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i had similiar experiences when i traveled through france in the 80's...very unhappy people

despite his problems ive always kind of liked everett...he plays the game the right way...he's an excellent situational hitter...in '00 at a game at comiskey he was CF for boston and maggs hit a shot in the gap that i thought had triple written all over it..out of no where everett comes flying throught the air and snags it as he crashes head first into the fence in RC field..was the greatest catch ive ever seen in person...i couldnt believe how much ground he covered....if thats the everett we are getting fans here will fall in love with this guy in a hurry

All of em will be under 25 how old is borchard??? anyways..from what texas is saying everett could be exactly what this team needs..im so tired of dumb ballplayers...be nice have two more guys that play the game the right way

I take each of your trades one at a time. 1) Did the Sox not need a defensive improvement at SS after 2000? Most Sox fans saw that as a weakness and rightfully so with Valentin making 30+ errors there. The Sox got lucky that most of those errors didn't cost them games, but that is a chance you don't take again. So what does KW do. He gets one of the top defensive SS in the game and gives up next to nothing to get him. I am sorry but that isn't a bad trade. Next. 2) I already mentioned that the strike that was looming probably played a HUGE role in the Durham trade. It was his best move, but he wanted to get something for a player that he know wasn't going to be on the team next year(its JR's fault for not resigning him). If there was a strike then the Sox would have been stuck with nothing to show for Durham. No compensaiton. Not a good trade, but not entirely KW's fault. Next. 3) The Baldwin trade was addition by subtraction. Have you taken a look at the numbers that he has put up since leaving the Sox? He has been one of the worst starting pitchers in the game since the trade. Finding a team to take him was a good thing let alone getting some prospects in return. By the way the best prospect that the Sox got was Majewski and he has put up some solid numbers since the trade and is only 23. He could be pitching out of the pen as early as next year. Getting rid of one of the worst pitchers in baseball was a win no matter waht, but the fact that one of the prospects has a decent shot of making the pen next year is an added bonus. The name mix up wasn't a huge deal and more of a laughing matter then serious considering neither of the 2 guys were any good. I am sorry but you are wrong on this one. Next. 4) You don't follow the minors do you? Fernandez isn't a good prospect. At BEST he will be a 4th outfielder, but in all likelyhood he won't ever step foot onto a major league field. Besides CF in the minors has become a strength with the last 3 drafts that have netted the Sox Webster, Reed, Anderson, and the 14th pick this year(cant remember his name). Its funny how no one was complaining about Jimenez when he was the only one hitting on this team. Jimenez has the chance to be a solid everyday player, while the 2 players that the Sox gave up were nothing but career minor leaguers. Thats was a win for the Sox any way you slice it. Next. 5) Where is Perry now? Riding the bench. Neither guy is an everyday player in the majors so that trade isn't a bad trade. Besides it opened up 3rd for Crede. You are really reaching on this one. Next. 6) What about Cotts? If he wasn't traded today he is considered one of the best lefty handed starters in the minors and could be a future star in the rotation. If he was traded then helped land Everett. Either way the trade consisted of more then Foulke for Koch and is still way to early to tell which team got the better deal. Once again I specificly said name a trade that was clearly bad and you have yet to do so. Next. 7) That Gange for Howry trade was BS. Apparently you didn't get the memo that later said that it was a trade made up by the papers. There was not one reliable source that said a trade like that was on the table. I realize that you are reaching for stuff to through out there, but please stick to the facts. Next. Typical. Its all KW fault when he makes a bad trade, but he shouldn't get credit for making a good trade. Why don't you come back and argue when your negative bias doesn't cloud your thought process? You have yet to name one trade