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QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) I think if we sign AJ then that'll silence the last of the remaining KW haters........for the time being anyway. I think he's done a fine job this offseason even if we dont land AJ for whatever reason. We're head and shoulders above where we were last season IMHO. I agree, I think adding AJ would make us a near lock to win the division this year.. our pitching is better than it has been in a while

QUOTE(Ishmookie @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) This was on espn.com. The city wants to change it. It would be pretty funny if this happened. Theres already a thread about this, but yeah.. its ridiculous... that would look so stupid, but oh well.. I guess he can do what he wants http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28153

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 02:30 PM) we would of been so set if we did take leftwich.. we really dont need haynes at all and wth the pick this year since we had a QB of Leftwhich quality take the LB from Texas because Leftwich is the type of QB who can work with junk WR's. Jacksonville has way better WR's than the Bears do.. so I wouldnt say Leftwich works with junk.. I think you need to see Grossman for a full year before people start callin for a new QB

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) I kind of agree with Jackiehayes. In 2003, most likely we would have grabbed Leftwich/Suggs at four, rather than Grossman & Haynes. Would we have been in a better situation had we grabbed Suggs? I think so, but I could be wrong. The way I see it, Suggs would have either stayed at end, or moved to OLB -- so today, we'd be sitting with Suggs/Urlacher/Briggs. But we wouldn't have a QB. Had we grabbed Leftwich, we'd have had a franchise QB (or at least a QB to develop for the next couple years), we'd be set at ends (I'm assuming the Booker/Ogunlye trade still goes down), but we'd be missing a linebacker. I dunno, I just think if you have a chance to grab an impact player, you do it. Mike Williams is an impact player. I really hope we don't miss out on one, especially at four... I agree with you too, I wanted the Bears to get Suggs so bad, but they didnt

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) Good job MoS. You didn't disappoint haha whew... i knew i had to make it a good one

and the journey continues....

QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) I was gonna say Reggie Bush, yeah. Didn't know he was inelligible. Next year he should be.. hell prolly come out

QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) Too bad there isn't a way to trade down and get Williams AND Bush. Bush? cuz if you mean Reggie Bush he is a true sophomore and not eligible to come out..

QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 12:28 PM) Could it be.... Vazquez? :headshake You gotta wonder what the hell Arizona is doing.. they are coming off a horrible season and are now trying to acquire these Huge contracts..

QUOTE(The Critic @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 12:25 PM) Just saw on the ESPN News ticker that the Angels have changed their name to the ridiculously clunky LOS ANGELES ANGELS OF ANAHEIM. Go Go LAAoA!!!!!! oh wow, thats horrible

QUOTE(keninem @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:49 AM) How the hell can you call Lee 'stone hands'? You do realize he had no errors last year, right? :headshake haha seriously.. the only thing to be happy about with Lee is gone is we moved payroll.. but he was prolly our best all around player last year.. and we moved him for a bullben arm and a guy whos OBP was like .313 We took a risk on that one

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 06:57 PM) Well actually Oral Roberts has been relatively solid this year (I believe only two losses at Hawaii and at Indiana) ...so I wont dog them for beating a good team like that. Not that I think Indiana is going to have a good season but lets be honest the bottom tier of the Big 10 is bad ok but still... Indiana... Oral Roberts... small time schools like that shouldnt hang around with main conference schools, unless of course they are having a bad season ala Indiana Oral Roberst is 9 - 3 tho

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) How about a QB for the Bears? I really hope they aren't going to cash on Rex Grossman becoming a star. :rolly I dont think Grossman has done anything to warrant the Bears to feel they need to look for a different QB.. but it is possible that he never becomes anything

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 10:54 AM) heres my offseason moves Trade future first round to san diego for one of their two first round picks, draft mike williams braylon edwards FA sign walter jones or orlando pace sign jeff garcia The likelyhood of that happening is pretty much close to no chance in hell.. For Chicago to get one of San Diegos picks, it would cost them their 2nd this year and their first next year.. and actually would prolly cost more if they were going for the #8 pick which I think is SD's earliest pick.. so they would have 2 first round picks and nothing more till the 4th round.. Walter Jones and Orlando Pace will more than likely be franchised, like they are every year.. so that would also cause a problem.. and you have Rex Grossman, you dont need Jeff Garcia

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 04:49 AM) Dallas doesn't have a 3rd rounder in this year's draft, they traded it for Drew Henson. And I can't see them trading up for a QB, it's more likely Vinny will play for another year, or Parcells will try to sign a Dilfer or Kitna instead if Henson still isn't ready. If they do trade up, it'll be for Rolle the CB. How can you think they dont need a QB? Especially being a Dallas fan you have to see that they need a franchise QB, and Vinny, Dilfer, or Kitna.. well they dont cut it..

