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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 06:48 PM) OK I just read your interesting saga and I've been through this before. You telling me how you were jealous of your buddy poking her and her grabbing his nuts tells me IMMEDIATELY you are hooked on this girl. You want sex with this girl you want to date this girl. She, by not yet jumping into bed with you, for whatever reason does not want to date you, maybe doesn't even ever want sex with you. I have done this before with girls that don't return the favor. They want to talk and spill their guts; they don't want to f***. I am thinking the only way this will end is when you go back to school (didn't you say you are 30 miles away with school?) and forget about her, because if my experiences are true, you are not going to stop wanting her and yes, wanting to date her. The smart thing to do would be to tell her you want her, because the response you are going to get will finally end it. I don't think she wants you sexually. If she did she wouldn't be flirting with your buddy; she'd have been all over you in the pool. The only way to end it is to make a move physically and get rejected by her. Then she won't be texting you much any more. That's my take. You want her; I don't think she wants you. If you want to continue to be her emotional support, fine, but don't expect to ever date her. And she is VERY troubled if she did that rage stuff even when drunk. I do hope you get to have sex with her if that's what you want. These stories don't usually end that way. She wants you around for support, but hey, she's flirting with your buddy, giving him nibbles on the arm, etc. That is not good. One time I finally drunk made the moves on somebody like this who was dating somebody else; she quickly let me know that wasn't in the cards and at least I emotinally got to move on and I hung out with her some cause she liked to do the things I liked to do, but I FINALLY was over the fantasy and better off for it. After taking a shower and then mowing a few lawns and doing some yardwork, I realized that I going to be my plan of attack. As soon as she finally gives me the "What's wrong? Are you mad at me?" type text, I am just going to tell her straight up that I can't continue to do this, and tell her its obvious she doesn't have the same feelings for me that I have for her, so I don't want to string along this charade for the rest of my summer. I'll basically anticipate her telling me that she thinks I am the sweetest guy she knows, but she is so in love with her boy friend yada yada yada. At that point I will just tell her not to expect me to be texting her until 3 AM every night, and that I don't feel right doing that when she has a boyfriend. Hopefully that will just end it. We'll see. One of my best female friends is coming over tomorrow, so I'll give her the scoop on what happened last night, and she what she has to say too. My friend already knows all the previous stories (ones I haven't told on here), and she is just baffled that this girl says all these things to me, but yet still has a boyfriend. She is thinking along the same lines as you guys that she is just leading me on because she likes the attention and re-assurance I give her.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 06:58 PM) Dayan intentionally walked in his second at-bat. PS: I just got a turkey of posts. Three in a row! 4 BB in his last 6 PA's, yes?

How is Soriano a "true DH", and why would he handle the move to DH any better than Dunn did? Both were pretty terrible fielders, and neither spent time as a full-time DH in their careers.