that was clearly bad for the Sox. All of the above trades are bad IN YOUR OPINION, but unbias fans/experts/scouts/ect would probably disagree with you in most cases. Anything else. Have a nice day. in response to your responses 1...no, the sox did not need a defensive upgrade at SS..jose valentin always was ans still is a fine defensive SS..there is alot more to defense than just errors...look at how many errors nomar makes??...does he stink too???...valentin's range and arm are twice that of clayton's..since '00 the sox play about 600 baseball with jose on SS...we won with hinm on SS in '00..2 years of clayton on SS and the sox were mediocre at best..now that val is back on SS were are making moves to win again...coincidence?? 2...if we kept durham and they changed the rules on compensation so we wouldnt have gotten anything for durham then we would be in the same boat we are in now..cause that bum we got for durham will never pitch in the majors...look what we got for lofton a week later??....a number 4 prospect in diaz...durham is a better player than lofton at this point in kenny's career...we should have gotten atleast a top 5 prospect for durham or just kept him.. 3...it doesnt matter what baldwin has done since he left the sox..at the time of the trade baldwin had won 4 starts in a row and LA was desperate for starting pitching...the guy we got in the trade...onan masaoka was supposed to( in williams own words) have a fastball that would make us all forget about baldwin...then in spring training williams releases masaoka and says he didnt have a major league curveball...great job there kenny...plus williams says that baldwin was just a bridge to the future and that he was now expandable because the bridge was complete (meaning the starting pitchers from the minors were ready to step up..then in the next offseason he trades for ritchie and says that the same starting pitching was ready so he had to trade away these guys for a legit starter..these two trades more than any showed kenny had no set plan in place... 4..you need to re-read what i said..i never said fernandez was a good prospect..i said he was are only legit (probably should have used the word "true") CF prospect at the time in the organization..i know fernandez is on no ones "A" list..but the sox have no true CF prospect in the org except for the guy they drafted this year and anthony webster whos been given a due date of '07...as for 2nd baseman..we had harris , hummell and miles who were all closer to the majors than fernandez..so trading the only CF form a bum like jimenez when we had 3 other prospects just as good if not better was not a smart move... 5...again it doesnt matter what perry is doing now..eventhough last year he had a good year for texas...he was a major leaguer and we traded him for a guy that has virtually no chance to make the majors...releasing perry would have had the same effect...i didnt except the rangers best prospect for perry but i did expect someone who would spend atleast a little time in the majors...besides...aftyer sticking us with clayton you would think texas would have felt bad enough about that to gives us atleast a guy that had a chance 6...two years ago corwin malone was given that same award...look where he is now...cotts has done nothing for this team this year..as far as him being traded for everett..if it wasnt cotts it would have been someone else..i dont care about the future...our future is now...cotts is 2 years away minimum...had the foulke botch trade not been made this team would be much better NOW...in a year we are trying to win it all...this trade could end up being the worst one of all if we miss the playoffs by like one or two games because billy botch's fastball couldnt break a balsa wood anymore... 7..kenny williams himself on the score said there was a trade being talked about with the dodgers for gagne...of course yopu might be right because he definately isnt a reliable source i named 6 trades that i clearly believe are bad..others agree with me...then there are other that dont...but you are the one who asked why people dont like kenny williams..i named off 6 trades why...just because you dont agree doesnt mean the rest of us can have a different opinion...so saying i have yet to name one bad trade and then typing "next" is bulls***.....i named 6 bad ones imo...just because you refuse to even consider anyone elses opinion doesnt make you right...just closed minded...

