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Bump. You were wrong. Very very very wrong. QUOTE (VAfan @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 12:33 PM) This is just total BS. Getz's runs created number is 3.84. How is it ever going to get much better than that? He has NO power, and no hope of every gaining any. Teams don't fear his bat, so who's going to walk him? He's looking at an OPS that might top out .700, and an RC27 number that might top out in the low 4s. In other words, he's David Eckstein at best. And Eckstein is currently ranked 18th among 2B in the Majors at 4.01 RC per game. Of course, Getz is not even Eckstein because he can't play SS. And he's probably not even the best fielder the Sox could put at 2B. Ramirez, Beckham, and Nix may all be better. So, I'll give up the point made about how Getz made it onto the team to start the season -- didn't want to rush Beckham, Nix was hurt -- but neither of those reasons are true any more. Nix is playing and Beckham is up. That means Getz should go. Fields? His RC27 number is even worse than Getz's at the moment. But in 2007 it was 4.72. That's why the Sox should let Fields work out his swing until he fixes it or Viciedo is ready. Send Getz down or trade him. Getz's is 4.62 now. See what happens when you jump to conclusions based on a small sample size from a player's first few dozen games? QUOTE (VAfan @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 12:41 PM) Getz is no Iguchi, and never will be. Tadahito could hit the long ball. Remember the 3-run HR he hit against David Wells to win game 2 of the ALDS against Boston in 2005? Iguchi's RC27 number was 5.01 in 2005. Getz is never going to get much above the low 4s because he has no power and isn't going to hit well enough in our park to be anything but a drag on our offense. Plus, for the guys who think he can play multiple posiitons, what are you smoking? If Getz could play SS reliably, and 3B, he might have a role as a utility player. Instead, he's merely a 2B. Oops. QUOTE (VAfan @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 12:51 PM) I'm a firm believer in the RC27 way of rating a player's offensive value. It is more refined than OPS because it includes the value of speed. Getz's RC27 is 3.84. That ranks him at the very bottom rung of major league 2Bs. I see no prospect of Getz's numbers getting much better because he has no power -- not even much hope of hitting a lot of doubles or triples -- and therefore little hope of ever developing a high OBP because pitchers will not fear him. He doesn't even seem to use the whole field when he hits. The hits I've seen him get are all pulled into RF. That suggests his BA will also never get much better. Gordon Beckham is vastly better in just about every way to Getz. And Jayson Nix is vastly better as a utility guy because he can play far more positions than Getz. So I just see no room for him. As for light hitting guys with speed, I'm just not enamored that much of them. They have low RC27 totals for the most part, which means that even with their speed they are not increasing the runs scored per game, they are dragging it down. But in the Cell, the Sox certainly cannot afford multiple light hitters. If we're going to keep one, I'll go with Scott Podsednik, who's at 4.38 runs per game, which is better than any CF we have. And this is what happens when you talk out of a certain place you're not supposed to talk out of. About the only thing you said that made any sense was that Beckham was a far superior to Getz, and, well... duh.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 06:17 PM) I think Floyd’s curve can be a more consistent finisher then Dank’s straight change. They’re bother great pitches, but Danks doesn’t have the feel for it that Floyd has of the curve. When it's on, Gavin's curve is one of the nastiest things I've ever seen.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 06:18 PM) HAHAHHAA!!! Jeter is a defensive God! Jeter usually makes those plays, the ones he can get to anyway.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 06:13 PM) This is why Danks doesn't go deep into games. And it is why he isn't as good as Gavin. I love Floyd, but does he take care of business the way Danks just did when he gets himself into a jam? Granted, Carlos helped him out a LOT, but still.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 06:13 PM) Plus one. Yeah, without those 2 plays this inning would be looking a whole lot worse.

And another nice play, way to be heads up. There was no way he was going to get that blooper but he threw it immediately to 3rd, now Danks can get out of this.

Quentin just saved a run there.

