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Seriously, if this were a poll question...and there's no point to even doing one, would you rather have Ozzie Guillen as manager with KW completely out of the organization and Hahn left to run the show on his own or with KW still somewhat involved and ANYONE but Ozzie Guillen as manager, the pro-KW crowd despite the 3-9 or 3-10 (after Price tmrw) end of the season tailspin would run 90-95% against Ozzie. And I really wouldn't be upset in the least if Ventura stepped down at the end of season.

Seriously, I would rather have Marty34 as the manager. Or Konerko as player/manager. Or greg775.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 09:06 PM) I think Guillen, under very specific circumstances, could be a good manager again. Those circumstances are the ones that my guy said, he's burned out, needs to get away from MLB for a year or two, second he needs a team that's ready to win. When he doesn't have that he loses interest. That's why he has his trip to Spain in the offseason, usually scheduled the first day after the end of the regular season since he doesn't actually expect his teams to qualify...but does hope for them to fight for 2nd place playoff 1% pool shares so the likes of Jeff Cox and Greg Walker won't go broke. I'd rather have Jerry Manuel or Jeff Torborg at the front of another youth movement than this nonsense.

And why would anyone believe that a twice-failed Ozzie Guillen would be a good move for this organization? Does Hahn want to wreck his GM career right off the bat? It's insane. The White Sox are even dumber than I thought if they're even considering it. The theory is that Ozzie will return to being a great manager with KW no longer around is preposterous.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:59 PM) Septimo is really bad Ever since the A-Gone homer. Not that he ever should have been in that situation in the first place. OAK tied it up with 2 in the bottom of the 9th against SEA. Tied 4-4 in the top of the 10th.

Looks like the Twins are going to make it interesting. 6-4 going to the 9th. Had a chance to take the lead if Carroll or Florimon could have homered. Started with a Peralta error, of course. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/from-prospect...dGlvbnM-;_ylv=3 Great Jeff Passan story on the MVP of the AFL (2009) who left baseball to become a monk...seems like Billy Beane isn't as bad a guy as some thought. Kind of puts baseball in perspective. Can't imagine that OF with Reddick, Cespedes and Hesme.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:45 PM) Teams I'd like to see win the World Series, in order: - Reds - Nationals - Orioles - Cardinals - A's - Don't want to see anyone else win I don't really like Showalter, but it would be great for baseball in Balt. Just can't see their pitching holding up consistently through an entire post-season, or Johnson. A's, would be quite the career comeback for Billy Beane. After today, the Angels could be only 1 GB if they play the Rangers, with TB 2 back and raring to get to 17 over tmrw with Price. The Moneyball guys (Sorkin/Lewis) would have to write another one if they were to win a World Series and get a stadium finally built out there. This extra WC spot has definitely added some excitement. And don't like Rizzo or Harper, although, once again, great for baseball in the DC area. Baltimore and Washington would be amazing, although not so much for t.v. ratings. And Matheny's quietly done a solid/steady job without Pujols and without much national fanfare or attention. Could be a coming out party for Cueto and Aroldis Chapman.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:39 PM) People on here underestimated how awful of a match-up Tampa was for the Sox this weekend. With the offense in a huge funk, the last thing the Sox needed was to face the best pitching staff in the AL. So who are you pulling for between Oakland, LAA and TB? Who do you most want to see, I would guess you would prefer Baltimore over NYY and Texas? Glad I decided to go on a trip during our 9 day October holidays (October 1st, 1949 founding of modern PRC and Mid-Autumn Festival/Mooncake Day) instead of being stuck at home not listening/watching the Sox in the post-season. I guess right that we weren't going to make it after the Angels' series.

8-4 (Tigers) vs. 3-9 for the Sox down the stretch. Probably going to be 3-10 for the White Sox, as Price has his last chance to make a final statement to the Cy Young voters.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:31 PM) Does a 4 mil buyout of Peavy's contract count toward this year's payroll, or next year's? How do they look at that? I have the Sox at 72.75 mil next year for 8 players. 82.25 if you include Floyd. Next year's, pretty sure. Same for Youk's $1 million. Can't remember if the Astros gave us the money for Myers' buyout or not, would have to look at it more closely. At $9.5 million, with our revenue issues and Gavin's inability to be consistent since 2008, you'd lean towards letting him go, but we've just got too many lefties with Danks, Quintana, Sale and Santiago not to need some balance there.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:25 PM) Sorry buddy, have to disagree with you on this If the season is over, Sale deserves the rest and he's just looking nothing like the same pitcher at USCF he was the first 4 months of the season. Peavy and Quintana have both been pushed to the limit as well. Don't even know who our 3rd starter is right now. Presumably Gavin Floyd. Frankly, it reminds me of an Iowa/OSU football game at Kinnick when I was an undergrad we led the whole way until the final play of the game. Except that shocking, as it happened in just a 3-4 hour timespan and this one wasn't completely unpredictable or unexpected as the trend lines started to develop the last month or so.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:21 PM) Our CF situation is a mess??? What??? If you can't trust him to turn in another good year then you can officially put every single position down as a question mark. Quintana is far more likely to stay in our rotation for a long time than he is to become "2012 Humber." Q is 23 and Humber is 29. Q has done nothing but succeed as a professional baseball player as opposed to Humber who floundered everywhere and several years at the highest levels before catching fire for us. Q has much more going for him and it would be much more of a surprise if he became unserviceable rather than maybe a slight regression It's going to be like Mark Buehrle Version 2.0 the first 2-3 seasons of his career. Nothing will be given to him, he's going to have to prove himself year after year. To me, one area he REALLY needs to improve upon is fielding his position. He's another verson of Clayton Richard, and not in a good way. And not sure how much of it is further coaching, and how much of it is he's just really bad at that aspect of the game. But he's been a gamer and bulldog for most of the season and showed up in key situations where veterans were spitting the bit.