konerko has to go..he makes over 8 million next year..daubach could be resigned for probably around a million a year..plus daubach imo is a better player.. the most interesting decision to be made imo will be on lee...he will probably be asking for alot in arbitration...6 to7 million is my guess... other moves will all depend on how the team fares in october..the better we do..the more players we resign

the biggest mistake in not picking up wells option was it led to the ritchie trade..no way that trade was made if david wells came back

clayton trade killed the team for 2 years..his attitude and sexual escapades with a certian EX of our superstar really messed this team up... durham trade was horrible...he got absolutely nothing for a two time all star..if we kept durham till the end we would have gotten two sandwich picks..plus , looking at the off season since we traded foulke we could have traded him for a young CF of starting pitcher that wasnt arbitration eliagable yet , let ,marte or gordon close and use the money saved that we gave botch to resign durham... the baldwin trade..no major league innings for any of the 3 prospects we got..not to mention he traded for the wrong guy jimenez trade..we traded the only legit CF prospect in alex fernandez (if you dont count borchard who is really a corner outfielder) for a clubhouse cancer similiar to clayton..btw on both deals(this one and clayton) other GM's or baseball execs warned williams not to trade for either of these guys... herbert perry for corey lee....lee never will pitch in the majors foulke for billy botch..this trade already goes down as a huge loser.. how about the trade he didnt make??...howry to the dodgers for eric gagne...that trade was done until kenny williams decided gagne wasnt enough for howry and demanded a prospect to go with gagne...danny evans then nixed the deal...gagne saved 52 last season... he's had some trades that were ok for both teams bradford - olivo glover - eyre his big winner imo was marte for gurrier..marte should be our closer and gurrier is now just a fringe prospect... as for colon..hard to give him alot of credit there...mlb runs the expos and forced omar minaya to go public with his payroll and trades..plus fopr some reason the sox had the right to see the expos trades and offer up a better deal if they choosed to..(probably some kind of payback from selig to his buddy reinsdorf ) as for the latest moves...this has eddie einhorn signature on the moves..not saying he made them..but since his return to the front office this organization has looked and acted much more professional...im sure he has a much more watchful eye over KW then reinsdorf did.. anyways..question was asked what other trades did williams make that were messed up..there ya go

good point..when was the last time we swept someone??...we have been good ball lately taking 2 of 3 from most teams but cant seem to break out the brooms...we need to go on a run of about 9 out of 10 and put our stamp on the AL central...let the twins and royals know that the division race runs through the south side... ive always been a big backer of danny wright...for the past 2 years ive always argued that i think he has a higher ceiling then both garland and rauch...he started out slow after the inuury and i believe he is just getting back to 100%...im hoping he comes up big tomorrow...both he and garland will be the key to the 2nd half..if they have similiar 2nd half's to the ones they both had last year...i think the division is all but ours for the taking

lee's defense has improved..but he still plays the deepest LF in baseball and his arm is s***..id like him more as an DH but we already got a pretty good one...for this season i wouldnt mess with lee though...as someone else said he is finally starting to hit to all fields and with both rowand and harris on the bench we can use both of them as late inning defensive replacements..i wouldnt want to mess up lee by moving him to DH now that he finally is playing halfway decent... will be interesting this off season with lee...he will arb eligable if we dont extend his contact and he makes 4.2 million now so he will probably go to arbitration asking 7 million or so...is he worth that much???

depends on how well the team does...if we win the division i expect most to be back..with the exception of konerko...i think if any GM out there is dumb enough to pick up konerko's contract he will be gone...daubach is a better player and about 8 million dollars cheaper...

ill go with CF for carl

2 years ago if we made this trade everyone would have screaming please dont let it be corwin malone...would anyone care if it was malone now???...doesnt matter who the prospects are because none of us know who will delevop and who wont...for all we know cotts may never make it to the majors and the number 3 guy in the trade might be the next hall of famer...im just glad the sox brass realized that this was the time to go for it...if this move gives us a world series then i dont care if texas gets 3 future hall of famers from us

he cant be any worse that jimenez WAS!!!...i love being able to say "was" at the end of that sentence

no its really me cubkilla...i stil have the ticket stub form wrigley from the sox-scrub game in '01 to prove it

what future??..our minor league system was mediocre at best..im surprised we had 6 quality prospects to get us guys like alomar and everett..

i dont care who we give up...go back to '00 when the sox we rated the best farm system in baseball...how many of those so called cant missed prospects that we had back then never made it or are gone now...eventually you have to get to a point where if you plan to win it all you have to deplete your minor league system to get you quality major leaguers to put you over the top..if it doesnt work out we can trade these guys for other teams prospects and start over...but at some point you have to take the chance and go for it or you never quit rebuilding..im glad to see the sox brass feels this is the time...ill back any moves made to better this team for this season

how about this?? (S) alomar 2b (S) everett cf ® thomas dh/1b ® maggs rf (L) daubach 1b/dh ® lee lf (S) valentin ss ® crede 3b ® catchers that balaces out the line up and adds speed to the top..the two biggest weaknesses in this team are answered..

