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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) The 20/20 vision on Morales is f***ing nuts. Nobody would look at the 2014 of Morales and think he was worth any sort of pickup and even in his massive "bounce back" year he's still been worth only .9 fWAR. Hell, the Melk man will probably pass him in fWAR by the end of the year. Well, it's hard to compare pure DH guys with everyday outfielders. Better to compare Rios/Aoki/Cabrera/YTomas. Nobody would believe the war numbers Goldschmidt and Rizzo are putting up, they're almost doubling Abreu, who has moved back into the top 30 mlb for Ops. However, if you look at Morales' ops numbers in 2012 and 2013, they're not completely out of whack with what he's doing this year. He was months behind when he started last season and never got comfortable in Minnesota or Seattle...neither which are great hitter's parks.

Nothing could be more entertaining than DJ and Farmer interviewing a Victoria's Secret model. Farmer's apparently an expert on the Body by Victoria collection...says his daughters enjoy shopping there. Taylor Hill grew up in Colorado so of course he asked her about the Tulowitzki trade and she had no clue...at least didn't pretend to know. DJ asked where to view her pictures...."google me!" Touting the White Sox VS collection, lol. Where to find VS stuff....the website! Should have asked her which of the Angels are evil mean super b****es??

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) Not true. College players make it the majors in that timeframe. Drafting is about making ASSETS. Dave Dombrowski was not very good at producing home grown talent but he was a master at drafting power tools and selling high on them before their value expired. He was with the Expos and Marlins, but that was probably before your time... And he was smart enough to take an anomalous/outlying year from Edwin Jackson and turn him into Max Scherzer.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 11:02 AM) Yeah we're stuck with Shark and he's overpaid. Jesus. Shark is going to take every start for the rest of the season because we supposedly owe him the opportunity to get a big free agent deal. Between Sale and Rodon's turns, they better give Johnson some meaningful non-September starts or the the front office will again be stuck not knowing who they can count on for next year. Instead, we're going to keep sending Shark and Danks out there every fifth day, which will benefit the White Sox how exactly? They should even send Montas out for 2-3 starts to see where he's at with his repertoire, stamina and command with big league hitters.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) If we really want to be taken seriously then we need to open the bank a bit for a quality player, Heyward is the type of talent/age combo I could see them paying. You're probably right though, but a lesser player in the same mold would be fine. Maybe a trade for Carlos Gonzalez could be worked on in the offseason. And while the excitement of 80 whatever stolen bases Micah had has certainly hampered, I think he profiles as a .300/.360/.420 type of guy in the majors and batting out of the 2 hole would give us another on base threat behind Eaton and in front of Abreu/Melky. I'm a big fan of the rotating DH because it would allow us to minimize the time he would spend on the field, his weakest area. The same logic could apply to Melky. We can have Cargo this month via waiver claim....but not sure it's the right move to keep adding injury-prone veterans with big contracts. Trading/dumping LaRoche won't be easy at all, and you know they aren't in the business of eating that much money, or Danks would have been sent packing years ago.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:52 AM) My biggest problem with this reply is...it's an argument for why the White Sox can't afford to rebuild, why the White Sox can't afford to do things like have 4 losing seasons out of 5 years. The White Sox ARE about to have 4 losing seasons in 5 years. It no longer scares me. We already, 100%, did the thing we were never, ever, ever supposed to do. The thing that people tell us nightmares about. The thing that will destroy our fanbase if we do it. We just did it, and the end result isn't a roster where you look to the future and think we're going to be a nightmare for other teams. Does nightmare for the fans count? I just read here where all of the Cubs' young players are possibilities to bust....is their being 11 games over .500 at this point solely due to luck, Maddon, Rizzo, Arrieta and Schwarber?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) I'm just thankful that Bryant, Soler, Russel & Castro might all be huge busts. Don't forget Baez and Schwarber. Heck, they're already writing off Almora quite a bit.