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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Apr 25, 2016 -> 08:20 AM) Shaq Lawson heating up to the Bears per Matt Miller. This is either agent driven or the Bears want it out there. That front office is locked up tight. I'd be completely fine with that pick though.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) Darron Lee would probably play SS for the Bears. He's not a huge guy but fast as hell. He may end up goig before Jack, something no one would have thought 3 months ago. I wouldn't love the pick, but Fangio's always had hard hitting, fast safeties. Darron Lee isn't really a fit in Chicago anymore. He wouldn't even start for the Bears.

Benetti is fantastic. Breath of fresh air. Having a professional broadcaster is a good thing.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 11:23 AM) I was there too. We were waiting outside the gates for just about 2 hours, so I'm sure there were thousands of people that didn't want to stand out there for that long, so they just left. Even when they let us in, they "upgraded" us to seats in the shade when it was like 30 degrees out in the sun lol, so naturally we were freezing. We ended up sitting in the sunny part in the outfield, but the whole experience was a clown show. I still had a good time though We had OF seats and got inside by the 2nd inning. They gave us vouchers for an April/May game though on the way out and I used it Monday

QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) This is a ridiculous line of thought. (Gee, thanks!) 1.) You think you can take an the total tickets from the first six games of the last two seasons, take the difference and conclude it to be the loss in season ticket base? You know nothing about their internal numbers (By all means, since you have the inside connections, why don't you get a quote directly from Brooks Boyer or someone in the ticket office that contradicts my assertion...that the interest and sales are actually up this year compared to last...) nor do you understand statistics or how attendance works. Very mature. ********Never claimed to have inside information on this. Appreciate ad hominems though. Some people like to talk on things they don't know about, I am not one of them. 2.) You think people in Chicago are coming out to see Trout and Pujols? This isn't LeBron in the NBA. Nobody cares about stars in the post steroid era. But that's probably something you don't understand unless immersed in this society, so I'll give you a pass on that. By this argument, signing superstars doesn't or shouldn't matter, but nor would a complete rebuild, either, because nobody would notice the difference. Immersed in this society? What the heck does that even mean? To make a blanket statement about stars when Bryce Harper is the biggest star in baseball and is on the verge of changing the future of the sport, but I guess nobody cares about him either because Washington's attendance isn't stellar so far either. And nobody on the Northside cares about Arrieta and Bryant at all...either. ********Again, nobody comes out to see Mike Trout. This isn't even my opinion. This is basically accepted. You don't live here and understand how moderate fans view the game. You can only pick up so much from the KC Chronicle or whatever newspaper you pump here. 3.) You fail to mention that the weather in 2016 has been terrible and 2015 Opening series was absolutely perfect weather. Why didn't you mention that? The opening series had 66 degrees for a Friday opening day, 72 degrees for Saturday day game and 71 degrees for a discounted Sunday game. But hey, that doesn't fit your narrative, so why would that context matter? Nor does the context of the White Sox having one of the five best starts in all of baseball this year, versus having one of the worst last year I suppose? ********How did attendance from 2011-2012 go with a better team? White Sox fans don't come out because of a good couple weeks. 5.) 1 Saturday game in each season. 2015 was 40 degrees warmer and drew 2.1K more. 6.) 1 Monday night game in each season. 2016 was 20 degrees warmer and drew 1.6K more. (because all of those fans really love to see the Cleveland Indians 19 times per season versus Trout or Pujols for a single series once a year) ******Your point here doesn't even help your point. In fact, it goes against it. [/color] 7.) So for each of your context-lacking, extraneous 6 game samples (which you deem sufficient enough to make a post about it), there a Friday Opening Day, Saturday day game, a Monday night and a Tuesday night. Two differences in sample: 2015 has a warm Sunday instead of a Thursday day game. Wednesday game was played at night in 2015 vs. during the day in 2016. ******You skipped commenting on this one because it nullified your whole point. But why recognize it if it doesn't fit your theory? 