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I think everyone on this board knows what I think of Wise, but he is really not that bad of a defender. He isn't anything special, but his terrible defense is a myth created by Soxtalk (similar to Jerry Owens, who had a s*** arm, but great closing speed, good range, and a good glove). I think people sometimes just have an inability to see defense independently of offense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:17 AM) During the June slump was when Nix was already back. My point in bringing that up was that Getz came in and was immediately hitting before the scouting adjustments. It's not like Nix could hit either though. If there was an average vet 2B I'm pretty certain Ozzie would've cut into Getz's playing time.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:09 AM) He hasn't been patient with guys who are either refusing to make changes, or have a questionable work ethic. Gee, welcome to the real world. And if this was really the case, why did he hardly have a peep for Chris Getz when he was free falling down into the low .230s in late June? He still kept sending him out there 5-6 days a week. Getz started off hitting like .320 or something in his first month. Who else was Ozzie going to play though? Nix was hurt. Lillibridge? He had no choice but to send him out there 5-6 times.

I feel kind of stupid even addressing this topic, but it has nothing to do with Ozzie being racist and everything to do with Ozzie's expectations of young players, and in the case of the Sox, most of whom happen to be white. Latin players get treated no different though. Remember Richar? He didn't last either. Ozzie favored Erstad over Anderson. Beckham and his production has probably won him over by now, and Beckham is favored over Fields obviously. Honestly though name the non-s***ty Latin prospects the Sox have had. There aren't many. Most of them are white, the farm system has the occasional black player but for whatever reason not that many of them make it to the big club as prospects.

Huff is actually a pretty bad defender.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) Favre will stay retired. It's finally, officially, mercifully dead. Until tomorrow.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 09:04 AM) Not sure I agree, but Guillen has not been stellar with developing young players. *position players He's been excellent at developing young pitchers, he has the right amount of patience. He seems to be the exact opposite with position players.

QUOTE (hogan873 @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 08:05 AM) After watching the game fall apart yesterday, largely due to sub-par defense, it's easy to say we are a horrible defensive team. But, one could argue that we are a good defensive team after watching them back up Buehrle during his perfect game. What has most recently happened is of course going to be in the forefront of our minds. That being said, there are improvements that could be made on defense. I would hope that there is someone (or two) available via trade, but I'm not holding my breath. Actually no, I'm pretty sure we are statistically near the bottom of the AL in defense.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 08:02 AM) Anyone else believe they're only keeping Wise around to limit the public outrage (among the baseball stupid and media) for not showing respect to the player who saved the perfect game? At this point, with having acquired Kotsay, there is NO reason to keep Wise on the roster. Every passing day is just a mistake, and would only prove to me they're purposely extending time between last Thursday and whenever they designate Wise for assignment. It started long before then.

When I saw Fields get sent down, the thought crossed my mind to jokingly start a thread saying "Josh Fields wants to be traded" to go with the Anderson thread. I decided not to for several reasons, one of them being that I was about 80% sure Fields was actually going to do it.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 11:04 PM) Getz = sucks Getz made a horrible play but that doesn't mean he sucks anymore than Wise's great catch makes him good.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 10:58 PM) It's debatable. Me, Slav and others see Beckham as a stud 2 hole hitter, with the XBH, gap to gap machine. Fathom, Wite and others see him as a 3 hole hitter, with more power potential, XBH, machine. I honestly don't care as long as he's in the top 3 of the batting order. If he is going to have a batting average of .320 or higher with a OBP around .400, then I'd be fine with him hitting 3rd.

Bringing in Joe Nathan to retire DeWayne Wise is like smashing an ant with a sledgehammer.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 10:08 PM) You know what else isn't filtered?. Dewayne Wise. Suprising, i know.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) The new field can't come soon enough. I hate the field too but that doesn't explain Pods just inexplicably stopping and allowing a ground rule double to score a run, or Getz blowing a DP ball and breaking away from the ball so a single ends up being a DP. Without those badly botched plays, which don't count as errors, the Twins have 1 run right now and Mark is probably still cruising.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 10:04 PM) these nutless c***s won't score again.I f***ING GUARANTEE IT... Wow, that word isn't in the filter? Haha. Nice.

Holy s*** how do you do that? break the completely wrong way?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 09:47 PM) Nice to see the Twins fans are biggest fans of the game than the Twins organization... Huh? They announced it and it was on the board. They just didn't announce it when it happened, only when it was done.

Twins fans giving Buehrle a standing O, classy.

Oh my god, this is f***ing unbelievable.

lol Stone just called the Sox the Cubs.

God JD hit the s*** out of that ball.

Man this is crazy s***. I love Mark.

I was arguing with a poster on tbebaseball.com (the site in the banner link) who told me Wise was a great defender. I just don't see it.