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Thome isn't a dumb baserunner either.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 02:25 PM) Yes, recently with the Pierre and Teahen deals. Well Steve, let's hope it's true and Kenny doesn't overpay.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) Couldn't we field a pretty good team with a lot of the guys we've traded away the last 3 years? Who...?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 01:56 PM) Also, I believe that Dan Hudson's value alone is worth far more than the 2 draft picks that are being acquired for Dunn. Simply considering the present value of Dan Hudson's services alone far outweighs that of 2 draft picks who, if the team is very, very lucky, will make it to the majors 24 months after they are drafted (just meaning a season and a half...if they're drafted in 2011, the team will be extremely lucky to get any significant contribution from said player in June of the 2013 season). If I am the White Sox, I don't give up any more than Hudson, Danks2, and a lower level minor leaguer for Dunn. Like I said above, Hudson's value, even as a #3 starter (which I assume people believe to be about a 4.25 ERA, which would probably make him closer to a league average #2 starter, but we'll say #3 and just run with it) is worth far more than 2 draft picks in next year's draft who won't be able to contribute until atleast 3 years after the trade is consummated anyways, especially considering Hudson is MLB ready right now. As such, his additional value goes towards covering the cost of Dunn. Add a talented player in the form of Jordan Danks in there as well as the upside of a lower level minor leaguer in there too, and you have yourself a deal. Hudson is ranked around 60th in BA's top prospect list this year. That puts him at roughly a value of $10-$14 million. A compensation pick is equal to $5 million. So you're right, Hudson alone is worth the two draft picks.

Wow, he's lucky. Will somebody please tell this guy how to properly throw a pitch so that this doesn't happen again?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 01:43 PM) His elbow was bound to blow up again eventually. I have to admit, dont care that much, never liked the guy. He constantly threw across his body at 100+MPH. That doesn't work.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 01:00 PM) Am I in the minority that doesnt think Dunn alone makes this team a WS contender? I really am opposed to giving up Hudson for a 4 month rental Of course it doesn't.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 12:37 PM) Chase Blackwood for Prince Fielder, would you do it? No way, they'd have to throw in Yovani Gallardo to make that deal worthwhile.

Japan loses in PKs. That was interesting...

I'd like to see De Aza on this roster. Give Pierre something to play for. When he was given a chance last year, he hit real well. It's as if the guy can't hit when there's nothing endangering him.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 11:07 AM) I didn't say happy or satisfied, but I think that team could win the east. I don't know about winning the east, especially if LeBron and Bosh go to Miami. But that's at least a 55 win team if Boozer is healthy.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 11:11 AM) Just look at the Peter Francis Geraci Bullpen Bar as a perfect example. lmao

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 10:53 AM) I know they're all awesome individual players, but I'm not ready to concede that the Heat would be some mega monster with Wade, LBJ, and Bosh. I'm not convinced they'd make a great TEAM. Wade and LBJ are way too similar. One of them would need to take a step back and become the other's running mate. I'd feel comfortable with a Bulls team of Rose, Johnson, Deng, Boozer, and Noah with extra cap space to maybe sign Allen (w/ Deng/Gibson on the bench, or no Deng at all which opens up a couple more solid additions). I sure as hell wouldn't and I think a lot of us would be extremely disappointed and pissed off. At the least, we need to get Bosh.

QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 10:44 AM) He's a rental and good draft picks. In regards to Santos, if the Nats want Santos for Dunn, that's all they get from me, and I'm still not sure I like it. Yeah, which is what I'm a bit afraid of. The Nationals might ask for two of our top prospects. I don't think that's worth it.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 10:35 AM) closest would be the first year Shaq went to LA, would have to think back about top 5, but he was still an elite player then Alright, here's another way to phrase this. When's the last time a team had three, THREE top 10 players? Because I'd definitely consider Bosh a top 10 player.

When's the last time a single team had two of the top 5 players in the NBA?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 10:28 AM) I can see the Nats having an interest in: Viciedo, Flowers, Hudson, Danks 2, & Santos. I assume it would take between 2 and 3 of those guys depending on who we give up. Dunn is under contract for one more year? He's a rental. So I'm thinking one of those guys, maybe 2 of them if you're talking about Danks2, and a throw-in or two.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 10:17 AM) Sergio should be a guy with some serious trade value right now if the Sox wanted to make a move for a bat, and they can do so without killing their bullpen for this year since Santos is the 4th guy in it. If Kenny plans on paying Putz and Jenks a combined $14 million next season and not risk other off-season acquisitions, I wouldn't really care if he traded Santos away. But he's not going to do that.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 10:16 AM) Wait... isn't he talking about Santos Rodriguez? Are you talking about Sergio Santos? He's talking about Sergio.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 10:08 AM) Even though he hasn't been as sharp as early in the season, with his stuff and to a team not contending this year, I imagine Santos would have some value, although it obviously is a hit to the MLB roster for this season for the Sox, so it would have to be a balancing act. Santos is a big part of this team's future. With both Putz and Jenks possibly leaving after this season, you need him more than ever.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 09:55 AM) I keep hearing that, but where has that actually been said by LeBron? Why would he say he was obsessed with so and so when he wants to create his own legacy?

QUOTE (scenario @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 09:57 AM) Will there be any competition for Dunn? Who else needs him? If so, THAT will determine the price. If they are just arbitrarily asking for a high price, screw them... keep looking rather than be held hostage for an expensive rental. The Angels. They don't have a farm that's much better than ours.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 09:35 AM) I hate to say it, but I'd guess it would be Hudson, Morel and Brandon Short for Dunn. Short should have been promoted to B'ham a long time ago considering the numbers he's put up in W-S. If the White Sox give up that package, they better resign Dunn after 2010. Why would the Nationals want Morel? They have Zimmerman. Unless they think Morel will be a good enough offensive player in a corner OF position, I don't think they'd want him. Jordan Danks makes more sense for them. I wish we still had Brandon Allen. He'd be a good piece to a deal like this.

Maybe Zumaya should pull a Billy Wagner and start throwing left handed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2010 -> 09:29 AM) And if I were the Nats...I wouldn't even think of doing it for any and all of the other guys you list. It's pretty damn clear that they will want Hudson.