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And lots of abusers know how to hit women and WHERE to hit them so as not to leave visible marks or scars. In the end, it's a private matter...it could have been a one-time thing, but 90%+ of the time with DV, it isn't. I'm not saying he's evil....just that saying "well, she didn't have a black eye for two weeks" doesn't make it any more acceptable. She clearly had SOME swelling. Someone that size hitting a woman isn't going to leave her without any physical evidence of contact.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 05:07 PM) Turner will have his career best game in innings and strikeouts.....................you can see it a mile away. He's had one very good start and one terrible one. It would be pretty funny (and a bit ironic) if the White Sox got shut out tmrw and it made it actually made it easier for the Tigers to deal Turner for a better, more experienced veteran.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) Replace both of them then. And DeAza, and Dunn, and Konerko, and Beckham... Realistically, the whole line-up has been pretty bad since the TUES Red Sox game. I would trade Raburn for Beckham right now and not bat an eyelash because I have more confidence of Raburn hitting with another team than Beckham ever getting it together in Chicago.

Please trade Beckham for Raburn. They both suck about equally.

LOL at Karros saying that it's a good thing the White Sox would control Brett Myers' contract at $10 million next year as a reliever. As a starter, sure. But you can't pay your closer that kind of money when you're rebuilding/retooling.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:57 PM) Why is everyone talking Luke we've lost this game already? All we need to do is shut them down in the 8th, score 5 in the top of the 9th, and than let Reed do his job! Because this whole weekend was predictable from the moment Matt Thornton entered the game Thursday night.

How did the last week of 2008 happen? That's what I want to know.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) I think that Thornton/Reed implosion has had a big impact Despite Addison's false bravado on the Fox interview, that game had a huge impact on this team's psyche. He can act as nonchalant as he wants, but whatever...

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) Jesus hell Viciedo. Hang your head. At least he has an RBI in this game. Gordon Beckham's MUCH worse. Porcello was 2-0 with a 1.29 ERA against us year...he's definitely continuing that same exact trend.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:40 PM) You are a breathe of sunshine. How is the view from the ledge. Caesar=mcgrad Has to be.

Thank god he's okay. Raburn really really really sucks.

Great start to this inning. Jesus. Sale's velocity is way down.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 03:33 PM) What happened to Beckham's power? This offense is terrible right now, and something has to be done to break up the string of righties at the bottom. Beckham's now 1 for his last 20. Ball doesn't seem to be carrying today.

Can we trade for a new offense? So we're scoring what, about 1.25 runs per game in our last 4 losses?

That's the other angle. It would be ironic if they dumped his former teammate in Gavin Floyd ($9.5 million option) for Brett Myer's $10 million, but it's not inconceivable. One wonders if KW talked to him or his agent and told him this was part of the thought process behind the trade....?

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:47 PM) why is that not true and the other story is? Baseball-wise, it's a good move. He's had one incident, disputed at that, I'm not going to judge the guy. Except there were many witnesses. It happened in a public place. And being drunk or bombed or lit is no excuse for ever hitting a woman, period. I hope you wouldn't accept that excuse if a brother-in-law of yours used it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) Which is why it's very unlikely he'll be made the closer. Brett Myers, Astros - $10MM option vests with 45 games finished or based on a points system. Myers has finished 23 of the club's 70 games and is a trade candidate. If he continues to close, the option seems likely to vest. If Reed fails again soon, there might be no other choice. And the other thing to consider is they're already going to be paying him $3 million NOT to close...a little bit like the issue of filling Peavy's spot in the rotation with his $4 million buyout.

Northsidesawx, it's on the borderline of something that's hard to excuse. We wouldn't be saying "relax" if it was rape or something like the Sandusky case...but it's going to be very polarizing for the fanbase. Some won't accept him no matter what, others will be more forgiving if he goes out and performs. If it was your sister or relative who was beaten up, you might feel differently. I read the "PR spin/feel good" story earlier in the thread, but that doesn't necessarily make it the truth.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) Doesn't Myers' 10 million dollar option automatically kick in if he finishes 16 more games? For that reason, I doubt he's going to replace Reed. It's not clear whether it's finishes/closes or just appears in....from the looks of it, it's 40-50 appearances. That must have been something that KW and Luhnow discussed in terms of future payroll obligations. OR, KW really has grave concerns about Reed and just picked up a $10 million veteran closer for 2013, the antithesis of the youth movement in the pen. That really makes the money tight for AJ, Youkilis, Floyd and another starter for next year. Only 2 of those 4 will fit.

Myers is in the final year of his contract, but he has a vesting option that could guarantee his $10 million option next season if he appears in a certain amount of games. Rosenthal reported in June that the best estimate would be between 40 and 50 games, because the Astros reworked his contract when they converted him from a starter to closer before the season. The move makes sense for the White Sox, who have the third-worst bullpen ERA in the American League. Rookie Addison Reed, the team’s closer for most of the season, has a 4.24 ERA and has converted 15 of 18 save opportunities. SI.com (Rosenthal)

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) For a rookie closer, he has had a great season. Demote him? WTF. I'll go back to the Greg/Rongey response. Guys who are paid $11 million to close aren't going to be setup guys for rookies making the league minimum. We'll see.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) I've never booed a Sox player before, but I'll boo this piece of s***. Just goes to show you, KW isn't always a stickler about bringing questionable (at best) character guys into the clubhouse. It has blown up in the past with the likes of Lofton, Swisher, Cabrera, Javy, C-Lee, Magglio and D'Angelo Jimenez, to name a few. I'm pretty sure winning with a DV assailant is probably worse than being a fan of a player who used steroids, because the steroids just cheated the team, the fans and the game, but didn't actually injure or hurt another person in the process of abusing them.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:25 PM) I think he'll do well as a set-up man. His stuff has been impressive, and his numbers got blown up by one really bad game he had. One would guess they would demote Reed and take the pressure off him. Santiago or Septimo...one of them will go, hopefully Hector. Could be Veal, though. Actually, just for last night, Donnie deserves another chance for nutting up.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 21, 2012 -> 02:23 PM) Itll be really interesting to see what we gave up and what his role will be here. Who cares if no one likes him? No one likes AJ. Except AJ never punched his wife in the face in public...well, not that it even matters whether it was public or private, but it's a whole different animal when you're talking domestic violence versus playing cards in the clubhouse or watching Florida on tv instead of prepping the pitchers.

On June 23, 2006, Myers was arrested and charged with assault after witnesses saw him punching his wife, Kim Myers on a downtown Boston street after an argument.[24] The Phillies received criticism from some media members and women's organizations for not benching Myers.[25] Myers took a short leave of absence from the team.[7] During a pre-trial hearing on October 5, 2006, Kim Myers indicated that she did not want her husband prosecuted, and despite the prosecutor's insistence of filing charges, the case was dismissed. The couple has been in marriage counseling since the arrest.[26] wikipedia.com