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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 04:32 PM) He's a very, very good defender and doesn't really have any offensive weaknesses. I do agree that with his age he likely won't be worth the money. Heyward is basically Gordon except 6 years younger. Except for the fact his OPS numbers each year are 100-150 points lower than he was originally projected at. He's not that guy who hits 30-40 bombs or a future/potential superstar. He's a very, very fine all-around player, but worth $200 million? Not to the Sox.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 04:32 PM) He's a very, very good defender and doesn't really have any offensive weaknesses. I do agree that with his age he likely won't be worth the money. Heyward is basically Gordon except 6 years younger. Nor is Heyward worth twice as much, especially because he'll also receive those favorable opt out clauses. Imo, the bigggest fool's gold/paying for offensive potential that likely will never be realized example on the market. Even more than Price and Cueto on the pitching side. Not that it will happen, but taking two of Gordon, Cespedes, Chris Davis, Zimmermann, Cueto, Zobrist (shorter term obviously) or Upton vs. one of those three (or Greinke) is almost always the more pragmatic Cost/Benefit Analysis play. But the White Sox won't be playing that game.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) Holy f***, another thread ruined with nonsensical Royals commentary. I appreciate the mods effort to curb it, but it's really starting to get ridiculous. Caulfield, you seem like a very nice & intelligent person, but for the love of God stop derailing every thread with the Royals propaganda. Fair enough. But I also hope we don't have to read a stream of constant criticisms of White Sox fans as a primary excuse for why their team is being run so poorly. Basically, the idea that we should still loyally go out and buy tickets just because of 2004-2006 even though we're now a full decade removed from that time period. Or that we have to adhere to others' conceptions of what is the model or ideal Sox fan. For example, Lip has faced a lot of criticism here for speaking out honestly or in a "dark cloud"/pessimistic way. The idea we have to always be optimistic is equally annoying. If you follow Sox baseball at all, you know he's a true fan. And that's the only thing that matters, or should matter. So, to summarize, I'm happy to praise the front office when they do something well, such as Abreu, Eaton or Rodon. On the other hand, Hahn hasn't provided many reasons for us to trust his baseball instincts, especially as it relates to the coaching staff (or we simply have to believe KW is meddling in every organizational decision and Hahn is willing to accept the same scenario that just drove AA from Toronto). At any rate, the clock is ticking. Back to our topic.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 03:11 PM) Yeah I'd rather sign Freese than trading for someone else giving up significant pieces. If they were to give him $30-35 million guaranteed for two years (and some in the WAR crowd would justify it, surely), there wouldn't be much joy in Mudville.

Sanders can never win. Very little support outside of white liberals at this point. Two, any American connected to the word socialism is doomed at the national level, or at least critical of the concepts of capitalism. Three, his support of and various meetings with left wing military dictators...the anti-Reagan, essentially. Finally, he proudly honeymooned in Yaroslavl, Russia, during the height on the Cold War. Having been to Yaroslavl myself, it struck me that this alone would be used mercilessly by the GOP in a general election campaign. Sanders is a non-starter, so is Carson. Trump still has a non zero but rapidly closing opportunity.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:22 PM) It's funny, Hawk's a joke if he says something you don't agree with, but you use him as a source when it suits you. I do trust him more as a judge and arbiter of pure baseball talent than Rick Hahn, so there's that.

It was due to all those Phil Rogers articles. Unfortunately it didnt help much with Granderson, Kipnis or Zobrist, three more local products. We did get Shark, though. That was cool until the regular season actually started.