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:40 AM) I don't think a full rebuild will ever happen, and I think we are about halfway ready to compete now based on the pitching. What we need to be a winning ballclub (imo)- - A new RF. This is a free agency need, I think Heyward fits the bill perfectly with the age/defense combination and his bat plays pretty well. Removing Avi's horrible defense and popless bat is a massive boost to the team. - Micah Johnson at 2nd base. Even with Carlos Sanchez recent hot streak with the bat, I can't forget the amount of time he spent batting under .200 this season and don't think he will ever hit well enough to warrant the starting role. While his defense is stellar I truly believe Micah's offensive profile is something this team desperately needs. - Dump LaRoche and get away from this player profile at DH. A high slugging lefty bat worked when Jim Thome was here - but that was Jim Thome. Adam Dunn and LaRoche have been cancers on offense and payroll. Rotate players through DH and find a strong defensive sub (Carlos Sanchez/Trayce Thompson?) to cover infield/outfield to hide liabilities on defense (Melky, Eaton, Micah) - A 3rd baseman that plays at least league average D and can put up close to a .750-.800 OPS. This is probably the hardest piece to find nowadays. - To continue drafting quality starting pitching. While it seems silly to say I don't have faith in paid professionals producing position players, we haven't had a good one in awhile. I think the key to us getting quality players is to continue pumping out high quality pitching and then eventually deal it off for young, cost controlled players. There's already two problems with your plan. Heyward's going to get around $150 million over 6-7 years. It won't be from the Sox. Micah's main plus attribute is speed, and he's had hamstring issues for two consecutive years...along with the defense, those are two major red flags. If he's not a 30-50 stolen base guy, and he's not Billy Hamilton in cf, he won't last long unless he can hit like Ray Durham. Any talk of rebuilding has to be centered around trading Quintana and/or Sale to be taken seriously.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:28 AM) Past Sox drafts have almost nothing to do with future drafts. Most of the people involved are totally different. Except for the White Sox people doing the drafting. Guess we'll know by 2019 or 2020 about Hostetler.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 10:18 AM) If you look at the Twins over the entire duration of Gardy's tenure, their roster was made up of Morneau, Cuddyer, Mauer, and a bunch of guys that would have been UTL guys on pretty much every other team. They played smart, were agressive, and won games. Analytics and analysis can be overrated. It is still baseball in the end. Dan Jennings uses the hell out of analytics and is 27-41 as the manager of a team that was thought to be near contention when the season started. Mike Sciocia pretty much ran his analytics guy out of town and is one of the best managers in baseball. Yes, analytics are usefull but are not a be all end all of what makes a good manager. You're leaving out Torii Hunter, Jacques Jones, Shannon Stewart, Mientkiewicz, Koskie, AJ, Christian Guzman, Liriano, Radke, Johan, Nathan, Guardado, Hawkins, etc. The myth was the Piranhas, but they had a lot of talent as well. Not just utility guys.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:04 AM) The pick that you are going to get is going to be worth more to the Sox than anything KC would have offered. The package they gave up for Cueto was not really that much more valuable than the comp pick and Cueto has more value than Shark. This pick better make the All-Star team. The last guys we had in that category were names like Lumsden, Whisler, Liotta, Lucy, Danny Wright, etc. As for now, I'm not buying we will get the equivalent of Lamb or Reed, let alone Finnegan.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) Baseball gods are mad at the team for making no trade deadline deals. Carlos Rodon vs. Erasmo Ramirez Go team yay And two game threads as well. Jobu very angry. Will light Rays' bats afire with super powers. Dennis Haysbert will ph and homer off Nate Jones.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:56 AM) So Dombrowski is going to make $10 million a year? Here's a wager you won't take. If he gets $10 million a year, I will take a year off this site. If he doesn't you take a year off this site. Deal? Including ownership interest/shares or equity as part of the president's position, sure.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) At least the A's saw value in him and the Orioles saw goose eggs. Because sending Danks out there is so much wiser than a pitcher with a 2.66 era in 47 ip so far this season. Great reasoning...we have too many overpaid starters in Shark and JD, but we're stuck with them so screw the future.