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Andrew Vaughn has played in 562 games and has a career bWAR of 1.1 He is not, and has proven he wont be, fine.

I gotta say, everything we have done (or not done) is pointing at Colson being the SS on the main roster sooner rather than later. The service time thing is not worth stressing over. If these guys come up and become stars they will never see year 6 or later in a Sox uniform anyways. There's no point.

Here's how I get to contender overnight in the ALC with what could easily be an obtainable payroll for a Chicago market team in my fantasy world. In this world, Vaughn is a .750 OPS guy, Benintendi continues how he ended 2024, Luis Robert bounces back to a 5+ war player and we never traded Crochet. C- Edgar Quero ($1m) 1B- Andrew Vaughn ($5m) 2B- Gleyber Torres ($15m) 3B- Colson Montgomery ($1m) SS- Willy Adames ($26m) LF- Andrew Benintendi ($17m) CF- Luis Robert ($15m) RF- Juan Soto ($51m) DH- Pete Alonso ($25m) SP- Corbin Burnes ($33m) SP- Garrett Crochet ($3m) SP- Trevor Williams ($7m) SP- Davis Martin ($1m) SP- Jonathan Cannon ($1m) CL- Clay Holmes ($13m) Payroll: Approx. 214 Million for the starters above, and toss in another $15-20 for bench and bullpen. for a total payroll in the neighborhood of $235 million. That would put them 7th in baseball right behind the powerhouse Atlanta market and right in front of some team called the Cubs, not sure where they play but must be a big market since they have a $229 million payroll.

There's never going to be a better situation than now to let the kids play as much as possible. What were doing is going to end up with us giving up on someone and seeing them blossom somewhere else.

Stop making sense or you’ll summon westeddy to derail the thread.

Yeah, it would be nice to have guys like that in the system.

Dude maybe he can be ok and then we can flip him at the deadline for an Aaron Combs type guy!

You may be right, and probably are for the small market teams, but I need to see it to believe it for the White Sox. A quick google search shows me the largest TV markets in the US are Los Angeles, New York, and…. Chicago.

The Dodgers built a brand and reap the rewards of it. If the Sox spent the money, filled the stadium every game, and built a competitive marketable product they would be printing money just like the Dodgers. While it does suck the same handful of teams are the only ones signing these players and trading for the superstars, they weren’t given an advantage they built it. It’s 2025 for fucks sake how do you get away with $75 million being the largest contract you’ve ever given out. Same goes for all these other teams that aren’t interested in trying.

Yes, you are correct you could have considered Shane Drohan a prospect. The difference here is you included him on your list of good young SP prospects we have, and literally 7 days after your post the White Sox cut him.

I don't understand your trolling here. Shane Drohan was a Rule 5 draft pick who threw a whole 9 innings for the White Sox minor leagues. You included him in your list of "legit" pitching prospects we have. You claimed Matthew Thompson wasn't a prospect, I corrected you because you were wrong. Please note I never said he was legit or a top prospect, only that a 23 year old in AA should be considered prospect. Shouldn't you be lurking for SS2K5 posts to argue over?

I just don't see how they get to 50 wins. The pitching staff is bad, the offense is bad, and they haven't done anything to improve the worst roster in baseball history. Sportsbooks aren't making the over/under 49.5 if its going to be really hard for them to win less than 50 games, that's not how it works.

A good example, go look at our current 40 man roster. There is not one good major leaguer on that thing outside of Luis Robert and even that depends on who you ask around here. This organization is just in the dumps from top to bottom and how they go, the fan base goes unfortunately.

Getz aside, my main point was we had back to back 100 loss season for the first time ever (including the worst season in MLB history) so the mood and discussion around here is just not going to be in the majority positive. Its hard to have an actual discussion when our roster is trash, there is nothing worth discussing about Austin Slater being an improvement over Gavin Sheets in RF. Like who gives a f***, there is no positive way to spin that. The best thing for all of us is to see plenty of the kids this season and them to show promise. Then we will have way better things to discuss. Right now, its optimist trying to sell Mike Tauchman and Bryse Wilson as some sort of reason why this team is going to win 55 games, I mean come on.

This team has been in a downward spiral since Tony LaRussa took over. They are literally the worst team in baseball and continue to make dumbass moves. The majority of everyone is pissed off, and rightfully so. There is not really much positive to discuss here. I miss the days when the White Sox just won 80ish games every year and we at least had hope they would put it together next season. What we have now, f*** that man.

There’s no way they were trying to tank. Getz has no business being a GM, that’s not his fault though it’s the owners fault for looking at his decaying organization and refusing to do the hard reboot that was needed. We were told it wasn’t a rebuild, we were told that we were owed not wasting any time and yet here we are today as the worst team in baseball history. I would be much more patient and understanding had they just done the right thing from the beginning but we just got fed a load of crap. This team won’t be good this year, and won’t be good next year. Again, would love to be proven wrong but I work for a man who has a great saying “crash jobs usually do.”

How long is your rope? Getz took over made a bunch of crappy trades and bad FA signings which lead to the disaster of 2024. Now, the Crochet trade was good in my opinion but here we are again trading away young arms for older nothing players trying to patch holes on a talentless team. This offseason has almost been a carbon copy of last year the only difference being a slightly better trade of our #1 pitcher. I would love to see my favorite team be good again, we’re just doing the same s%*# that didn’t work last year.

I literally just wanted to hear why he thought this team is better than last years team since he didn’t elaborate in his original post. I don’t need to argue with anyone here, in fact I find it kinda of dumb at this point in my life we’re all here because we’re all Sox fans so it’s kind of funny how much a lot of people here hate each other.

Soxtalk when the White Sox add another 30 something nobody who doesn’t do anything for the future of this organization: Guys he has like 5 years of control and was pretty good in 6 innings last year. We’ll flip him at the deadline.

This is a message board, I’m interested in seeing why he thought this team would win 50 or more games. I wasn’t looking for someone to “change my mind”.

Yeah aren’t you the guy who included Shane Drohan as one of our legit pitching prospects in that same discussion lol.

Oh they definitely didn't go into the season trying to lose that's for sure. I was one of those people who saw all the "This team is going to be historically bad" posts last offseason and thought there was too much talent on the roster for that to happen. Im not going to make that same mistake again this year, these guys will need a horseshoe up their ass to get 50 wins.

I don’t think they’ll win less than 41 games but they certainly haven’t done anything that makes me think they win 50+ games. Like I said, this roster is just as shitty as last seasons.

Mike Tauchman being a complementary player on a good team is not the same as Mike Tauchman being arguably your best hitter sans Robert. I think its ridiculous to even suggest the rotation is improved with the loss of Crochet. Who is your starting 5 right now? This is a worse team than last years team right now, I still haven't seen anyone provide any reasoning why they will be better other than hopes and dreams.

Ok so even with a 7 win improvement they are still at 48 wins. They have done nothing to improve this roster in any meaningful way yet, sorry but Mike Tauchman aint it.