8.) In 2015, the Sox played the Wednesday game at night when people aren't working and in 2016 they played during the day. The 2015 game outdrew the 2016 game by 1.6K. If they didn't think they could draw nearly as well or better on that Wednesday game, why would they even bother scheduling it at that time? Just as a favor to the two teams to play in better weather? Plus, someone mentioned it was scheduled to allow students in the Chicagoland to attend the game because of their spring break. ******This one is pretty funny response. A.) The Sox don't make the schedule. B.) No school in Chicago was on Spring Break this week. Not UIC, DePaul, Northwestern, Loyala, Roosevelt or Robert Morris College. Maybe Chicago St. was? 9.) The sixth game, and the most significant detail you're not including in your insufficient sample analysis is the most important. In 2015, one of the first six games was a Sunday with 71 degrees weather and partly cloudy. On the other side, in 2016, that sixth game is a Thursday day game. The difference in attendance for those two was 2015.) 23.1K - 2016.) 11.4K = 11.7K *******Again, ignore what kicks a hole in your narrative. In conclusion, your difference of 16,212 between 2015 & 2016, which you conclude to be the loss of season tickets holders, is 72.2% attributable to the difference of one game in the six game sample. Having Sunday 1:10 game in perfect weather vs. a Thursday 1:10 game = 11.7K Having a 40 degree temperature difference in Saturday games = 2.1K Having a night game on Wednesday instead of a day game = 1.6K For fair measures, the projections of the White Sox, Adam LaRoche's contract and "Fan Cost index" have nothing to do with attendance and had no place in the OP. Welcome back Caulfield. Apparently it's too difficult to mention these concepts together, so there should be five separate threads, right? The average amount of revenue generated per person who attends a game is completely irrelevant to the White Sox and should be separated from the concept of attendance? And what are "fair measures" exactly? Like a politician when he says one thing when he means the exact opposite? It's not at all relevant that the White Sox are theoretically going to lose half of the money they were saving by LaRoche not playing? How does that make any sense when the entire justification for signing Melky Cabrera last year was the uptick in season ticket packages that was registered after the Robertson and LaRoche moves? I've been following the White Sox since well before you were born and would be willing to bet any amount of money that the season ticket sales are down at least 2,000 if not closer to 3,000 (compared to last year). *******No, it's not too difficult to mention those concepts together. You have almost 40,000 posts indicating the contrary. You're the only person that could turn a thread about attendance, into a thread about the "fan cost index" (I have never heard the fans in America, you know, the ones who go to the games, mention this metric), into a thread about Adam LaRoche not playing an into a probe into whether Melky/Robertson have contracts that are justified. So no it's "too difficult to mention" irrelevant tertiary details. It's just something you do and no one else does. That's why when you're the most recent poster in a thread, people will skip over that thread. Because they don't care to read about 1.) What Kenny Williams did as a player 2.) What the OPS of the Sox is since Joe Crede/Aaron Rowand/Timo Perez left 3.)What Dayton Moore said to Eric Hosmer 4.) some Reinsdorf/Boyer conspiracy theory all in one post. It's tangential, it's hard to read, the logic (if any) is hard to follow and they'd prefer to read about the topic at hand. Brian, the fact that the Sox played the Angels (Trout) last week is one of the main reasons why I went actually. I'm not most people though. I'll go see Bryce Harper in a few weeks as well.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 11:13 AM) Sox have to show they can be contenders this year to draw some buzz in the city over the summer. We all know it's a Hawks/Cubs town right now, as I'm sure the walk-up crowds won't do much to impact an attendance that is already suffering from poor season ticket sales (we know it has to be poor because there wasn't a single fluff article this offseason saying how ticket sales have been good). Tickets on stub hub are super cheap so I think the season ticket sales are probably alright. That's a good indicator. When the ST base is low, tickets on secondary market sites are usually higher.

I mean it is kind of embarrassing. Sox fans suck though. Nobody should be surprised.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) Matt Miller just tweeted that the most recent buzz for the Bears is OLB Leonard Floyd and OLB Darren Lee He mentioned Shaq Lawson too. Nobody has any idea though. Teams are so tight-lipped right now, especially the Bears. Darron Lee wouldn't even start for the Bears. Floyd is my nightmare scenario. 24 year old rookie that is small and can't set the edge. No thanks.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 09:00 AM) Aside from Paxton lynch suddenly being in play in the top ten, who do we think could be the biggest surprise player to jump in there? OT Jack Conklin.