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:41 AM) i disagree, when the salary was hitting 110+ mil in the 90's, all they needed was another player. now the results of that investment would reap many layers of improvement in the financial aspect of business. 1 yr of a lost on profit, which can be turn around as a win - loss margin for over the past 3-5 yrs. profit range. then the improvement in the fan base, the sells of those increase in all the side companies, food vendors, drinks, parking, parking, incidentals. now with the success, the corp and commercial success and profits, which will be higher than normal profits. season tickets will sell more, now if the team has a success on the field for a 3-5 yrs span..... that $$$ profit line will increase every yr. the sox will take over chi during the baseball season. all this will increase the income revenue. White Sox will never deliberately operate at a loss like the Tigers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:30 AM) Get off the KW ran out of pieces to land Cabrera bandwagon that you hopped on after an erroneous post as to why the White Sox didn't get him. Besides that was 2 years after KW foolishly gave up prospects for guys like Freddy Garcia and wound up winning a WS, something DD failed to do in Detroit. So John Schuerholz was only equal to KW despite 14 consecutive playoff appearances? Why do we even need Hahn then? Erroneous post? We didn't get him simply because JR didn't want a bad contract in Dontrelle Willis, and Maybin/Miller were both more highly ranked than any prospects in our system at that time. This is like KW saying Robin Ventura almost won Manager of the Year in 2012....making comparisons with DD and Williams. Well, we could have made the playoffs in 2003, 2006, 2010 and 2012. Great almost job!

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) Thanks much. Additionally..wow. Seems like there have been more different ways to spell Frank Montas' name than there were for Fausto Carmona. Or Faustino DeLosSantos.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) Ravelo missed most of this season due to injury, though now he's hitting in his typical fashion (more or less). He might be right around the same level as last time he was on our list, around 10-12 ish. Bassitt, maybe a little lower than that, but the key questions with him were always about breaking pitches, and what he could do with LHH. I'd need to know more about what, if anything, he's done there with his stuff. He could be higher, or not. If we had so much pitching talent that a guy who just shut down the Orioles and has a 2.66 ERA in 47 innings so far this season is only ranked 13-15 in our system, we should probably have one of the best minor league systems in all of baseball.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 09:12 AM) Again, you told us in this thread you can't judge managers and GMs by playoff appearances and records. In 14 years if other than Verlander the best the farm produces is: Curtis Granderson, Rick Porcello, Andrew Miller, Alex Avila, Matt Joyce and Cameron Maybin it's really not very good. Other than Chris Sale, the White Sox have done what exactly....it's definitely not very good. KW proved he could run out of pieces to land a Cabrera well enough, or a Max Scherzer. We turned Edwin Jackson into....some dudes from Toronto. The Tigers traded Jackson for who would become one of the five best pitchers in baseball, Max Scherzer. That's really good. Victor Martinez over Adam Dunn, also pretty good. If only JR was rich enough, the White Sox could have done the same thing.....and averaged well over 30,000 fans per game for over a decade. Brilliant. Tell KW to spend another $50-100 million, all our problems will be solved.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) You don't judge GM's by records and titles. You already told us that. LMAO. How many times will you contradict your statement in this thread? Also, what is the state of the Detroit farm system, and how many homegrown players do they have contributing to wins? Seems he is KW like with his prospects. 6 top ten picks in his tenure, Verlander stuck, the other 5 he traded away. He basically is KW with a bigger budget. By playoff appearances or World Series wins alone... He traded Maybin and Miller for Cabrera...a move that KW tried to pull off but couldn't. Dumb trade. Idiotic. Perfect comparison with a typical KW move, though. Do you really expect to win an argument that DD is the same as KW with four consecutive AL Central titles, 3 ALCS, two World Series....that's not even counting 1997. Who do you think was beating the Cubs in 2003? Remember Josh Beckett and all of the young arms they accumulated? Who do you think did that? Who do you think had the Expos with the best record in baseball in 1994, again, largely with all the players he developed in that system before leaving in 1991 for the Marlins. While Dombrowski didn't deliver a title, he did deliver a team that had it within reach during its recent four-year run, losing in the American League