Ben Carson has the roughly the same odds of winning the presidency as Kenny Williams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:59 AM) So 6 years into his tenure, with the Royals 134 games below .500 from 2007-2012, even though you weren't posting, you were probably thinking the Royals organization was as inept as you perceive the White Sox organization to be right now. The good news is, KW, RH, and JR should be geniuses in a few years, considering his first 6 years at the helm, he didn't have 1 team win as many games as the 2015 White Sox. Alas, we don't have a Top 5 or Top 10 farm system to draw from despite six (going on seven) abysmal seasons in the past nine. I seem to remember everyone (including Hawk) predicting how good they would be, it just took Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain and Gordon a couple more years than predicted to finally put it all together. How many games under .500 was Epstein at the 3-4 year mark with the Cubs? Was he also inept because of all the losing? The Cubs at least were in the playoffs (twice) within five years of the beginning of his tenure. It wasn't a completely hopeless situation that every fellow GM advised him against the challenge and the very high probability of failure/career suicide.

Greg appearance to defend Carson in 3, 2, 1.... Well, probably after midnight.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) If the front office could make that dream come true, they could skip Kendrick. Upton and Davis would make the Sox offense formidable enough, that they could live with Sanchez at 2ND, in order to solidify the defense. Sure, for roughly $200 million...or the current going rate for one of Greinke, Heyward or David Price. And I'm still not sure with how inconsistent Davis has been....along with buying high again. 2014 should scare everyone to death when you talk about the potential biggest contract in Sox history by a decent margin. You get your LH hitter, but which version are we paying for, exactly?

What's the most recent update with Chad Billingsley? Speaking of rehabs, I remember last year Josh Johnson was mentioned a lot (along with Brett Anderson), but seems he's just suffered too many injuries to recover.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) Kendrick would be a nice addition I think. Mark Not at $48 million for three years when we already have three young/cheap potential starters at that position. If he was a catcher, younger SS (Desmond), RF/LF or third baseman instead, then it would make a LOT more sense. If JR had the cojones, he would dump LaRoche and sign Chris Davis and pray. But the odds of that happening in the offseason are miniscule. Thus, no Davis. And certainly no $100 million contract for a very good but not great Upton.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) oh yeah ,..... but his result are of the nl i like the tor sp Estrada But almost all of his numbers were put up playing for the Angels in the AL West...

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) that would be the best option, but i doubt the pitcher would like that. i just saw that lackey was given a QO..... dang. Lackey's 2015 is close to Shark's entire career in terms of war and related peripheral numbers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:47 AM) Just put the Royals stuff in the proper place Royals boy. Right by the pictures you posted of their parade. It is funny, you weren't telling us teams need to hire a guy from the Braves and the Royals were building a great organization at any time before 2014. 8 years after Moore took the job. Then you hopped on the bandwagon, and they can do no wrong. Why weren't you telling us the White Sox needed to be like the Royals in 2010, 4 years into Moore's tenure? I did tell you Jeff Banister was going to do something good with the Rangers. The real answer is nobody really knew at that time...everything was risked on the Greinke and then Myers/Odorizzi for Shields/Davis trade. Just like the Cubs/Astros now recently, they had the best farm system that time, but so did the White Sox in 2000 when they were cruising to a title and how well did thst work out? Very few of those prospects other than Buehrle had anything to do with 2005, at any rate. It took the White Sox until midseason this year to name Nick Hostetler...so while I was a bit late, the White Sox didn't do any better, either.

On the other hand, if we want to put more pressure on China to continuing to use their capital reserves to shore up weaknesses in the yuan, we're winning that policy confrontation. Of course, in the end, a much lower RMB leads to trade wars, matching or competing devaluations in SE Asia and the further dumping of cheap/subsidized products on the rest of the world (see Sinosteel vs. Tata in England) to meet impossible government GDP growth targets of 6.5-7% for the next five years. Good for Wal-Mart customers, bad in general for fair and equitable world trade.

