryant and the whole Brady Aiken fiasco, which might have ended up working out in their favor. Second, comparing David Robertson to Kimbrel or Chapman is a bit of a stretch...just like Quintana is overshadowed on the national level because he's not a radar gun destroying flamethrower, Robertson similarly relies on a pitch that is deadly effective when it's on but one that also tends to degrade his other pitches and the overall effectivenesss of his repertoire over the course of a season. Assuming a Miller or Kimbrel return of prospects is a fantasy and more importantly a concrete admission of failure by Hahn. Third, pretty much any plan is still mitigated by the fact that Ventura remains huge question mark in terms of his overall effectiveness as a manager and motivator. At best, the jury's still out. Meanwhile, Maddon and the young Cubs can seemingly recruit anyone they want to the other side of town. Not a pretty comp right now. Fourth, almost every value priced free agent in the last two to three years has led to no payoffs like we always try to sell ourselves on in the offseason as the backup or fallback plan. Zach Putnam or Soto weren't even cashed in on...Petricka, etc. Hahn has signed maybe 12-13 guys and none of them have been effectively leveraged. One of his most controversial moves remains the decision to hold onto Shark last July. Finally, JR is JR. Until they prove they're willing to take advantage of the fact 45% of MLB teams are limited this international cycle in spending and "go for it," they will always be playing catch-up with the more risk taking, bigger budget teams. The only real evidence is going over for Rodon and Micker Adolfo, so it's hard to see much substantive progress at the moment or on the horizon and we're seemingly stuck in the middle...outside a Top Ten protected draft pick and still closer to the basement of the AL Central than competing for a wild card spot.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-...l-change-846918 Looking at $200-240 million in US, which would be almost three times the previous December record.

No way. Not coming to China until January, and it's not really a known property in the sense that the first three movies came well before the movie theatre build-up here in the last decade. If too many pirated versions show up, grosses will fall a bit but most will still desire the genuine movie-going experience regardless since it is being billed as such a huge, earth-shattering tentpole event.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 02:23 AM) Is Barry Hinson popular yet? How are they doing this year? 12-15 years ago maybe...

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 06:48 AM) He should have been up opening day 2014. The cub sucked and if Russell was ready this year Bryant was ready day 1 2014. The money saved with this move was given to Heyward in a serious overpay You mean the Lester deal last year? That probably ends up as the worst move...or the last two of Zobrist.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/review-star-wa...-123136679.html Very positive, complimentary review, slight/mild spoilers...basically stating the Joseph Campbell good vs. evil mythicism is dialed diwn on a notch or two but everything else fans of the first threemovies fell in love with is back in its proper place.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) The Yankees claimed Robertson off waivers, we couldn't have gotten any prospects from them, only options were to pull him back or let him go and have them absorb the entire contract. They can't sneak a player or two back as PTBNL's (maybe a pool of 2-3 players is set at that time, and they would be able to choose 1-2) after the season is over? Hmmm.... At any rate, the White Sox are currently 19th-21st in terms of betting odds for the World Series title in 2016. Not surprisingly, the Cubs are 1st and Giants just moved up with the Cueto deal. Red Sox are 3rd and surprisingly the Yankees are barely in the top half. Orioles and Angels really need to make some moves. https://sports.bovada.lv/baseball AL Central Tied for 4th--KC Tied for 14th--CLE Indians/Detroit Tigers Tied for 19th--White Sox/Twins/Orioles

Prince Fielder at 378 Yunel Escobar amazingly was 375 but already traded/acquired David Peralta with the D-Backs has been the target of lots of trade speculation but not sure if we match up for a trade Nick Markakis has that high OBP, but lacking in power and declining athletically/defensively...around a 2 WAR type who's owed $31.5 million for 3 more years AJ Pollock was the reason they traded away Eaton, so probably not Christian Yelich with the Marlins is an interesting name would be a very expensive target in terms of prospects Adam Lind fit this mold perfectly...but not a logical get for the White Sox in terms of our current personnel, last offseason would have been the moment (instead of LaRoche) Logan Forsythe with the Rays, but good luck acquiring him for less than the kitchen sink Dee Gordon and DJ LeMahieu have been talked about a lot around here in recent months... Carlos Santana, although the Indians are unlikely to risk trading him to a divisional rival