Championship Series in 2011 and 2013, and the World Series in 2012; that's on top of an AL pennant won in 2006. He acquired some of the best talent of a generation to make it possible, trading for Miguel Cabrera and Max Scherzer. He presided over some outstanding drafts, the best of which was Justin Verlander, but also producing useful talents such as Curtis Granderson, Rick Porcello, Andrew Miller, Alex Avila, Matt Joyce and Cameron Maybin. On Dombrowski's watch, the Tigers became more than just a going concern, they became a model franchise. He also picked up JD Martinez on waivers and got the best of the Iglesias/Avi Garcia swap. Signing Victor Martinez with the White Sox getting Dunn turned out to be another huge twist of fate for both franchises. Robin Ventura is simply Jim Leyland with less talent to work with....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) Seeing as Dombrowski was supposedly one of the highest paid front office guys in baseball, and he was making $3 million a year, I think your numbers are off. Friedman is making $7 million. Passan and I are crazy people. The Dodgers lured Andrew Friedman away from the Rays by making him the highest-paid front office executive in baseball, with a $35 million contract over five years to be the Dodgers president of baseball operations, according to Buster Olney of ESPN. Epstein is at $18 million for five years, or $3.6 million per season. Brian Cashman, $3 million.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 08:16 AM) It will be very interesting to see what happens if KW departs for Toronto. If so, I think JR's first call is to Tony LaRussa to try and get him back in the org. If LaRussa is in charge, you would think that McEwing has the inside track. Other than that, it will depend on who is brought in to fill that role. Perhaps JR would make a run at Dombrowski to fill the president role and bring him back to Chicago, that is if he doesn't end up taking Lucchinos job in Boston in the mean time. If Dombrowski is your guy, then you have a much different pool of candidates than you would with KW or LaRussa. The White Sox won't pay a front office exec $10 million per season until around say 2030...

I doubt Dombrowski agrees with the assessment of "some success." Three AL Championship Series and one World Series in the last four years isn't "some" success. That's pretty hard to do. Maybe he didn't feel appreciated. Maybe he wanted a mega-deal (at 59, it may be his last big payday). Ilitch said he released Dombrowski in part to let him pursue other opportunities. I'll tell you this: He'll have no shortage of suitors. Plenty of major league teams would love four straight years of playoffs, even if they don't come home with a ring. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnis...litch/31146965/ Mitch Albom column

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:44 AM) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 11:06 PM) * Amen. There's more to assessing managers and GM's than overall records or playoff appearances. When assessing DD, with the $356 million still guaranteed to Verlander and Miggy come into play down the line when Detroit sucks for many, many years? Who told him to give out those deals to keep his beloved Tigers in the fold? Mike Ilitch. Who told him it would cost Max Scherzer, not being able to resign David Price, Porcello, Fister, etc. Dave Dombrowski If there's one area to get on DD, it's the bullpen circus since 2006 with the likes of Valverde, Rodney and Nathan. Dombrowski's departure will appease those demanding a pound of flesh for the starting pitching and bullpen deficiencies. But the biggest decisions made over the last three years – Prince Fielder's outrageous free agent contract and locking up Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera to high-priced extensions a year before they hit free agency – weren't made on a general manager's whim.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) And we're talking about the Cubs and we're always drawn to compare them to the White Sox. The issue is, of course, that the Cubs are one of the superfanbases in terms of size and following. We simply do not have that. Our more similar comparison would be Houston. Houston had a game where no one officially watched the game on television. They were so bad for a number of years, but now they have real talent. The question is, how good can they be and how good do they have to be to get fans back? If the Astros can survive this level of rebuild, the White Sox can, too. When it all comes down to it, the reality is our owner is a very old man. I can't blame Jerry for wanting to win right now. At this point, any Front Office changes cost the team a year, but every year it feels like the White Sox are wasting away what makes an organization strong to pretend to compete. See: Current situation in Detroit, and why Dombrowski bailed. If the Mets, Royals, Twins, Astros and Cubs can do it....