That was a b**** of a line drive to field.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 12:40 PM) BABIP, for a lot of players is more luck oriented. Unless, you’re a fluke, BABIP can generally be thrown off by a slight tilt in offensive orientation, or as you said, just bad execution at the plate. Nothing, other than last year from Swisher is any real statistically significant suggestion that implies Swisher isn’t the same exact player he’s always been. Clutch, frankly, isn’t really a measurable statistics. It’s what your eyes tell you are clutch, and that’s a wooly distinction to have to make. I've said this before in other threads, but BABIP for a hitter doesn't tell me anything I can't already tell by looking at generic batting average and comparing it to other years. If you look at BABIP in comparison to batting average and see the gap there's usually not some sudden wild fluctuation.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 01:58 AM) Not to mention Mitchell, T. Thompson...what's the latest with Morgado and Goodwin? Haven't been following prospects forum as much since BIRM's roster was decimated. I'm withholding judgment on the new guys until I see what they can do.

Remember when like 2 years ago our farm system was absolute s*** and one of the bottom 10 in MLB? And today we have enough players that we can put together a decent package for one of the better pitchers in MLB, and STILL have decent talent in the system - Danks, Viciedo, Flowers, Hudson, and then there's Beckham who is pretty much in the same age/experience category.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 01:09 AM) Yeah, not talking about our fans....talking about the national media which influences fans of other teams. I have not heard so many glowing reviews of Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda until this evening... Oh... yeah, in that case I'm with you. I've already had to politely lecture a couple of other fans talking about how the Sox got shafted. We gave up a decent, I'd say "fair" package for Peavy, but let's be real here. Clayton Richard has a good chance of having a respectable MLB career, Poreda at least projects highly (whether he reaches that ceiling we can't know yet), but neither of those guys is going to win a Cy Young in their mid 20s. Hell, when Peavy was Richard's age, he actually won a Cy Young FFS.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Which will be nothing. Whoops. I can't lie, I did this on another board

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2009 -> 12:56 AM) What I don't get is that the White Sox always take s*** for the weakness of their farm system. And yet, everytime we trade some of the pieces of that farm system, we get roasted for trading all these talented kids. I don't get how none of them are worth a damn while they are in our system, and yet, the minute we trade them, these kids are making the acquiring team's future so bright. ??? That doesn't appear to be the consensus of this board right now. With a couple of exceptions I think most posters acknowledge that we gave up some decent prospects, but we used said prospects to get an ace who is better than any of those players will be. Nobody's been bashing the weakness of the farm system this year because it isn't weak, and the only top prospect we gave up is Poreda. We still have Danks, Viciedo, Hudson, and Flowers. I don't see what you're getting at.

Gem of a post I saw on another board:

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) Um, nevermind. lol, nice mea culpa.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:55 PM) What I don't like is that Kenny consistently overpays in these trades. We traded Swisher and Vaz and got table scraps. maddening to me. Tyler Flowers alone isn't table scraps.

VAfan, it's like this - the Sox originally traded Swisher on the assumption that he would be what he'd been in Oakland. He wasn't that, he was streaky and underperformed and at times was useless. His value was as low as it was going to be and Kenny sold low on him. The return we got for him was questionable at best, but his contract was about to get much more expensive. The thing is, this topic has already been visited and beat into the ground.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 05:42 PM) It's going to be a lot of "I can't believe they traded for an injured player" and "He'll suck in the AL" It won't be until later this year or next year when he's mowing them down that the boards will be fun to read. I read a comment from an Indians fan that said this was KW in panic mode. Damn, envy much? He acquired a f***ing Cy Young-caliber pitcher FFS.

I'm jizzing myself right now as I type this. After approximately how long should I be concerned if I'm jizzing over a period of time and it doesn't stop?

This topic again? Good god, hopefully this doesn't replace Brian Anderson topics.

I honestly don't get why it's difficult for some to understand how it's better for the team with Beckham at a middle infield position than at 3B. The statement "the Sox need to sign a 3B first" is irrelevant because it's a given and it's actually a separate point entirely. Simply put, it's much easier to find a decent bat at 3B than it is to find a decent bat in the middle infield. This is true of any team.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) Time is what our definition of time is. Who knows what "time" really is from a God standpoint? Right, my point exactly. I have no idea what God thinks, or how his stream of consciousness functions. Or if he even cares about "time" at all.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) If you track biblical genealogy, supposedly it put the earth at around 6,000 years old. I tend to say it's a few more thousand years older. Well, I personally think it's pretty silly to assume the universe and life etc. appeared out of nowhere. I just can't see the earth being a few thousand years old though. Why would God just f*** with us like that?