QUOTE (Uman85 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) So I was talking to this girl for the past couple of weeks and was thinking about dating her until I asked her if she could do me a favor and text vote for Paulie to get into the All-Star Game. She said she wouldn't because she's a Reds fan and all her players are all-stars. I told her, "Well, Paulie's an all-star and you're not. See ya!" Haha. Pale Hose before Ho's.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) Some fantastic advice in here from everyone, Joe. There is little upside to pursuing this girl. Someday you'll learn that dating the girls that bring in the least amount of drama/negativity/headaches will be what makes you the happiest. There truly are a ton of girls out there like that. Which is funny you mention that because that IS what drew me to her. When we would just work together and before I became her "outlet" for her sadness, she seemed like the most down to Earth girl in a while. She was almost like a tomboy in the sense that she likes playing video games, is funny, prefers to hang out with boys and thinks most girls are b****y and annoying. Like I loved how dramatic she WASN'T and then shortly after we started texting eachother all the time, she was slowly opening up to me about her life and then would text me that she was crying and all that s***, and then yesterday when she was drunk she completely boiled over with emotions. It's like the opposite of the girl I knew simply from work. Ahhh, it's screwy. Anyway, I just mowed the lawn and that didn't help me take my mind off of her. I need to go take a shower and then go to the BMV and maybe the mechanic. Hopefully I can forget about this for a few hours, or until she randomly texts me again.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) Dude, stop. Seriously. First of all, she has a boyfriend, so that should be enough to stop as is, but since it's not here goes... What makes you think that if she breaks up with him she wouldn't do that to you? I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but what makes you special? Someone does it once, or multiple times, why do you think they'd just stop? She clearly has issues, mentally, emotionally, self-awareness, maturity, self-respect etc...Don't play the healer role. You can't fix people or change people. Everyone thinks they can and everyone meets someone thinking they're the one to do it but you just can't. Not trying to sound harsh, but that's kinda the reality of it unfortunately. She's 20, she doesn't know what she wants. She clearly likes the attention you give her and it makes her feel good about herself. She may be doing this in the most non-malicious way possible, but she's using you for that attention. Whether she knows it or not, it's clear that is what is going on. Also, you gotta ask yourself, do you really feel the way you think you do about her or are you just infatuated at this point. You just saw a real f***ed up side of her - did that change anything? Don't make excuses for her either, that just ends up hurting yourself. I was in a similar situation last summer/winter with someone of similar age. Without getting into it, it ended up screwing me over once and then I allowed myself to get brought back in when she broke up with her ex again (she got back with him after, probably during, we were hanging out). She kinda kept me around with occasional messages and that s***. I saw what was going on again and stopped it. Yeah, it was hard at first because we used to talk so often, but it had to be like that. I stopped talking to her, removed her from facebook and everything. I still don't think anything she did was done maliciously, rather ignorantly, but that's the problem with girls like that. I've talked to her only a few times since (once her uncle died so I contacted her and she texted me on my birthday recently) and ya sometimes think about her but it's better this way. And it will be in the long run and that's what you have to see. I see nothing developing ever out of your scenario. Could you have a little fun with it for a bit? Of course, I could see it happening. But you're gonna end up hurt and pissed you didn't listen to anyone or to yourself. That may have come across a little harsh, but I've kinda been there, and others here have said similar things. Don't ignore the obvious becuase it's not the answer you want to hear. Can you even trust her after everything that's gone on? People are only as good as their word, and the sooner you realize that the better. No, that's not harsh, because that's the stuff I think about as well. Let me be clear, I don't "love" this girl, or even pretend to. Like you said, I think I am just really infatuated with her. And I don't really even want to date her, for reasons everyone else has mentioned (likely to cheat), but also because she already lives 25 minutes away (yeah, not that far, but for college kids with no money for gas, it is. lol), and I am going back to school 3 hours away in a little over a month. I think I am just so infatuated with her, and so entertained and happy to talk to/see her, that I know I am going to miss it. Hopefully this will all go away when I go to school and go at least a month without seeing her. I'm sure she will still text me, but maybe we can just drift apart or something. Also, let it be known that I know it's s***ty that she has a boyfriend and I talk to her, but I also make it a point to never engage the conversations with her. I always wait for her to text me first, and then I often won't even respond to something she says, and then she will text me 15 minutes later saying "Joejoejoejoejoe" warranting a "yeah?" or "whats up?" response, and then the conversation continues until I fail to respond again. I purposefully make sure she is the one who comes to me so I can't be blamed for "not leaving her alone" or "trying to get with a girl with a boyfriend". Not saying I don't have any blame to take for asking her to come over after the Sox game yesterday, but I always makes sure there is at least a 3rd person with us so she doesn't feel like I am trying to do anything with her. I mean, yesterday was only the second time we have seen eachother outside of work, and when we see eachother at work, it's almost always because SHE comes over and talks to me. I never make an effort to seek her out and talk. I'm trying to be as "hard to get" as I can, without just ignoring her or being a dick.