Fielder is like a much more expensive version of Ethier, in the sense that acquiring him for another team at least becomes arguable or debatable because of his performance recovery in 2016...but...you're still looking to give almost nothing in terms of prospects and also get back X amount of that salary in return to make it more palatable for the ownership group. Something like the Thome deal for the White Sox, where they had to open up a spot for Ryan Howard and Thome was also perceived to be damaged goods to an extent as he was rehabbing from an injury and full recovery wasn't considered a 100% certainty at that time. In general, it's probably a risk to be avoided because of the long-term commitment and uncertainty about how Fielder's health will hold up, but making one of these types of moves (more financial than prospect-based) would be more attractive to the fanbase. Still, highly unlikely, especially with LaRoche, Abreu, Cabrera and Avi already representing four DH's. Micah Johnson, if you want to think outside of the box and include a fifth.

Wouldn't it have been a lot better to have traded Robertson's relatively higher salary to the Yankees last July, gotten a prospect or two back, and then spent a lot less on K-Rod for this year? Even if we were able to trade Robertson for Puig+, which is dubious...you'd then have Nate Jones or Petricka as your closer and that's going to end up with so-so results at best.

You're way overvaluing David Robertson's appeal...he's not in that same elite class as Kimbrel perception-wise and his stuff fell off in the second half of the season appreciably.

1) Doesn't take into account ticket subsidies that kick in at lower attendance levels. 2) Doesn't fully consider opportunity cost of lost Samardzija pick and loss of talent for Frazier...as well as impact of being forced to trade two of Sanchez, Saladino and Micah when Lawrie is pushed to 2b. Doesn't consider possibility of those traded players being a part of core in 2016-2021. Or replacing Cabrera, Lawrie and Frazier after 2017, as well as a new catcher before that season. 3) Doesn't fully consider injury possibilities with Melky, Frazier, Avila, Lawrie, Eaton, Sale, Q, Rodon and Abreu. 4) Doesn't consider higher revenue sharing percentages that strongly benefit teams like the Marlins...the flipside possibility of being even more profitable with a teardown. 5) Should also include something about impact on 2019-2020 media rights negotiations...although a teardown now could also lead to very competitive teams in 2018 and 2019 depending on the maximized talent/trade acquisitions being made.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:40 AM) Again, this is all predicated on Melky regressing toward his career averages. Cue Balta...

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:14 AM) Quintana and Rodon has more value than all 3 of those players. Cozart's value isn't that high coming off a torn ACL, not that great of a hitter, but has a solid glove. Cozart's value is probably equal to or less than what we traded for Lawrie. Also, in my original proposal for Frazier and Cozart, I did include Anderson, AND Montas, Micah, and Avi. That's 2 top 100 prospects, a possible replacement for Phillips at 2B, and an OF with MLB experience that still has potential. I did also mention that Thompson could replace Avi in the deal and LaRoche and Avi could platoon at DH. The Tigers and I think one other team already moved Suarez...I'll put it this way, trading Cozart or Mesoraco at all-time low values would have been the equivalent of us trading Avi before 2015, which would in hindsight been the wiser move in terms of trade return. That said, both those guys have put up much more impressive stretches of performance at the big league level than Garcia. Cozart (healthy) has a ton of value for defense, alone.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) I will give you 4 to 1 odds. I will not post for 4 years if Gordon goes back to KC. You don't post for 1 year if he goes elsewhere. That is the low end of your odds and you weren't going to post until Ventura was fired or KW left anyway. Make the deal or stop with your BS percentages. No one cares about the Royals in the Todd Frazier thread. Lol. You already lost the Gordon Beckham bet two years ago but kept on your determined warpath trying to convince everyone of Don Cooper's mediocrity.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) Please do. I wasn't tearing the team apart. I basically said s*** or get off the pot. And if now Gordon just won't happen, how come 15 minutes ago it was a 25-33 percent chance? Heyward staying with the Cardinals was roughly a 50/50 proposition (they offered more money) but that didn't happen, either. I can guarantee that Gordon stays with KC if they offer the most money, compared to the Heyward case.