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QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 01:02 PM) I dont think anyone really fully knocked down the Crede vs. Dye explanation I gave. No one really took apart what went on with Wise vs. Getz and their receptions. Someone tried but I dont know if it was enough to convince me. If what I'm saying is so flimsy and without merit, I should be getting good explanations. Instead it's just anger. People are coming up with some of the greatest White Sox hitters ever to knock down this argument, and mentioning Alexei's unreal rookie year with all those grand slams. But I think that's my point, that the untalented lovable grinder guy very often seems to be a white dude. Not always but it leans that way. I cant explain it but it's there. I replied to that and I said I just don't see it and explained why.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:51 PM) Pod>Wise>Owens. It isn't ideal, but it is an improvement. Right, based on that, I don't like, but at the same time do not oppose this move.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:56 PM) In Germany, there's actually a penalty for how much you talk about the Holocaust. It's a free speech restriction made in hopes of bettering their society and repairing things. I just wonder how anyone learns about it if they're afraid to speak. psh I'm not afraid to talk about racism. It's just there's a time and a place, and you better be prepared to back it up.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:53 PM) Well I didn't explicitly call anyone out or drop any names or anything. I was extra careful not to do that. And as for the biased vs. racism point, I guess it's more appropiately comparable to the prejudice vs. racism point. It's just that some people, not all, has inherent behaviors towards things, all things in general, it's just how people are wired. It's basic sociological observations. I actually don't have a problem with making those kinds of observations, after all, it's not the first time I've discussed racism (see Filibuster). I just think the logic you used to reach this conclusion is BS, non-existent even (hence the big negative reaction).

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:48 PM) Uribe got paid 5 million dollars to be a bench player last year, and fans never turned on him. Uribe's a poor example. I admit I was a big Uribe hater, but Uribe's a poor example because he was a horrible offensive player (albeit admittedly at one time an elite defensive player) year after year, saved only by the fact that he ran into about 20 pitches a year that left the park. It was a gradual thing too, I don't recall people hating Uribe in 2005, 2006. You don't see fans hating Alexei Ramirez because he doesn't suck. Have him bat .235 without getting on base for a couple of years and see how that goes, though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) What latin player has gotten harsh treatment from Sox fans that was unfair? I think he was going more along the lines of "favoritism" than negative bias.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:30 PM) Palin added voters int he short term. That initial boost where McCain/Palin overtook Obama/Biden in the polling was shocking to me. I thought they would close the 9point gap, but not take the lead. but over time, she became a liability and it showed. The more she talked, the more McCain sank. Combine that with the debates, the bailout and the over all economy, he was done. That was also right at convention time, I wasn't surprised at all. It was an exaggerated convention bounce.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:42 PM) On the plus side, maybe he'll bring his wife along Hard to blame him for tearing his groin when you see all that.

He's not starting is he? Please god no. I don't think I mind him being here to be honest, I never had a big problem with him as a player, but he is a DL injury waiting to happen.