I agree with everything you guys are saying, I just hope I have enough will power to resist getting sucked in to her again.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) Don't fall for the guilt trip. that is BS. I wish what happened last night was like my first impression of her, because I would think this girl is f***ing insane and never have to worry about her again, but the fact that we have gotten so close this summer and talk soooo much, that I feel like an asshole if I abandon her, because she already probably hates guys to begin with. Such a f***ed up situation. This s*** has never happened to me before in my life. I mean, I've fallen for girls and had it not work out, but never in a situation like this, and never with a girl that I feel the need to take care of. I mean, I am such a sucker for helping out girls in distress. I've been known at parties to go and comfort a crying girl and spend the rest of my time with her trying to make it better. I don't know why I do that s***, but it's like so internalized for me that I can't help it. Like it's driving me nuts right now to think how sad she probably is right now about what happened last night and how I am kind of being s***ty with her right now. It's going to be on my mind all god damned day. I need some White Sox baseball to start to get my mind off this s***!

Oh yeah, and updates from today. She texted me at like 6 AM and thanked me for helping her out last night and she said she was sorry for acting like that and embarrassed we had to see that, and also said he phone is now working, just a little messed up. I told her "You're welcome. I smell like you and UV Blue though" Because she spilled UV all down my shirt when we were watching the movie. Then then said " I'm sorry! My fist really hurts though". Then, trying to sound detached and trying not to act like everything is fine said.... Me: "We tried to stop you." Her: "It's not your fault. I have way too much emotion when I'm drunk. I never wanted you guys to see me like that. Please don't be upset me with." Me: "It's whatever" Her: " I'll leave you alone" And now I feel bad. But I think pretty soon I am just going to have to lay it all out for her and tell her how I feel and why it's so f***ed up and everything. It will be pretty awkward at work after that, I'm sure, but I only have a little over a month until I go back to school, and we only usually work once, maybe twice a week together, so I will just have to deal with the awkwardness.

