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QUOTE (Jake @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:42 PM) Possibly 2 years older? Why does your font look like that? Ｉ　ｈｉｔ　ｔｈｅ　ｗｒｏｎｇ　ｂｕｔｔｏｎ　ｏｎ　Ｃｈｉｎｅｓｅ　ｃｏｍｐｕｔｅｒ　（ｎｏｒｍａｌｌｙ　ｉｔ＇ｓ　ｓｐａｃｅｄ　ｏｕｔ　ｆｏｒ　ｔｈｉｓ　ｔｙｐｉｎｇ　ｉｎ　Ｍａｎｄａｒｉｎ　ｃｈａｒａｃｔｅｒｓ，　ｈａｈａ）．　Ｃａｎ＇ｔ　ｇｅｔ　ｉｔ　ｂａｃｋ　ｔｏ　ｎｏｒｍａｌ　ｓｅｔｔｉｎｇ　ｆｏｒ　ｓｏｍｅ　ｒｅａｓｏｎ．

QUOTE (Jake @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:41 PM) UZR would say that his range, etc. has contributed more positive value than his boneheadedness has subtracted value. He also usually is close to leading the league in baserunning runs added so that does push up his WAR number Ａｎｄ　ｙｏｕ　ｗｏｕｌｄ　ｔｒａｄｅ　ａ　Ｔｏｐ　１００　ｐｒｏｓｐｅｃｔ　ｆｒｏｍ　ｔｈｅ　ＢＡ　ｌｉｓｔ　ｆｏｒ　ｈｉｍ？

QUOTE (JoshPR @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:39 PM) Does that include the runs he's given back with the bonehead plays and bad defense and baseball sense overall? It seems we're trying to justify what can't be justified that is bad play Ａｎｄ　Ｒｉｏｓ　ｉｓｎ＇ｔ　ｅｘａｃｔｌｙ　ｄｉｓｔｉｎｇｕｉｓｈｉｎｇ　ｈｉｍｓｅｌｆ　ｅｉｔｈｅｒ　ｓｏ　ｆａｒ　ｏｎ　ｄｅｆｅｎｓｅ．

QUOTE (Jake @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:35 PM) I should say most of his WAR value comes from his baserunning and defense, but he's far from the biggest problem here. 28 year old CF who can bat his weight, I'm looking elsewhere for a target of my angst 29 and he doesn't really want to play CF. 　Ｗｉｔｈ　ａ　ｌｏｔ　ｏｆ　ｗｅａｒ　ａｎｄ　ｔｅａｒ．　　Ａｎｄ　ｐｏｓｓｉｂｌｙ　２　ｙｅａｒｓ　ｏｌｄｅｒ．

So much for the payoff for trading Quentin, haha. Hernandez might beat us, pitched terribly for the Sox when he was on our side and Simon Castro MIGHT be recalled as a relief pitcher in August/September.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:32 PM) Leading the offense in WAR The tallest midget in the beauty pageant. Seriously, if you were an opposing GM, and had watched his K's, low OBP and horrendous defense all season long....what would you give up for him?

QUOTE (Jake @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:29 PM) I also said that preventable poor defensive play is pretty the main constituent of issue, so we're basically on the same page The problem is when does it simply become "who they are," part of their identity? Like last year, the good hitting with RISP lasted as a trend for 4 1/2 months. Bring back Camp Cora, haha.

Ramirez and DeAza ensuring they are not part of the long-range plans. Alexei, in particular, needs to be shopped around in the coming weeks.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:08 PM) Santiago not have his good fastball tonight? Nothing over 92 mph this inning. I would imagine he's going through a "dead arm" period of his own at this time after not building up his pitch/inning counts and coming out of ST as a relief pitcher. Has to gut it out and bulldog his way through this game.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:07 PM) Pretty much done with Flowers. Not watching the game, but that's PROBABLY 95% on Santiago not paying attention. Did he make a terrible throw...or he just rushed it because the runner had such a good break?

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 13, 2013 -> 06:54 PM) Same guy, yes but I never had a problem with anyone over there. Still post sometimes. Just has seemed dead over there I guess for good reasons. Just want to talk about the white sox as much as possible even though this season has started off rough Surprised anyone lasted for long trying to battle or fight the mods there. Must be a very difficult posting environment. Toeing the company line and parroting Rongey/Merkin isn't much fun to hear, be patient repeated over and over again. I doubt even the mods over there are enjoying themselves...when quite a few have just stopped posting or caring. .

Santiago continuing to impress.

Hmmm...wonder how long Hicks has before he's sent down? The AA to the majors jump is a huge one. As to an earlier comment about not taking more pitches and being too aggressive against Wilson...well, Sale had one of the lower pitch counts of his career, against what was supposed to be one of the best offenses in baseball.