Game and likely the season over in Minnesota. Cabrera ties Hamilton with 43 homers, Triple Crown looming. Line drive blast, 5-0.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:20 PM) Monday night? Que 'Taps' ... It's over Which is more unlikely, 1-3 or 0-4 from DETROIT or 4-0/3-1 from the White Sox the next four? Both seem completely improbable. Especially with David Price going tmrw.

Tigers with runners on 1st and 2nd, no outs and Cabrera/Fielder due. Would be shocked if they escaped from that situation. Former Tiger Casey Fien coming in to try to put out the fire.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:13 PM) 4 straight innings the Twins got the leadoff man on, and no runs scored off of Verlander. So much for all the innings catching up to him. And no longer vulnerable on the road, either. That Royals game is looking more and more like a career aberration game and not a sign of a trend against him developing. And Katie Upton didn't serve as enough of a distraction, either.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:07 PM) No idea, but if they slash payroll, I wouldn't blame them. The harsh reality is that the Sox weren't supposed to contend this year, and this was to be a rebuilding process for a few years. I highly doubt they're going to go out and go "all in" this offseason and try to get someone like David Wright. I forgot who said it, but Sale really should be the only untouchable this offseason. And some are going to argue that it's better to leverage him for prospects as he's an injury risk and that we'll only have him for possibly one or maybe two years (2014/15) when we're going to be legit contenders in the AL Central before he leaves via free agency. That's the pessimistic viewpoint. I wouldn't trade Viciedo, simply because I think you're not going to get a good enough return and he deserves another year to prove what he can do before any conclusions can be reached. Same thing with trading Quintana, who's just as likely to go 2012 Humber as be a core member of the rotation for the next five seasons. Santiago, no idea what to expect out of him or what his role might be. 3B is a mess. CF might be a mess if we stick DeAza out there again. Catching is a mess if Flowers is your plan without a back-up who can play everyday or at least platoon. Suzuki and Jaso have been mentioned quite a bit, there have to be some others we haven't thought of. We've got a ton of question marks surrounding our starting rotation and Konerko's health and age as well.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:05 PM) Can you ignore the strikingly large amount of production he's given us? Do you not like that he's been arguably more productive than our 4 hitter while playing the most important defensive position better than anyone in baseball? How many starters do you want? Sale, Buehrle, Danks, Q, Power Starter, Floyd, Roger Clemens, anyone else? Trading Rios and then adding a bat would make no sense I would take Alcides Escobar in a heartbeat over Ramirez at this point in their careers. But that's a pipe dream.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 04:02 PM) I would assume season ticket sales will be 4000 less than this year or so cause of the lousy economy. Sox may need to make a splash and add somebody, anybody who might sell tickets. I'd bring back Buehrle for ticket reasons, get Miami to pay some of the contract and try to add a power starter as well. And if you can trade Rios, do so and try to add a bat. It will stay about the same. There's no way we're losing 20-25% of our season ticket base. If it was going to happen, it mostly happened coming into this year. Buehrle's not going to sell ANY tickets if the White Sox are +/- 5 games of .500, any more than Youkilis did after he was acquired. Power starter? Good luck on that one, at the rates that teams are paying, our 2nd "power" starter in Peavy's going to be grossly overpaid. And you expect Rios to tank, so you're just going to dump him for not much in return and then expect to replace his 2012 production somehow? That's a recipe for disaster. I can't imagine very many players in baseball that the Sox could acquire that would actually boost attendance on an average or slightly above average Sox team. Maybe not even Josh Hamilton would do it.

Ramirez showing up late that game we somehow lost to the Royals largely because of Olmedo...Ramirez getting picked off 3B....then his horrible hitting with RISP in the final 3 weeks. I don't want him traded, but I'm not going to be terrible disappointed either if they can get a good return for him.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) I'm enjoying the irrational Peavy hate Really no strong feeling whatsoever about him. He just hasn't gotten it done against the Tigers. End of story. That 6-0 lead he spit up at home against them still rankles.

Twins have just gotten pulverized by Verlander the last two innings when they had a chance to do some damage. Big game pitcher, defined.

Leadoff double for Plouffe. Three more opportunities with RISP, except the bottom of the order this time. Ooops, so much for that, horrible baserunning by Plouffe gets him picked off between 3rd and 2nd by Fielder. SIGH. Surprising play by Cecil to go to 3rd instead of taking the easy out at 1st. DET is really playing with an edge these last 11-12 games or so.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 03:30 PM) Again, if you didn't know who was talking there, you would have thought it was a Tampa player. Praising Moore, Price and Rodney. If he wouldn't have tipped his cap over and over and over against the Tigers, we'd actually be leading the division still. Sure, we're getting no-hit, there's that. But good riddance to Peavy. Just won't leave quietly. Too bad we never made that Dye for Homer Bailey deal that was reported and seemed legit.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 29, 2012 -> 03:28 PM) 93.6, the lowest of his career I believe But his BAA vs. RH'ers has to be one of the best in the majors for a reliever. Isn't his overall average against still under .200 or close to it?