Ok, so here it goes. I'll try to sum things up so it's not tooooo long of a read..... So the day started with her coming over to my house at like 11:30 for some frozen pizza and a little pre-game drinking. It was a little awkward being alone in my house with her, but it was fine. I then drove us over to my buddies house to meet up with 2 other people that were coming to the game with us. We had a good time in the car jamming out to some music and laughing, so I was in a pretty good mood. We all left together for the game, and we sat next to eachother in the back seat. We got to the game and went to our seats WAYYY in the upper deck (free tix). We were flirting and joking around a lot in our seats. Lots of jokes about her "grabbing my nuts" and me "nutting on her" with the bag of peanuts that I brought. Just typical young-adult type humor. Also, sidenote, this girl had the TINIEST bladder in the world. I had to take her to the bathroom 4-5 times during the game. It was like every other inning. They were feeding her a bunch of beer (she isn't 21), so I guess that's why she had to piss a lot, that and she only weighs 100 pounds, maybe. So anyway, we had a good time at the game, took a bunch of pictures together, flirted a lot, blah blah blah. One thing that kind of pissed me off was how she told me (while she was texting her boyfriend) that she thinks he knows she secretly hates him. I said "Why would you secretly hate him" and she says "Because he is too nice to me and so sweet. I don't deserve him. It's probably why I usually go for guys who treat me like s*** and hit me". Trying to avoid the whole "abusive" comment, I said "So you don't like sweet guys? Then do you secretly hate me too? Because you always tell me I am the sweetest guy you know." Then she responds, "No, I don't hate you JoeJoe, because you aren't a boyfriend to me." or something along those lines. So then I got kind of pissed and basically stopped flirting with her and just watched the game. After she noticed this and asked why I looked sad, I just told her it was because the Sox were losing, and she probably bought it. So then on the way home from the game she was looking through my texts (she always does that. Not sure if she is looking for anything in particular). Now, she doesn't sneak my phone and try to look, she always asks me if she can, and I never am afraid of what she would find. So then I took her phone in return, and looked through her texts. I saw the texts from her boyfriend, and it seemed to be an argument about how he is the only person she loves, and he is her everything and she loves him more than anything in the world and blah blah blah. So then I once again got discouraged a little, and stopped flirting again. This basically lasted for a few hours too. We went to get some food, and then came back to my place to watch a movie. Now mind you, my buddy was there with us the whole day too. I didn't want to put her in a situation with it being just me, and make her feel uncomfortable, so I told him to hang out with us as well. So we went to my house, and the 3 of us watched a movie. She sat in between me and my buddy on the couch, and the began to drink beers and drinking a handle of UV Blue together. I don't drink much in the first place, and since I have been feeling sick, I didn't drink hardly anything the whole day. None at the game, and only had the little sips of UV Blue she would pressure me in to taking. But what was starting to piss me off during the movie was my buddy flirting with her the whole time. Like tickling her, poking her, making little jokes, and then her flirting back with him. She has a thing about play-biting, and so she was biting his arms and giving her marks. So I was on the other end of the couch basically pissed off that he was getting so cozy with her and flirting when he knows we have a thing together. When she got up to take her 13th bathroom break of the day (seriously, it got really f***ing annoying), he asked why I was pissed off. I told him partly because of her continuing to mention I am a non-sexual entity to her (she said a few times that she doesn't picture me as having a dick, or at least not a functional one. She says "You are just JoeJoe, you can't do that stuff!"). So then I also told him I was a little pissed he was flirting with her so much and touching her. He was drinking a lot that day, so I think that was sort of a product of the alcohol, and not him trying to be an asshole to me. So then she decided she wanted to go night swimming in my pool. Now, my pool was 92 degrees yesterday, so we were all pretty pumped to get in. She, of course, didn't have a bathing suit with her, so I went and got her a dark t-shirt of mine to wear. She she swam in her panties and my t-shirt, no bra. So after she starting pounding the UV at this point, she was getting pretty damn drunk. She eventually got the shirt to where she still had her head in the neck-hole, but the rest of the shirt just hung in front of her chest. Needless today, there were many, many slips were my buddy and I completely saw her chest, especially when she would get out of the pool to check her phone or use the bathroom. She would check her phone every 3-4 minutes to see the time (she has a curfew) and see if her boyfriend texted her. Well, my buddy was getting VERY handsy at this point. Oh yeah, and I should mention he was just swimming in his boxers, boxers without a button in the front, so his junk was coming out every once and while. So anyway, he would like wrap his legs around her waist, pull her towards him, grab her legs, and so all this other "creepy" stuff IN MY MIND. I felt bad that he was doing all this with her so drunk, so I just kind of hung out on the side and awkwardly watched. She didn't seem to really enjoy all that, but she was certainly flirting back, and her "go-to-move" to get out of his grasp was to grab his junk. So needless to say, she had her hands on his dick and balls multiple times, one time even PULLING his dick to get him to let go of her. Yeah, so I was feeling really awkward now and semi-jealous of him that she was giving him so much attention and playfullness. So when she took yet ANOTHER bathroom break, I told him that he needs to lay off her a little because she is clearly drunk and he is taking advantage of her and being half-naked. He disagreed and said he was not being creepy or doing anything weird, but again, he was drunk too. So then at some point she even completely took her shirt off (after my friend told her to, basically), but then quickly put it back on when she realized what she is doing in a pool with two guys while she has a boyfriend. So then the tears started to flow..... So I swam over to her and rubbed her back and tried to help her stop crying. I then started saying something and making this weird bubbling noise in the water to make her laugh. So then it was all good because I had her cracking up and smiling and s***. So I lifted her out of the pool and sat her on the deck. She then laid down flat, and started to shiver and shake pretty violently. It was not a seizure or anything serious, but she was clearly freezing cold (again, she weighs 100 pounds, and went from 92 degree water to like 70 degree air, or whatever it was late last night). So I pulled her over back to the edge of the pool, and pulled her in the water with me to warm her up. She wasn't passed out, but she was clearly out of it. I had my buddy run in the house and grab a bunch of towels for her. So while he was in the house, I was carrying her in my arms in the pool. She was holding me and around the neck and was telling me how sorry she was that she got this drunk and stuff. She was also then running her hands through my hair and hugging me tight, so then I was in a good mood again because it seemed she trusted me and was happy again. Then my buddy comes out with like 5 or 6 towels. By this point I had been holding her for about 5 minutes and calming her down, so she was able to get out of the pool by herself. She got out, we wrapped her in all the towels, and she was fine for a little bit. Then I walked her in to my house, and brought her to the bathroom to try and puke. This is when s*** got a little out of control........... So I got her on the floor next to the toilet, and held her hair back and was rubbing her back and all that. She couldn't puke, and never did end up puking, but she started to cry again and said how awful of a girlfriend she is and how she is going to have to tell her boyfriend about everything (She always tells him everything that happens, and always feels so guilty about it). So then she all the sudden flips into a rage and punches the s*** out of the back of the toilet seat top (it was propped up). This is a not a plastic cover, it is a hard porcellun (sp?). So then I grab her arm, but she all the sudden breaks out and punches it again. At this point its about 12:30, and she has to be home by 2 AM. I hold her arms and try to calm her, and then after a few minutes she calms down and starts crying. Then she flips out again and punches the cabinets. It was like this for at least a half hour. She would cry, punch something, then be ok and say how childish she is acting and how embarrassed she was that we saw her like this. Then it would all cycle again. We eventually got her to the point where she would just squeeze our hands very hard instead of punching, but she still punched about 5 or 6 times, and skin was coming off her knuckles. My buddy and I kept looking at eachother and mouthing "WHAT THE f***?". It was so crazy. So then eventually I got her some water, gave her some medicine, put her bra on, her pants on, and gave her a new shirtand I drove her home in her truck, and my buddy followed in his car. Oh yeah, forgot to mention she basically ruined her phone with all the times she got out of the pool to check her phone, so it had water damage. She was very angry about that, so that's probably where some of her rage came from. So I drove her home, and besides crying a little, she was ok. By the time we got to her house, and seemed to be ok again. Wasn't crying or hitting or anything. f***ing nuts. I have never seen her act like this. I know it should be a no-brainer that I never talk to this chick again, especially after episode she had at my house, but we work together, and we text eachother for hours on end each day. So it's going to be hard to just completely cut her off, and with someone who has some many emotional problems, I don't want to make things worse by just ditching her. I don't think I will ever let her drink so much around me again, that's for damn sure. I don't care that I got to see her tits almost the whole night (and they are spectacular B cups by the way, for such a little body), because that was a scary hour or so of her melting down.

