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Fans can vote for the MVP? That is so f***ing lame. I hate baseball sometimes.

If there's no clear cut offensive pick, maybe Sale gets the MVP. Can't argue with 6 up 6 down.

Why the hell would the starter only go one inning? Stupid.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 10:22 AM) I think you guys read too much into the "leave them alone" thing. They aren't literally saying nothing. They are just not doing aggressive re-working with them. And I refuse to believe they haven't started doing more things with him, as he continues to struggle. That just makes no sense to me. But in Hawkins' case, I think it is certainly time for more drastic measures. I think we are seeing a player that isn't taking to coaching, at this point. That is the more likely scenario then, hey, we're just going to not say anything and see what happens. Buddy Bell seems to be on Rongey's show every Saturday. Maybe one of you guys on Twitter can ask Rongey to ask Bell specifically what is going on with Hawkins this year, and what are the plans in the offseason.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 10:08 AM) I seriously can't fathom how anyone could honestly write and believe "it'd be over for him as a hitter" about a 20 year old. #1-- I said probably, meaning probable. Meaning more than likely. Not 100%. #2-- Good players don't struggle in A ball for two years. If he struggles two years in a row at A ball, yes, he's probably not good enough to make it the majors. That's just a fact.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) There's no way you'd continue to play him if he was being outright insubordinate. I have a feeling they're not working on his mechanics very much. I just don't know why. When I've heard Buddy Bell, he talks about leaving "the good ones" alone, and let them try to figure it out on their own. Obviously Hawkins is a very aggressive hitter, so if he's still on his own, he's failing on his own. This year is probably a lost cause, so it really comes down to breaking it down in the offseason, and coming back to Winston-Salem for a full season as a much better player. But if he's the same guy a year from now, it's probably over for him as a hitter.

I hope somebody gets through to him in the next year, or it'll be over.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 10:03 PM) Which is why I never understand when i see posters use the rebuild word. But the offense doesn't put up 4-5-6 runs a night, and the farm system sucks. Trading Peavy is clearly the right move to make if they get the right offer. And if somebody wants to take on John Danks, you do it in a heartbeat.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) Looking at that rotation, whether we trade Peavy or not, that looks like a fantastic pitching staff It's definitely a rotation you could hang with if the offense was putting up 4-5-6 runs a night.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,2724414.story Tentatively, the rotation is Danks, Peavy, Quintana, Sale, Santiago Peavy will start July 20, 25, and 30 before the trade deadline.

That Winston-Salem game through 6 innings has featured: 15 walks 6 errors 3 HBP 4 wild pitches DeMichele with three errors

Hot smash single for Hawkins.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?c...mp;ymd=20130715

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) It was the right pick at the time. If the Sox would have taken Michael Wacha at the time, many would have been upset. He was looked at the typical safe college starter that the Sox used to take. Everyone wanted the high impact HS bat including myself. Then he fell to us. It was the right pick at the time. I would say Sale fell to the Sox at 13. Hawkins kinda went where he was supposed to. Baseball is tough. It's amazing how much time and money is put into scouting, and for a lot of first rounders they don't make the big leagues or they don't have notable big league careers.

Simon Castro got sent down, so maybe they're activating Peavy on Friday.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 15, 2013 -> 08:05 AM) For all the people pointing out that few players (or none) have had as bad a K rate as Hawkins early in their careers and been successful... how many HS draftees went to A+ their draft year? Were playing there at 18 and 19? Some sure, but very, very few. It is such a small group that, really, the comparisons don't mean a ton. It is also worth pointing out that, as of a few days ago (when we were doing the FS T25 write-up), he had K'd in about 57% of his first 70 PA (until just before his injury), but his rate since then has been about 36% over 150 PA. Just something to keep in mind. 36% is bad, but isn't nearly 57% bad. Being worried about Hawkins makes complete sense. Saying he is a "bust" at this point does not. That's fair, but he would be in a category of his own if he turned out to be a successful everyday middle-of-the-order major league player. That said, at most, he'll play 95 games this year. That's not a lot to go on either. So no matter what happens this season, he'll still only going to be 20 next year and more than likely he'll go right back to Winston-Salem to play 135 games. He's got plenty of time. Hopefully a year from now, we're all talking about his improvement over 2013.

QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Jul 14, 2013 -> 10:49 PM) I have to echo this sentiment, posters have been too hard on Hawkins this year and have unfairly scrutinized him. I really enjoy visiting Soxtalk and following the minor league action, this community is by far the most knowledgeable about the team's minor league system so I really value everyone's input in the game threads. I feel like I gain a very good understanding of the players within our system but also the system as a whole, the good with the bad. Unfortunately the current trend seems to be to keep a running count of Hawkins' strikeouts and mental errors and not in a constructive manner but a very sardonic, cynical tone. My question is, what's the point of being so cynical and pessimistic? What do you have to gain by scrutinizing a player's performance to the point of not allowing anyone else to have a shred of optimism for that player? Is it some type of Borchard hangover? This isn't a personal attack against any particular poster but rather a deeper, philosophical question on how to view the players in our minor league system. Also regarding Hawkins' troubles this season, can you imagine if you were a Royals fan right now? Bubba Starling, who at one point was compared to Mickey f***ing Mantle is barely hitting above the Mendoza line in the Sally league, so let's cut Hawkins a little slack for struggling. He still has the most talent and best physical tools in our system, let's give him a couple of years (or at least one full season in professional ball!) before we write him off. Sorry for the rant. I'm still hopeful Hawkins can turn it around this season and next year. Like I said yesterday, it wold be unfair to put the "bust" label on a 19 yr old, but the fact is no future big league player with 250 career homers ever struggled to this extent with an average under .200, an OBP under .300, and almost a 50% K rate in their minor league careers. That's just a fact. So it would be a good sign if he could get those numbers improved over the next 7 weeks of the season. He's got 37 games left. I hope he does well.

Double for Hawkins. Woo.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 14, 2013 -> 07:27 PM) Or in today's society, you have crazy parents trying to get little Timmy medically supervised steroids so he can earn a scholarship to college and maybe go pro. Unfortunately that exists too. I just don't understand the "entertain me" mentality. If everyone had to take steroids to get to the big leagues, then it's just pro wrestling. It would kill the sport because I think most people want it clean, and we're smarter than in 1998. If it's just known that everyone is juiced, that's it for baseball.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 14, 2013 -> 07:20 PM) I think steroid use should be regulated like plastic surgery is. You'd have to see a medical professional to do it. Steroids aren't necessarily dangerous if you use correctly (which is less likely when you can't have medical supervision, sterility of syringes, non-black market drugs) Just what every parent wants...little Timmy has a great baseball skills, and if he's really good, someday he'll get medically supervised steroids. That's just great.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 14, 2013 -> 07:17 PM) You never plan around 18 year old prospects panning out Still, if you have the 13th pick in the draft, it shouldn't be somebody who is terrible in A-ball. If Hawkins doesn't become an everyday White Sox player, it's not good for Kenny, Buddy, Laumann. That's on them too.

And Hawkins K's again. 104 K's 207 AB's Incredible.

Holmberg got crushed today. 8 runs in 2.2 inn. Still, 2.97 ERA in 19 starts. 118.1 inn., 105 H, 33 BB, 84 K He'll turn 22 on Friday.

Hawkins swings on 3-0, makes an out. HAHAHAHAHHAH. He's so bad.

Some big offense today. Wilkins 3-3, 2 HR.