They have to strike gold in typical fashion...except it's going to be the opposite of injecting Contreras, Garcia and Jenks into the equation nearly a decade ago. We need their offensive equivalent...another infusion like 2008-2009 with the same impact of Quentin, Ramirez, Viciedo and Rios coming on board. It seems to go in cycles. Unfortunately, we don't have much margin for error. And I'm coming around to the position that we would be better off with Beckham or Sanchez at SS and selling Ramirez off before we have to eat part of Alexei's contract...that continued OPS decline is worrisome. This year, the Ramirez contract still isn't a bad one...but it's getting worse and worse. He would be a more valuable player in the NL, arguably. We just have to play through July and see where we are. Would be pretty shocking if Alexei Ramirez being on or off the roster would be the single biggest factor in chasing down the division lead. That's all on Rios, Konerko, Dunn and Viciedo hitting like we expect.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2013 -> 05:56 PM) How awesome has Jean Segura been this year for Milwaukee? Good to see the Brewers get a great return on their Greinke investment. Dodgers would be better to stick to their franchise history, which is scouting and development (until the 1990's), not overpaying for aging veterans.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 13, 2013 -> 05:13 PM) You would not trade Sale for Trout or Harper? Irrelevant. They have to keep Trout, he's one of their few affordable younger players. He's stuck, for now. And they wouldn't trade him in a million years unless he was damaged goods, same with Harper in WASH. Those are franchise, once a generation players/superstars. Chris Sale is an ace, but he's not the type of player that will draw 5-7500 additional fans to see him whenever he pitches.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 13, 2013 -> 09:53 AM) Sometimes its better for your stress level to write these things down on a piece of paper and throw it away. Could be therapeutic for you. LOL. If I was so stressed about it, I would just avoid the White Sox completely for awhile like quite a few are choosing to do this year...if something becomes not fun or enjoyable, why bother? By the way, you never mentioned what you think about Bell. Why so quiet recently?

Maybe it's not all that complicated. Opposing pitchers would rather walk him and face Keppinger instead.

Bring back Juan Uribe!!!

Chris Rongey is right. These arguments sounds exactly like the ones from two years ago. Now all we have to do is wait for 2014 to come around so he can break out of his slump again.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2013 -> 08:05 AM) So you tell me that the Kenny Williams is awful at drafting, and to make the argument that Buddy Bell isn't good at his job, you want me to find players that Kenny Williams drafted that succeeded? Oh but wait, let me keep narrowing the parameters until they are soooo narrow that there isn't anyway you can win! LMFAO. FIND A PLAYER DRAFTED IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES THAT STARTS WITH THE LETTER X!!! Finding players that Kenny didn't draft, and that succeeded, is actually a pretty solid argument that Bell isn't the problem here. If the Sox weren't getting anyone young to succeed, then you might have an argument about Bell being worthless, but that just isn't true. Then fine, maybe we should only draft pitchers and concentrate all our other efforts on Latin America, Asia and finding/scouting position players from other teams. I guess it's entirely unreasonable to expect one position player drafted by the organization to make an All-Star team, say, at least once a decade. We would be much better off turning our minor league pitching depth into future Carlos Quentins/MVP-caliber players than hoping and praying for miracles.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:48 AM) Changing your argument already? There were position players in there, at least until you find another arbitrary reason to exclude them too... Back into circles we go. "name one position player success story from the last five years (of any player that we've drafted in that time span)" How about this? There's no point in arguing back and forth. I would love to hear any arguments for why people think Buddy Bell is doing a good job, why they have faith in him and why he should definitely be a part of the future of the White Sox organization. That's it. If you want, you can even argue that Gordon Beckham's defense not being in the line-up has cost us 2-3 wins, and that Bell is responsible for Gordon's defensive abilities. (Well, it would be nice if you could back that up or support it with any evidence or at least a quote from somewhere). Or that Bell has made Conor Gillaspie the success story of early 2013. ETC. If you want, you can even go back 6-7-8 years to the World Series team. Any position player drafted. You're left with an argument that C. Carter or Gordon Beckham are the two best products of our system...non-pitchers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:43 AM) Ummm...other than pitchers that he has almost nothing to do with, and guys like Sale or Reed who were barely in our minor league system for more than a cup of tea....name one position player success story from the last five years (of any player that we've drafted in that time span).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2013 -> 06:49 AM) I'm not sure how you can indict him without a consistent argument. If the argument is that he got nothing but bricks in terms of minor league talent, what is he supposed to do with that? At best the argument is that it is inconclusive. If you ignore everything that doesn't fit into your argument, such as De Aza, Viciedo, Harrell, Reed, Sale, Jones, Beckham, Quintana, Axelrod, Santiago, Richards etc. then it turns into a great irrational rant. What's rational about claiming that Harrell, Jones, Beckham, Axelrod and Clayton Richard are anything special or close to All-Star talent? Are we really so desperate that we're claiming Dylan Axelrod a long-term success story? After all, Axelrod is the shortest RH starting pitcher in the game with the slowest average fastball of all those aforementioned RH starters. In other words, the COMPLETE opposite of every pitcher that KW fell in love with for a decade, either relievers or starters. And when does Bell ever work with pitchers? Isn't his area of expertise SUPPOSEDLY hitters/infielders, since that was his position in the majors, 3B? Was Bell in the Dominican when they were scouting both Ramirez and Viciedo? Has DeAza ever credited Buddy Bell with helping him in any way, shape or form?

All of these arguments will go around in circles because you can argue that Hahn's responsible....well, no, it's KW behind the scenes, actually. It's Bell. No, it's Laumann. No, it's Paddy that deserves credit. JR is loyal to a fault, etc. One thing that has to be true is either they're doing a bad job of drafting position players (scouting, Laumann) or they're not improving any of the players that we do draft, in fact, they often regress or bust. Perhaps it's both. If it's the latter argument, then what does Bell actually do that's helpful to counter this? All we really know to be true about Bell is that he was 1) a bad manager, in at least two places, 2) a proponent of bringing Mark Teahen and Jeff Keppinger on board, from his time with the Royals' organization.