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 3, 2005 -> 12:10 AM) So for all the fans of this, why should I be excited about the Bears trading down? Last time we traded down for Grossman and Haynes -- is that really better than Leftwich, or Suggs? As much promise as Grossman has, he hasn't proven anything yet, and Haynes isn't a starter. IMO, the risk is worth it -- I can imagine that Rolle and Johnson and at least a couple wr and perhaps both tackles will be gone by our first pick if we trade down. Realistically I do not see the Bears trading with either SD or Dallas.. so pretty much what they can do is trade down a few spots pick up some later round picks or they can just take who they want at #4 Like I said, they have some options with that pick

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:56 PM) I just do not expect another team to significantly over pay, especially when I am trying to predict what a team is going to do. Can I hope the Bears sucker some team into a ridiculously painful trade? Sure. But I will play with the numbers I have and try and use real scenarios. Notice how the Bears Jets trade is numerically similar to the chart, where as your suggestion is over 200+ in the Bears favor. Also who are the Cowboys going to be so hard on for at 4? Leinart will be gone, Rodgers makes me think of Kyle Bowler. SB Well for starters, I never said Dallas WAS going to make that trade it was just a scenario.. Also, that little draft chart thingy, NFL GM's dont sit around with it and say "Oh wait, thats +200 for them, f*** this.. were done talking" It all depends on how bad they wanna move up and what they will be willing to give up to make sure they get that pick.. Also, Rodgers has great mechanics and a strong arm.. you may think he is like Kyle Boller.. but other GM's might regard him higher..

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:44 PM) Okay wasnt sure if it was SOS or if it was coin toss. Also, the chart gives list of values: Last years trade was: 1 for, 4 a 3rd round pick, and a 1st and 5th next year. That is: 3000 pts for, 2255 this year, and a 1st and 5th next year, so anywhere between 3000 and 600. And no way can we get both 1st rounders, and a 3rd, 2 1sts are already heavily in our favor, let alone a 3rd on top. SB im pretty sure that they would get both Dallas picks and another pick on top if they traded down with them.. especially if they feel the player they want is a must have and the Bears play hardball

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:31 PM) http://www.nfldraftworld.com/tvc.htm According to that chart, the Cowboy trade would be fair at about our 1 and 4, for their first 2. I looked at another chart and it seems similar as well. Also, how do we for sure get 4? Our record is tied with other teams? SB It is determined by SOS and it is already FOR SURE the Bears have the #4 pick.. And Like I said, I dont see the Cowboys trading up unless it is to get one of the top 2 QB's thats IF they both declare and if that was the case Miami at #2 would be the team they trade with since it is not out of the question for Cleveland to take a QB and since they are #3 trading with Chicago would not help them out.. But there are still combines and what not so they may fall in love with another player and think they HAVE to have him at #4, who knows.. but the Bears would only give up #4 and most likely get BOTH Dallas 1st rounders and a 3rd in the deal.. those top picks are worth a s*** load in the NFL Draft San Diego got NYG 1st, 2nd, 5th and this years 1st just for moving down 3 spots

QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:20 PM) Well.. Clayton might be sitting there in the late teens. Im pretty sure Clayton will be there in the teens.. and if they are going to trade down they would only need to look a few spots up to see who would wanna move up a few unless a higher teams comes to them with their 1st and 2nd this year to switch with them.. like a team in the teens.. it would even cost them more than that too

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:16 PM) Johnson could very well be drafted 3. If he runs sub 4.5, its not outside the Brown's to draft him at 3. Brown I think will be gone that late as well. If we got 10 and 21 for arguments sake, we could probably hope for Edwards or Williams at 10 for WR or Barron, Ferguson, and Brown. At 21 youd be looking at Clayton for WR, Mcneil at tackle, Munoz, who knows, hard to guess at all this early. I mean ideally with a 10 21 trade youd want Williams or Edwards and whichever tackle slips to 21. But that just might not happen. And I really think its suicide to take a WR at 4, if niether Edwards or Williams runs even a 4.5 40. SB Exactly thats why I think they would be able to trade down a few spots and get some additional picks and still land the WR that they want..

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:14 PM) Well, at least we're in a pretty good position this year. Lot's of guys to look at -- Williams, Clayton, Johnson, Barron, Rolle -- trade down, take two. If there were a scenario in which we can grab Johnson and Clayton, I'd be all for that. But those two are studs, I doubt that they last that long... I dont really think the bears are going to be in a posistion to trade down for two first rounders unless San Diego falls in love with someone at #4 Miami is a much more logical pick for Dallas to trade down with if there is a fight for one of the top two QB's But trading down wouldnt be bad for them.. they could go quite a few spots IMO and still land whichever WR they wanted

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) Guys -- If memory serves me correctly, we traded this years second round pick to Miami along with Booker, in the Ogunlye trade -- no? No that would be your 3rd

QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 2, 2005 -> 11:03 PM) If they trade with Dallas. Derrick Johnson OLB from Texas will be at #10 and Jammal Brown OT from Oklahoma should be available at #23. Bryant McFadden DB from FSU would be available at the 4th pick of round 2 possibly. Actually I wouldnt be surprised if DJ got taken before 10.. he is a lock to be a starter as soon as he steps on the field IMO.. Same with Brown.. he may not be around for 23 either.. Barron and Brown are two of the top tackles in the draft, actually depending on the draft status of Ferguson they ARE the two top tackles in the draft I also think its gonna be very hard for Chicago to trade with Dallas if they have their eye on one of the two QB's thats IF they both declare..

Also, it might be time for the Bears to realize they need to try and draft a running back.. thats where I think two guys that may get overlooked would be a good fit for them.. JJ Arrington and Ciatrik Fason.. they are being overshadowed by the big 3 at RB this draft and could be VERY solid runners in the NFL..