I just don't see a difference though, if Dye was traded to, say, the Red Sox tomorrow (regardless of whether they actually needed him is beside the point) and came back to Chicago to play, he'd get treated the exact same way Crede did, tribute video, ovation, etc. Maybe even more.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:30 PM) To those attacking SouthsideDon with no real substance behind their defense.... let me ask this: What are your thoughts of Brian Scalabrine and his popularity in Boston? Granted, that is taken to kind of a circus level where they're almost making fun of him...... ....but if you scale it back it feeds into the Crede vs. Dye thing. Both those guys are quiet personality wise, so there has to be some reason why there's a difference in the way they're treated. Both were clutch guys, one perhaps more so in some of the biggest moments of the franchise's history. Yet the other undeniably has that cult status. I dont think of this as "most fans are racist." It's just that race affects what we do even despite our intentions, b/c the country has such a history with it. It's engrained in us. I don't know what you're getting at with the Crede vs. Dye thing. Crede actually became somewhat divisive and polarizing but the vast majority of fans still appreciated what he did for the org. If you're suggesting he is more popular than Dye, I don't know where you're getting that from either. Sox fans love the hell out of Dye even though he is brutal in RF these days. People don't suggest trading him because they don't want him here, they suggest it because baseball is a business and they wanted some value for the team.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:20 PM) I think shortly after he picked Palin, he realized he made a HUGE mistake based on advise from people who were supposed to single out the best possible candidate. But, he had to put forward a strong front, so he fought on, even after it became clear she was no where NEAR ready for the job. What was TRUELY startling about the Palin pick was the #3 reason who his advisers suggested her: "wow... just look at her". If you #3 reason is her looks, that's a loosing proposition. I think that was a subtle way of him admitting "yeah, I blew it." Of course, Palin supporters, delusional as they are, think McCain blew it on his own, and she only added votes. Yeah, not so much. The polling data was there for all to see, and the truth will manifest itself for them during the GOP primaries.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:22 PM) Hey, sorry to offend you, but that's honestly how I feel. I hope I don't get censored for it, for expressing an unpopular opinion, but I was simply answering Caulfield's question with an answer that I've always suspected all along. I think more people need to be a little more racial-conscious. A lot of white fans seem to "go easy" on white players, and that was the impression I've gotten from people on this board and people I've spoke to in person. One person I spoke to in person actually said to me that he liked Anderson, Broadway, and Crede because they "remind him of himself as if he was a player". By the way, I'm white, and I have a black girlfriend. eh, as long as you know you're leaving yourself wide open to get flamed, go for it.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 12:13 PM) I actually think a lot of hardcore Sox fans, like on this board, treat black players a lot more harsher than white players. That's honestly the impression I get from how a lot of people act on this board. If a player is black, and he sucks/struggles, he gets booed and hated mercilessly. But if a player is white, and he sucks/struggles, get doesn't get booed as much and gets more benefit of doubt and their other attributes are played up as "positives" to outweigh the negatives of their suckitude. It seems like too many white White Sox fans cheer for white players even though they suck just because they "identify" with the player just because he's white and a young womanizer with funny stories about getting drunk at bars. Yet, if the player is black, the white fans don't "identify" with him just because of his race, which is ridiculous. Also, I think race plays a big role in why a white guy like Joe Crede has more of a cult-like following than a black player like Jermaine Dye. One would argue that both players should have an equal cult-like following, but the majority of white fans, such on this board, were devastated when Crede left the Sox via free agency and they have no problem whatsoever to see Dye being traded or leave as a free agent when his contract is up. The double-standards on race in this board is ridiculous. A lot of people will deny that race plays a role, but I don't buy it. I'm calling it out and the issue here is that race plays a subconscious role in how some fans decide to support a player or not. The issue of race is the only way I can make sense of how some fans are always clamoring for Anderson and ostracizing Wise despite the fact that both of them suck equally. So yes, I do think Anderson SHOULD be booed if he performs badly like Wise, but there's a strange adoration complex going on with White Sox fans for Anderson. Get that s*** out of here edit: I'm black, I don't like Wise, I don't particularly like Anderson, and Jermaine Dye is and has been my favorite White Sox.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 11:43 AM) I would like to thank Lifetime fitness last night, for not kicking out the stripper young woman who decided to be fashionable and wear her thong bikini to swim laps last night. Swimming obviously works extremely well for shaping a persons body, thats all I have to say about that. Pics

McCain just keeping it real and being honest, Palin supporters go apes***. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/...-leno/#comments

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) my problem with the baconator is the lack of lettuce tomato and onion. Its just a big pile of gooey salt. I always ask for the Big Bacon Classic I order a single or double with bacon. It tastes the same as the Big Bacon Classic to me, which was basically the perfect fast food burger until they decided they needed to take away the other ingredients and put half a dead pig on it.

I once said the baconator had too much bacon on it and it was suggested that I be tortured for such blasphemy.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 10:54 AM) Is Lillibridge starting again because of the elbow bruise for Getz? Probably a safe bet.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 10:34 AM) she is kind of scary skeletal right now. that girl needs a few cheeseburgers So I will take her to Wendy's and f*** her when I get home.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 10:29 AM) Yes because the Sports Center top 10 plays of the day is how we grade defensive ability now a days, it actually wouldn't surprise me if that's how gold glove votes are determined, I'm sure Nate McLouth is falling down all the time. I can't remember the last time I saw them highlight an excellent jump and subsequent effortless grab in the gap in a highlight package or montage. Sammy Sosa falling down to catch a ball in right field after misreading it off the bat? I believe those were almost daily. Instincts don't make for the flashiest highlights. That being said, the play Wise made in the gap yesterday was excellent and I'm sure a much better/more important play than some of those ranked ahead of it. Derek Jeter says hi

By the way, don't worry so much about his power numbers, he's playing in a park that is notoriously unfriendly to hitters.

Give him a few weeks of playing time, he'll be fine.

I don't know about you guys but I'd still f*** the real LindsayL.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 14, 2009 -> 09:08 AM) No, not again. I... why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam? I swear to God, one of these days, I just kick this piece of s*** out the window. I stole something...