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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) To me, a monster trade of Baez and others (Almora, Vogelbach, P. Johnson) for David Price makes a lot of sense for both teams. Price has hinted he'd be interested in pitching for the Cubs, so an extension might work out. Who has been playing middle infield other than Zobrist for the Rays? TB is also looking into moving Desmond Jennings and possible Loney, so they could clearly use all the young offensive talent they can get. They might prefer Edwards to Johnson, although Baez/Almora/Edwards would be a huge price to pay...that might be the going market. Guess it depends on how the Cubs feel about Soler/Almora as well...if they value Soler's power at the corners or someone with speed/defense who can play CF. A lot of people think Alcantara could play CF. Then you have McKinney (A's trade), not sure what his best position is...but keeping Castro and moving Russell to 2B or vice-versa could be the solution.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) The weaker hitters are always easier to pick when the rest of the lineup isn't doing anything. Today's game is just another example of the Royals owning the Sox. Taking a series just wasn't meant to be. You need to add the Tigers from 2006-2014 to your signature quote about the ALCD.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:36 PM) He's been atrocious in the 7th and 8th spot. Moving him around to get him out of a funk is fine, especially when his only upside is trade bait. And also, nobody else hit today, so not sure Beckham was the issue. Except for Tyler's offensive show, haha.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:30 PM) Batting him in front of Abreu? I think it's a good idea for a guy to see more fastballs when he's in a slump. And he came into the game hitting .303 against Shields with 3 doubles and 2 dingers in 33 AB's. There is some exciting talent on this team but they are far outweighed by some very subpar talent. I can't lay all that on Robin, sorry. And I agree with your point about the mule. When Gordon struggles, that hitch in his swing we've been talking about for years becomes more pronounced and it's harder and harder for him to catch up with 93+ fastballs. He's more likely to get hot against a Bruce Chen type (although I think he was 2/30 coming into yesterday against him) than someone with higher-quality stuff like Shields or even Guthrie.

I guess we can send Viciedo/DeAza and Ramirez to the Mariners for Walker...and gamble he doesn't go down to injury. The M's have all kinds of offensive holes. Other than Cano and Seager, that lineup's a complete mess.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:23 PM) Seattle losing again The dreaded "players only" meeting has worked for the first time in recent history. At least, it does when you're facing the White Sox. I think KC still has another good run in them. The problem is that Ventura hasn't been the same pitcher since that early-season valgus/elbow concern and skipped start. They're stuck in no man's land at this trade deadline.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:23 PM) The Mariners aren't exactly in the market for a 2B. Not really..and they have Franklin playing 2B at AAA. But a trade along the lines of Borchard/Matt Thornton...we might as well include Mitchell so there are two first-rounders going, and, what the heck, K.Walker, so we can clear the decks on 3 drafts.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:11 PM) With Rizzo quickly turning into a superstar, the Cubs offensive potential in a few years is scary. If they were smart, they'd keep Alcantara at 2nd and keep Baez at SS and then trade him for a young pitcher. Trade Baez or Castro? The problem with that strategy is that teams will want to see proof that Javier can play SS at the major league level...because there are lots of LOUD whispers and concerns about his defense. He's still valuable from a trade standpoint at 2B, but not like if he could stick at SS. That's why you have the Cubs preparing to move Alcantara all over the field, CF, 3B, LF, etc.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) I'm all for Semien or Sanchez getting at bats once the deadline hits. Beckham has played himself into a DFA candidate. Except it's the White Sox and Gordon is still a fan favorite to little kids, so they won't do that in all likelihood. It will be something like Beckham for Smoak/Montero/Ackley to attempt to save face for both organizations.

This trade deadline sucks....when Alejandro DeAza after the way he started this year has arguably the most trade value (after Alexei). It's pretty pathetic when the only thing to be excited about for 2 months other than Rodon/Sale/Quintana/Eaton is whether we'll finally be able to get rid of Adam Dunn and who will be the starting SS in 2015. Fwiw, it's still way too early for Micah Johnson. He needs to stay at Charlotte until the end of August, then you can give him some spot starts and PR/PH duties in September just to get his feet wet. You can let Saladino/Semien/C.Sanchez take most of those starts...with Leury mixed in if you still feel he has a future with the organization in the face of all those similar players coming up behind him.

Dunn now with 9 K's in 12 career AB's against Holland. HA. Just go away and leave the White Sox in peace.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) Horrible technique by Flowers. Everyone else did their job, great pitching great throw, s*** job by the catcher who is covered in body armor. Not so sure about that today. DJ now saying you can't expect Putnam to lock down the opponents every game, haha.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) Horrible technique by Flowers. Everyone else did their job, great pitching great throw, s*** job by the catcher who is covered in body armor. DJ and Farmer are blaming it on the fact that catchers can't block the plate anymore...although the replay of course showed that it was simply knocked out of the glove by the knee of Moustakas. Rongey will probably stick with that excuse for Tyler, though.

Of course. Eaton throws him out by five feet and the knee knocks the ball out of Flowers' glove. Hahn better do something about the bullpen and catching situation heading into 2015 or they're going to have 1.25 million for attendance.

Guess first-pitch hunting is the book on Davis... Beckham, sheesh. Has he ever been this bad? Surprised he's not getting booed by now. Just walk Abreu. Wade Davis channeling Cliff Politte 2005.

Why wasn't Ramirez at the bag? Could have had the DP...but Beckham couldn't go to 2nd. Ramirez was shifted too far away from the bag for Perez? Surkamp vs. Ibanez. Uh-oh. Sox baseball this year means a 150ish hitter will get a clutch RBI in the late innings against our relievers. Wow, it actually worked...