It starts May 4th: http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/04/04/the-ch...ler-cast-video/

QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) Agreed. Any ideas? You know what I want; a middle of the order left handed bat. However, with Morneau and Ethier injured, who is left? I don't want Bruce. What would it take to get CarGo from the Rockies, and would you be willing to do it? Nobody is making a trade until Mid-Late May at the earliest. At this rate, CarGo won't even be available. They are in a tough spot because teams don't trade this early.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 07:13 AM) While the Sox don't have good attendance, there are a few reasons why they've drawn so few people so far. 1. Danks has pitched twice at home, and people won't spend their hard earned money to watch him. 2. A game was rained out. 3. The game before that was terrible weather, and the upper deck was closed and many people left as a result. 4. Day games during the week never draw many people. Why did those people leave? There were upgraded to the 100 level for free and at that point, they could literally sit anywhere they wanted. I was at that game.

QUOTE (glangon @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 08:18 AM) Ironically, Rollins, Sands and Saladino have been our 4th, 5th and 6th best hitters with Rollins hitting .217, Sands hitting .231 and Saladino hitting .267. I know that Sands defense was ropey when he played at 1st base but his outfield defense is better than both Cabrera and Avi. I agree that Avi needs to be sent down for a Left Hander, so I think I'd want to see some speed and bring up Jacob May. I think I'd platoon May and Sands in Left Field and stick the Melkman at DH. There will also be the option to stick EJ or a pensman to Charlotte once the long spell of games is out of the way (May 2nd). That could be used to bring up another bat to help. Jacob May is not ready for the majors and shouldn't be used in a platoon role. If anyone new comes up, I think it'll be Jason Coats.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 08:18 AM) I hope the Cubs sign him long term, as it would be great to see them have another albatross contract along with Lester and Heyward. It doesn't really matter though for them. They'll just be able to spend over their mistakes. They'll be printing money soon.

Arrieta is like 99 Pedro right now. Just a machine. He was supposed to be really good though, guys. Nobody thought this good but definitely a #1 starter. He was a high draft pick. Baltimore tried to change him and f***ed him up. He went to the Cubs and they told him to just pitch how he wants to pitch and here we are. I think it'll be curious to see what happens over next couple years. He's a free agent after 2017, will be 31 years old and in line for a 7-8 year deal. Not sure if the Cubs it at that point. Someone will though.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) Rollins can still hit LHP I believe he had a 115 wRC vs LHP last season. He had 11 of his 13 homers vs RHP though.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 07:15 PM) Kiper and McShay are doing a live mock right now: Goff Wentz Tunsil Bosa Jack Ramsey Conklin Buckner Stanley Elliott Bears: Floyd I'm not a fan of Floyd. He's small, gets blocked often, isn't explosive, and will be a 24 year old rookie. Hard pass.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 22, 2016 -> 07:11 AM) Without going outside the organization, here is my humble assessment and suggestion: Jackson has been squaring up a lot of pitches, and hitting into very bad luck. He looks like he could still be the career .270 hitter, with a respectable OBP, whom the Sox acquired. He is young enough, with a long enough track record to garner some confidence in his ability to perform. We can't minimize the fact that he anchors the outfield defense. I'd bat him either in the 2 hole, or 9TH. Versus RHP, Melky needs to bat between Abreu and Frazier, both because he is the only viable run producing left handed bat, and because he seems to hit better in the middle of the lineup. I like him at DH much better than LF, where although he has made the plays, every ball hit to him seems like an "adventure". Saladino is a much better defensive shortstop than Rollins, who has clearly lost a step. He should get at least half of the playing time. Tyler could hit against all LH starters and get a few starts vs. right handed starters. I love his baseball acumen, and wonder if he might be a decent number two hitter. He can bunt, but I don't know about his ability to hit to right, on hit and run plays. Avi should be sent to AAA, and get a chance to play the outfield and hit every day. Maybe he needs more reps, as Robin suggested, with his new approach, until it becomes completely natural and comfortable and until he gains more confidence in it. Coats seems like the logical choice. He would make that outfield defense really solid, with him in left, Jackson in center and Eaton in right. Although he isn't left handed, he hits RHP at least as well as he hits lefties, and is currently hitting .415 vs. RHP in his 41 at bats. Lineup Vs. RHP: CF Eaton SS Saladino 1B Abreu DH Melky 3B Frazier 2B Lawrie C Avila LF Coats CF Jackson If Saladino doesn't fill the 2 hole, he could be switched with Jackson, in the order. There isn't anything especially dramatic, or creative in these suggestions, but it would shake things up a bit, and suggest to everyone that the organization demands some accountability, and is not apathetic about a complete failure of the offense to produce. There is also the intangible benefit of rewarding a guy like Coats, who has apparently worked very hard, and is showing some marked improvement. I'd probably go vs LHP 1. Eaton RF 2. Abreu 1B 3. Cabrera DH 4. Frazier 3B 5. Lawrie 2B 6. Jackson CF 7. Navarro C 8. Coats LF 9. Saladino SS vs RHP 1. Eaton RF 2. Abreu 1B 3. Cabrera DH 4. Frazier 3B 5. Lawrie 2B 6. Jackson CF 7. Coats LF 8. Avila C 9. Rollins SS They really need a LH run producer fort the middle of that lineup.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) I agree he doesn't fit the regular "fit", but I think Hargreaves plays so physical and is so talented, that they look past it. I disagree. They have these thresholds for a reason. If it's a CB, I think it'll be William Jackson.

