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QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 02:15 PM) I don't root for losses in baseball because the draft is too unusual. The picks rarely pan out so I'd rather compete for a wild card. Meh. The worse you are the more money you are allowed to spend in the draft. You want to pick as high in each round as possible if you're bad so you can get a larger bonus pool.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) With the new caps, it really isn't going to work like that anymore. I mean they could spend over this year, but all of the best Latin American talent is signed, so pretty much it would have to come from Cuba or Asia. Who out there is worth signing now that is worth handicapping ourselves for the next two years? I can't think of anyone. Then factor in that when with the new caps, those dollars should buy a whole lot more players than it used to in the next July 2 class. On top of that, this the era the Sox need to be able to sign as many players as possible for each season to load up on talent, instead of punting on two full years worth of international talent in the middle of a rebuild. The new agreement starts for this next year's class on July 2nd. White Sox have $4.75 million to spend. They can acquire up to another $3.5 million to spend a total of $8.3 million. There are like 10 teams basically out which I documented earlier in the thread. In an interview with Brian last year, Paddy insinuated that they'd be signing a pretty big name pitcher internationally this year. None of the top 30 or anything has even been released yet.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) Apologize in advance for the dumb question, but I was hoping to gain some clarity on the service times of Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer. Baseball reference has all 3 hitting free agency in 2023, is this accounting for them likely spending most of 2017 in the minors or would they gain extra control if they stayed down there until, say, September? I know Moncada's clock hasn't started yet since he was a September call up, but for these other guys, it would almost make more sense to leave them in the minors all season if it means more control, no? None of them will come up until around June. Their first year won't be until the 2017-2018 season. They will eligible for FA after 2022-2023 season. Think of it as part of this season and then 6 more years after.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) So how does this work? There is another thread that pretty much states we should cheer for losses and the team to suck for the draft pick. So should we cheer for Holland to suck or be a Cy Young candidate? Seems to me, the #1 overall pick is worth more than some measly prospect a team may give you for 2 months of Derek Holland's services. Someone needs to start, Dick. He's a guy that could recoup some value and potentially get moved. You don't have to cheer for losses. Do whatever you'd like. Losing a f***load of games this year does get the franchise closer to a world series though. And that's always the goal.

I've been rooting for losses during the 2nd half of the past 4 seasons. At least this season they will get some of the benefits of actually rebuilding.

Adding the best talent overall is the best way to do this. I hope they continue to do so. When their 1st round pick comes around in June, if the best player is a RHP, they should take him.

MLB.com Top 50 Draft Prospects: http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=draft

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) Do they actually trade the funds or just he ability to spend the funds. I still do not see the White Sox spending any more money then they are comfortable with. They do not spend in free agency or internationally and will give nice contracts to players that give them a hometown discount. If this strategy is not changed I see no reason to believe they are going to spend the money doing things differently. This is similar to the Bears in that they spend enough to fulfill the criteria of spending but then short change the organization in other areas. Otani will end up the Yankees, Dodgers, cubs, Giants or Mariners. I disagree. Once they were given a draft pool to spend, they've chosen to spend the whole thing and even went over twice. The Sox will no doubt spend the entire $4.75 million they have for international prospects. They should acquire $3.5 million more though.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 08:52 AM) Isn't the idea that teams will use some loophole - sign him for a modest amount, agree to DFA him after 1 year (or whatever it's called when you let a player go early in career, and he agrees to sign back for some predetermined massive amount? No idea but that's probably the only way around it and it will be heavily frowned upon if so.

This is what I posted in the other thread regarding the new rules: Here's the Baseball America (paywall) explanation from Ben Badler: http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...hyAyO7IBYWtT.97 Clubs either get $5.75, $5.25, or $4.75 million to spend on international prospects under 25 per year. Teams can trade all of their bonus amounts but can only acquire 75% of their bonus pool in trade. Here are the amounts. $5.75 million Arizona Baltimore Cleveland Colorado Kansas City Pittsburgh St. Louis San Diego $5.25 million Cincinnati Miami Milwaukee Minnesota Oakland Tampa Bay $4.75 million Atlanta Boston Chicago Cubs Chicago White Sox Detroit Houston LA Angels LA Dodgers NYM NYY Philly San Francisco Seattle Texas Toronto Washington Players that cost $10,000 or less don't count against the pool. The following teams can't spend over $300,000 on a player because they are in the penalty from previous years: Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Royals, Athletics, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Nationals, Padres, and Reds. All of those teams can trade their full amounts however. The White Sox can trade for up to $3.5 million more in international money. This is absolutely something that they should be doing. White Sox can spend $8.3 million internationally if they trade for the maximum that they can. I'll be very curious to see if they do this.