What the heck is going on with Beckham? Hosmer is seemingly hurt...guess Yost wanted Ventura to bring in Surkamp but they didn't bite, so Butler PH. Belisario creating his own jam. What else is new? Sox-killer Salvador Perez, of course.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 08:13 AM) Similarly, anyone applying the logic "because players x and y put up solid numbers at AAA and struggled in the big leagues, player Z who is putting up numbers at AAA will also struggle in the big leagues" is also using poor logic. Andy Wilkins would not need to be a dominant hitter to be useful to the White Sox. If he could put up an .800 OPS as a DH/backup 1b who mainly plays against RHP and sits in exchange for someone like Davidson or a corner OF, while also being extremely cheap for the next 4 years, that player would absolutely fill a huge need for the white sox as currently constructed and it would save them from having to spend $10 million+ on a veteran DH to fill that role. That said, I don't know whether he can put up those kind of numbers even in a mostly platoon role, but there is no reason to ignore a possible payoff if he could. Now trying being Brooks Boyer and selling that notion to the fanbase/prospective season ticket holders, unless Wilkins goes off like Josh Fields/Kevin Maas/Shane Spencer/Chris Shelton/Garrett Jones/Tuffy Rhodes for 4-6 weeks. It would be NICE if it happens, but I don't think anyone's holding their breath. Actually, White Sox fans are due someone surprising us offensively, other than Carlos Quentin and Jose Abreu. I could honestly say I'd rather try Wilkins than someone like Kendrys Morales, LaRoche or Adam Lind, for example...that we would end up overpaying because of the dearth of power on the FA market. Would almost rather take a shot at Rasmus because he can also play the OF, but a huge contract for that guy has JD Drew all written over it.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 07:55 PM) A message board for a Chicago sports team is the wrong place to find sympathy for the "pretty cold" Chinese February. I won't disagree about the winters with the wind off the lake. Although, other than maybe Augusta, Georgia, I don't know of a hotter city in the world in July/August/early September than my current location along the Yangtze River valley in central China. Of course, it's not even the heat, though, it's the humidity that kills you. I'll take Texas/Oklahoma/Arizona heat over this every time.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) Somehow I don't think one thing this roster is lacking in is "righties who could platoon at the DH spot". Viciedo, Garcia, Davidson, Semien, Sierra, Taylor, etc. Someone suggested Victor Martinez as a quick fix. Just wonder when he's going to fall off the Konerko Cliff and take a career nosedive? How long can he keep putting up those numbers? It's not like he's playing in Charlotte's stadium, Comerica plays big, especially to CF. Why does it seem like if the White Sox sign him for 3 years he will end up more like Manny Ramirez 2010?

Jeff Liefer comes to mind as a comp, although he was more touted as a high draft pick. Wilkins has never come close to even being in the Top 10 of one of the weakest farm systems in baseball.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 05:17 AM) well WELCOME to the big league. it was only if first start, I like everyone knows that this outing is not going to diminish his potential. btw since we know he may be fast track to the majors, is there a way to post Sale innings pitch and w/l record as a side by side count-down so to speak. since Sale was also fast track as well. man I can't wait for the new top 20 prospect for the sox. I'm not sure how helpful that's going to be, because: 1) Sale signed much more quickly 2) The 2010 White Sox were in the heat of a pennant race and in desperate need of immediate bullpen help 3) Sale's contract stipulated he get a taste of the bigs right away 4) Rodon had an intense workload for NC State and they'll want to limit his innings until the spring

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 09:47 PM) Horrible horrible game. We've lost 11 of 13 to KC in the Cell I think. Disgraceful that a big market team like Chicago can't hold its own vs. KC. Sickens me. Our AA team could beat Chen, but not the parent club. Serious question: Would Bruce Chen be in the major leagues the last 3-4 years if not for the Chicago White Sox? I truly wonder. That's all fine and good, but nobody expected the White Sox to make the playoffs this year...whereas many were predicting the Royals for the WC spot, to beat Detroit and a few picked them to get to the World Series. In the end, if KC loses Butler and Shields (which there's a 98% chance), then they're going to have an impossible time replacing Shields and a very difficult time finding a FA DH...although Butler's been garbage this season, he's still a presence in the line-up. The only time I was really upset about losing to KC was 2003, 2005, 2008, 2010 and 2012. This year, it's pretty meaningless. Might as well get upset about that SM East teacher who tried to throw his wife off a cliff after attempting to knock her on the head with a stone for her family's $4 million inheritance.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 09:37 PM) their local economy would never be able to support something like that. however, I wonder if US had normal relations cuba could become the next vegas and maybe with the tourist number, it might help out, but still to fully support ...... nope. like you said maybe exhibition games and such. Think of the issues the Marlins have with attendance, or the TB Rays (of course, there are other reasons like stadiums and ownership issues). Phoenix/Arizona does okay, and Las Vegas for a minor league team, but the "touristic" type cities (Atlantic City would be another, although you already have the Mets and Yankees, so a 3rd NJ team wouldn't make sense) struggle to support their teams, where quite a large percentage of the population spends more time there October-March.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 02:42 PM) Are the Giants a fit as a trade partner for the Sox? I think Andrew Susac would be an excellent target as a possible long-term solution to the catcher position. He's in AAA and is presumably close to being MLB ready so would fit in with what Hahn has been doing recently. He should be at least average defensively with a nice offensive skillset and is obviously blocked by Posey. Unless they move Posey to 1B. Which would make Brandon Belt an attractive target.