Well, if we don't sign Soptic, then we get a comp pick next year, right? Because I think your first 3 rounds are covered with compensation for a failure to sign.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Jul 7, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) Wow. Is he projected as a back-of-the-rotation starter or as a reliever? Either way, the Sox look like they've uncovered a gem. I would assume a back-of-the-rotation guy. Like probably can be a #5 guy with potential to be a #4. Not an "exciting" prospect in my mind (mainly because he turns 26 by the end of the year, and was never a big-upside prospect) , but it's hard to deny the numbers he has put up. His dad actually posts here, so that's pretty cool as well.

Thanks for the replies, everyone. So I am not going to go in to details about what happened today, because I am far too hungry and tired right now to type out the multi-paragraph story I have to tell, but long-story short version until I come back tomorrow is that this chick absolutely flipped out tonight (She was hammered drunk), and I REALLY need to avoid this situation any further. Easier said than done, because I know I will end up thinking about her again, but I wish I didn't give a s*** because this girl showed me a very, very bad side of her tonight. Long story short, a lot of crying, rage, and half-naked. Feel free to speculate, lol, but I will explain more tomorrow.

QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) Isn't Beachy's upside pretty minimal? No?

Doyle went a CG, 7 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 6 K. Last 3 starts..... 26 IP, 16 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 16 K, 1.03 ERA, 0.69 WHIP, 8 K:BB