this to me is great news...rios wasnt hitting and jimenez is a complete waste of space...atleast with rowand we keep a guy that play a respectable defensice Cf as our 4th outfielder..and harris gives us some speed off the bench and a guy that can be called on to lay down a bunt in a crucial spot...smart move another plus..if we win the division with these two moves it really increases the chances of resigning loaiza and colon to long term deals...be nice to have those guys and buehrle anchor our staff for the next few seasons..

im over at HSC's house...my computer crapped out and i havent got a new one...hope everyone is doing good..missed chatting with you guys..and no vince...vicki hasnt killed me..yet:)... sox are playing good and i love both the alomar and everett deals...about time this franchise made moves for the present and not the future...and the best part is we get rid of that loser jimenez..what a bum!!!

the story doesnt say what the kids said...the fact that this story didnt report what the students said speaks volumes...this is a one sided report... im guessing they made some kind of specific threat on the presidents life...whatever they said it scared the teacher enough to call the secret service..this stuff happened more than once under the clinton administration...you make a threat on the life of the president and youre gonna get a little visit... the disturbing part , if true , is the secret service questioning the kids w/o parental notification...if that did happen and it went down the way this report says it did a couple of agents at the least should get harsh reprimands and depending on prior history could get fired.. i wish i know what these kids said...it had to be dist urbing for a teacher to react to it that way

eminem = hypocrite

All I'm going to say is if this season keeps up the way it is, we'll be moving Jose Valentin and playing Miles and Jimenez in the infield giving them each the opportunity. asctually if it keeps up on its current trend youll be moving jimenez to 3rd and crede???...who knows

we are the best of a poor lot

above average speed???..please..he would have trouble beating thomas in a foot race...do you like go to the bathroom when the sox take the field???...because if you subtracted from jimenez's ops the number of hits he gives away with his lack of range and laziness his ops would be about 600 We'ver been over this many times... I am totally serious about the speed thing; Jimenez has Magglio-type speed. I watch at least a fourth of all the games and tape the rest, I prefer to actual game-play to judge whether he is fast or not as opposed to warmup/taking the field part or whatever....Did you see his CS? He was clearly safe on one of them and barely out on the other. That would have given him 4 steals in 5 attempts.... Foot race with Thomas to determine who is faster? Now it's getting surreally ridiculous. Are you drinking again? His range? Perfectly mediocre even if, I agree, he doesn't really hustle (if he did his range would be above-average). Same as Ray Durham who couldn't/can't get to ANYTHING, especially in the clutch and has a girlie arm. So, yeah, keep looking for things that aren't there. Hurting the Sox with his glove? Are you effin' kidding me?! 3 errors, boo--hoo, crying me a f***ing river.........Give him at least a year to adjust to a new position. Geez. I tell you, if this guy leads the league in hitting, you will still find something to harp on. He isn't a Gold Glover? So what, neither are 27 other starting second basemen in the majors. Not everyone is Robbie Alomar or Loius Rivas. dont insult durham by comparing him to that loser jimenez..durham has heart..durham had his faults too but his heart and effort overcame them...lack of range for durham??..nobody 2nd baseman in baseball was better at going after pop ups / texas leaguers...which is the worst part of jimenez's game...durham had excellent range to his left...going to his right he struggled some...girly arm...durham , on all scouting reports has a plus arm for a 2nd baseman..dont know which durham you were watching durham steals bases , jmenez doesnt durham bunts , jimenez doesnt durham 22 walks , jimenez 20 durham obp 425 , jimenez 400 durham 80assists , 2 errors 20 dp's jimenez 77 assists , 3 errors 14 dp's talk about jimenez all you want..durham's had a better start

“I don’t have any answers today,” said Manuel with a smile, as reporters approached after his team finished its first West Coast trip at 2-4. “I’m done. I have no answers for you. We were brutal. We can’t swing. “The guys are working hard. I'm not saying they're not working hard. But I don't want them to start looking other places when you have to look at yourself. That's just where we are right now. We feel we put a good team together. Hey, they have to start taking some responsibility