By that line of reasoning, KW should have a permanent seat as GM/president. It also discounts the incredible helpfulness of playing in two consecutive World Series/es for a fanbase. Those win numbers quoted, not unsurprisingly, don't include the postseason and 11 extra wins that perhaps are just a bit more important than regular season games. Consistent performance. Not part of the Sox history. If we got to the World Series again in 2006, we wouldn't now have to read hundreds of posts blaming White Sox fans for their current situation. We all should appreciate Ozzie, Cooper, Hahn and KW more for their contributions in 2004-2006. Got it. And we should also ignore one of the biggest media markets in the US vs. one of the smallest and compare them as if they should be on equal footing somehow.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) KW's quotes about the Tigers being in a better position to compete were made in December of 2007. 2008 AL Central Champions were the White Sox. Turns out he was correct, and even in hindsight, your ripping the White Sox trumps the truth in your mind. But he was also quite wrong, because the addition of Miguel Cabrera (and our inability to counter Maybin/Miller at that time) tipped the balance of power in the AL Central permanently this past decade. We might have won the battle (more like survived) that particular year after Quentin went down, but all that accomplished in retrospect was pushing back the rebuild, subsequently adding Peavy, Rios and Dunn...how was he actually right because 2008 now and the Blackout Game far outweighs getting destroyed by the Rays and also 2011-12-13-14??? Okay...KW was right I guess.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) Oh, is that why you led with "if I were the Royals..." Because you know, that totally makes sense that you were examining it as a cross comparison to the white sox when you went on to talk about what the Royals should do in a thread you created about THE WHITE SOX OFFSEASON in a WHITE SOX MESSAGEBOARD. My bad in misunderstanding, here I was thinking you do it all the time And I've said the same exact thing here about the Twins, Indians, Tigers and Cubs as well. "If I were the...."

Because those are two more of the buy low pitching candidates available on the free agent market. Every White Sox fan in the world today would gladly trade six abysmal seasons (2007, 2009, 2011, 2013-2015) for having the best record in the AL over the span of three CONSECUTIVE seasons. As it is, we still won't be close to that latter accomplishment and it will be seven abysmal seasons out of the past ten without a playoff reappearance in sight based on every projection of how 2016 will play out.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) But that is not what you did. You randomly brought up the royals and what they are gonna do because you have a 10 second attention span that always circles back to THE ROYALS ARE THE BEST EVER AND EVERYONE MUST RECOGNIZE We know they won the f***ing World Series Caulfield. We know we know we know we know. Stop acting like they are the only team that ever accomplished that feat No, someone brought up Chris Young the outfielder and former Sox prospect vs. Chris Young the pitcher. I did the exact same thing with the Twins in the past, or the Tigers. In order to defeat one's enemy, you must know him/her better than you know yourself and study their ways. Maybe the White Sox deliberately remain oblivious to their competition (KW's quotes about the Tigers now being in a better position to compete with the White Sox serving as a sort of template), but I'd like to believe they are more forward thinking than that.

And we can just as easily look at the same records for the Cubs before Epstein joined the organization and that proves what exactly? Epstein is twice the GM because the Cubs got to the NLCS twice as fast? Looking at those numbers in isolation, you would think it wasn't Allard Baird operating the team for a long stretch under Glass with the smallest amount of resources of any team in baseball. Is the GM of the Dodgers suddenly stupid now because they didn't get to the NLCS with a $300 million payroll and two of the fve best pitchers in baseball whereas in TB he was a genius? All interesting questions, but none of them answer the current problem/s posed by the White Sox roster.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) Here caulfield, there is a place you can discuss Royals all day long and nobody will care http://www.scout.com/mlb/royals/forums/205...sas-city-royals So basically, if someone mentions Alex Gordon as an option for the White Sox and talks about the likelihood of his staying put, they should also have to go to that website as well? It's not a fair question to wonder what he's worth to either the Royals or the White Sox from the perspective of a veteran stopgap in the rotation?

Chris Young SHOULD get more than that, the pitcher, that is... If you look at his overall results over the last two years, and in light of his recent versatility demonstrated in the playoffs, he should be worth $15-20 million the next two, if not a bit higher. If I'm KC, you think long and hard about those numbers versus $10 million 2016 option for Kris Medlen and the very really possibility of his breaking down again after two TJ surgeries. Capuano's the only comparison there historically.