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Again forget about WAR. Austin Jackson has a better WAR than Fowler but who do you want on your team? A guy who gets on base at a 370 clip or a guy who can't get on base. We need a 2 hole hitter not a number 9 hitter. Sure Jackson is a better fielder but thats why we have defensive replacements. We need a 2 hole hitter that won't cost us our minor leagues. He fits the bill perfectly no matter what his WAR says. And flowers was a great pitch framer, lol. Meaningless I don't think Steve likes stats.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) Jack is one of the top 8 players on the board. I take him if he's available. Looking more like Elliot might not get there and I really still think if Lynch is there, he might very well be our pick (unless one of the top dlineman or Elliot fall to us). If it isn't any of those guys, I think we go Hargraves or Leonard. Leonard Floyd and A"Shawn Robinson are the 2 guys I really don't want. I don't think Hargreaves is an option at all. Doesn't fit Fangio mold. I can't see them spending a 1st on a 5'10 CB.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) I've read the Chargers worked Jack out in Safety drills. If he did somehow drop, what are your thoughts on playing him there? If Trev or Freeman get hurt you can move him down and not skip a beat. If Myles Jack is on the board, the Bears should take him. I highly doubt he will be though. Fangio is so multiple on defense that you'd just find a spot and plug him in.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) Assuming Bosa, Ramsey and Brouner aren't there, what's the consensus on Jack's health? The talent might be too good to pass up at 11, but the red flags are pretty red for a team a couple years (best case) from contending. Hargraves falling to 11 is the most reasonable scenario that would fit a major need. If Lynch is still there, might be able to get somebody to trade up. Maybe somebody who is already a contender would trade up to get Jack if he's still on the board? Myles Jack goes 5 to Jacksonville in my opinion. His knee is fine.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 08:05 AM) I think the fine, suspension and sensitivity training are all fair and just punishments. Shaw acted like an idiot and lost his composure. To me, what he said is really bad if it was directed at someone who is gay or is thought to be gay. I suspect, though, that it's his ignorant way of emasculating someone. Also bad, but different. Growing up, f** was something kids called each other as a put down. Same as retard. It's not acceptable now, nor should it be. I hope Shaw understands that the player or ref he was yelling at probably doesn't care about what he was yelling (assuming he is not gay). But, a kid at home watching who is gay might be hugely impacted by what he or she was seeing. Back to hockey, I hope the rest of the Hawks can raise their level of effort to that which Shaw brings every time he's on the ice. He never seems to take a shift off. Great post.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 09:02 AM) Is some team really going to pay Josh Norman 16 million a year? I think the Panthers were smart to let him go. I'm not sure any CB is worth 16 million a year. Especially not one who had one good year. Sounds like Tampa Bay or San Francisco might. He's awesome. He's 28 though. Panthers were smart. They obviously reached out to clubs and could only get late round picks in return. By doing this, they'll receive a 3rd round comp pick in 2017 when he signs elsewhere.