Guys, I explained all of this in a thread last week that I started in Future Sox thread. Feel free to have a look. If Otani comes next summer, the most $$ that he can possibly from anyone is like $10 million. The most that a big market team can pay is $8.3 million. That's it. Those are the rules. And that would be an entire bonus pool minus guys making less than $10,000.00

Honestly, I'd take Jarlin Garcia and their competitive balance pick. That's like having an extra 2nd rounder. Sox would have 3 picks in the top 50.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/ml...e120496093.html At least one of the affiliates is already very happy with the new direction. The Charlotte lineup should have Yoan Moncada, Adam Engel, and Jacob May in it. The rotation will consist of Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer with Clark and Burdi in the bullpen. Fun team.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 04:28 PM) Just saw the draft order for the competitive balance portion of the draft was released. Marlins can always throw in their pick to a deal. I would love this idea. Acquiring that pick from them would be great.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) Have any recent Texas Tech quarterbacks had success in the NFL? A bit cautions about some of these "scheme" QBs in college, where anyone steps in and dominates. No they haven't. They are usually noodle armed guys though. Mahomes is way different. He's raw and will need to sit but he has the biggest arm in the class.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) Agreed. I think it'll come down to Washington and Miami for Robertson. I would not be shocked if Miami offered Garrett, Kolek, or Castillo for Robertson because Miami lol Miami has nothing to trade. They'll just sign Ziegler IMO

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Trubinsky or Kizer and I'm good. If both go before 4, take best D available and go Mahomes in round 2 Agree with this. Kizer has the highest ceiling. Trubisky has only started 1 season and Watson is being over-analyzed.

There's no chance Otani is going to come over for $8 million. He'd get $200 million if he waits until his 25th birthday. That was leaked to see if MLB would change a rule. If they don't, we won't see him until 2019.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) im not saying it is right or if they are ready to do that, im just saying i think that is what Fox wants to do to preserve his job. And honestly if it is Romo(which seems to be gaining some momentum after Clayton just named the Bears as his #1 most likely destination), you might have your rookie QB starting before the end of the preseason. He is made of glass I actually think playing a young QB preserves your job more than signing a vet. If you draft a QB, you typically get time. If you sign a vet and he's bad, you typically get fired.

Ryan Pace is drafting a QB. Probably in the 1st round.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) Too many positions to fill not named "quarterback" and no good quarterback prospects. And before you say "Dak Prescott", know every team passed on him 4 times, including the Cowboys. No good QB's is bulls*** though. I like this year's class. I think Kizer, Trubisky, Watson are all better than Jared Goff and Mahomes might be as well. There isn't a Jameis or Mariota but I think it's a very solid group.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 09:06 AM) With Bregman understandably off the table, any Q deal would absolutely start with Martes and Tucker...but I agree it would also take more Reed's value is certainly down, but he could be worth a gamble on? I really like Musgrove, but Houston seems unwilling to deal him and Martes Martes/Tucker/Reed/Stubbs would be a package I would consider if Musgrove was taken out I think Musgrove is maybe a #3 starter. Give me Tucker and Martes for sure. Then build the rest around Laureano, Stubbs, Reed, Perez, etc

QUOTE (Special K @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 08:53 AM) Do we get a comp. pick if Frazier walks at the end of the year? We could but it won't be until like after the 2nd round most likely.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) The headliner still equates to the majority of the value in the deal. I'm not trying to be argumentative...but stop and think what Q's value has been for the last 4 seasons. Now tell me what are the chances Torres ends up giving me that kind of value, projecting him as a 19 year old? MAYBE 25-30%? I kind of feel like it's a double headliner though. It's two top 50 prospects. Francis Martes looks like a TOR starter that is already at AA. Tucker is further away but ahs the potential to be one of these guys deemed untouchable one year from now. Houston has a ton of other high upside types like OF Ramon Laureano and RHP Franklin Perez.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) I have a hard time projecting 19 year old kids, to be honest with you. I totally downplay that. When you look at all the busts and the risks that could happen, especially with high school talent, its just get so freaking hard. We are trading a guy who is, if not elite, damn near elite, and under cost control for a very long time. I just can't justify it when the best guy we get is 19 with plenty of potential reasons for downside. Hell, he put up a .750 OPS in 2016 and in 63 games in 2015, put up a .647 OPS. No matter how good his tools are and how high of a pick he was, I just can't get that warm and fuzzy behind that piece. Remember, Courtney Hawkins put up a .804 OPS in his initial debut and was loaded with "tools". I do admit we are getting two quality pitchers as well...so I'm downplaying those aspects, but we need some dynamic position talent as well and I just don't really get that excited about the proposed package (because the arms aren't that great that it is worth ignoring "need"...if that makes sense). Courtney Hawkins didn't dream of a 70 hit tool.