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 07:44 AM) Not to mention she is pretty much already cheating on her boyfriend with you. Not really. We have never done anything, and we have only seen each other outside of work 1 time (mainly because he doesn't allow her to hang out w/ boys). All we do is talk non-stop.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:12 AM) So I've recently been hanging out with this girl and have started to get to really like her, only problem is she is the little sister of one of my good friends. Her and I are the same age so it's not weird that I would be going after her in that sense, but she and I have both decided that I should talk to him before we actually go on a date or anything. He is very protective of her and I am not looking forward to having this conversation at all. Convince your friend that he should be happy that he knows and can trust the guy his sister is dating. He should take comfort in the fact that he knows you won't do anything wrong and will take care of her well. I'd work that angle with him if I were you.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:37 AM) I have to initially agree with your friend. But even if she's seriously into you, just remember that if she would cheat on her boyfriend with you, she'll cheat on you at some point as well. Yeah, that's what my friend said too. It sucks because this girl is one of the coolest chicks I know. She admittedly is not like a bombshell, or any girl I would double take at, but she is so cool to talk to and hang out with, that if we ever go a whole day without texting eachother (it's happened only a couple times since I came home from school for the summer), that I get pretty anxious to talk to her again or anticipate a reply. It's a really weird feeling for me. With my last girlfriend, I was never this attached to her as this new girl seems to be. I wonder how I am going to feel when I am at school and going multiple months at a time without seeing her. I mean, this girl and I text from about 11 pm to about 3-4 am every night. We text eachother until we are ready to go to sleep, and then say goodnight to eachother. It's really an odd feeling going to sleep and not texting her goodnight. As you can probably guess, we are texting eachother as we speak. One big problem w/ her (personally speaking), and it's kind of a big deal, is that she has had a really bad past. I'm talking sexual abuse as a child, physical abuse by father/ex-boyfriend, her mom left her and moved far away, she used to have problems w/ alcohol, and she has to take anti-depressants. It sucks she is so damaged by her past, but for some reason I really love being able to help her feel better. Like whenever she texts me and says she is sad or feeling depressed or whatever, it bothers the hell out of me until I can get her into a good mood. I almost feel like a need to take care of her of something, I guess.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 01:28 AM) Wow, the final scenes of season 3 of Breaking Bad! 6353 Wantabo, Apartment 6. Yeah. BOOM!!! I f***ing got such a rush of adrenaline when he said that s***. Pumps me up every time I see that scene!

So my "work flirt" and I are going to the Sox game tomorrow (with 2 other co-workers). I'm interested to see how this plays out. She has a boyfriend (I know, I know), but she has already told me she has a "school girl crush" on me, we text each other for 3-5 hours a day, she always says she misses me, and said she has had a "sex dream" about us. I know, the evidence sounds compelling, but the fact of the matter is that she still has a boyfriend, and she doesn't seem to have plans of breaking up w/ him, and she always tells me she would never cheat on him. My good female friend that I've been giving updates to thinks she is just leading me on, and likes having a guy she can talk to all the time through text and whatnot, but she thinks this girl is just being a tease. We have never gotten close to doing anything wrong, but one night after work we got dinner together, and then spontaneously hung out in the parking lot at work until almost 3 AM in the morning. We just stood outside my car, smoking little swisher sweets, listening to music, and talking for hours. Then she kept saying how it is so hard to so goodbye to me, and she didn't want to leave. Then as soon as we left each other, she texted me and said she missed me. So, what's the deal here? Does she just liking having multiple guys lust over her? Is she just leading me on? Or is she just afraid of change, and doesn't want to end a multi-year relationship with her boyfriend for some guy who is going back to college in a month and a half?

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 12:54 AM) Welcome! Also, don't let any of Joecoolman's nicknames get to you or you will become depressed pretty fast. YOU RESPECT MY AUTHORITY, DAMNIT!

Welcome, but don't let this place get to you, or you will become depressed about this team pretty fast!

QUOTE (Uman85 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 12:45 AM) I'm saying a lot of the guys on the squad aren't more deserving than Paulie. He shouldn't have to be on the Final Vote ballot to get in. He's having a great year. Like Tim Cowlishaw said today on Around the Horn. Konerko isn't an all-star candidate, he is an MVP candidate.

I'll be there tomorrow. Carlos Quentin almost ALWAYS hits a home-run when I attend a game. I would say like 85% of the time.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 12:22 AM) The Phllies paid half of Thome's contract. And Thome put up an 11 WAR in 4 seasons with the Sox.