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There was interesting stuff in what Ryan Pace said today but it's stuff we already knew: Jeffery will be back via the tag or a long term deal, Long could play either RT or LT depending on personnel, They are trading Martellus Bennett, Jaylon Smith would be an option at 11, decided to move on from Forte regardless of price.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 09:21 PM) He's not a fit defensively. Fowler shouldn't be either then.

I don't understand why the Sox should have paid Fowler and given up a valuable pick just because he's better than what they currently have. It would have been humorous to see White Sox fans complaining about Fowler's deal next offseason though.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 05:58 PM) I'm just... Confused. The #WhiteSox claim to be broke, so if that was the case, why did they ever think trading so many prospects instead of selling was a good idea? As of right now, they projected mainly mediocre. Which is ironically what they've been a lot since 2005. They didn't really trade any good prospects though. They can win the division as currently constructed. I'm not a Dexter Fowler fan though.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Why would letting him play on a 1 year contract be a nightmare? Most players ball out in their contract year. I would prefer he stays, but there are some intriguing names out the at TE that would be cheaper. That said money shouldn't be an issue with all the cap they have. Because he'll be a pain in the ass and not show up for anything. He didn't do offseason stuff last year when he had 2 years left.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 19, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) Rappaport also reporting that the Bears are moving on from Marty. Again, I find this absolutely foolish. We have little talent and have a major need to infuse other positions, yet we are going to create another need. Unless we can get real value in trade, it just doesn't make sense to me. Bears will get a 6th rounder for Bennett and it will be fine. They don't want to pay him and letting him play on a 1 year deal is a nightmare scenario. I don't necessarily agree with this stance but they don't think he loves football. They see the creative stuff as a distraction. I expect them to hit TE in free agency.

This thread is already a dumpster fire. I'll never understand why people are so worried about a team not in the White Sox division when they claim to be White Sox fans. Just pointless.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:43 AM) There is no question the offense was improved w Lawrie and Frazier. But the effect on the defense w them and Saladino versus Alexei remains to be seen. At this point the outfield defense has not improved. So offensively, the offense needed improvement and that should happen. But if the overall defense is worse, the improvement may not be significant. Frazier and Lawrie aren't bad defenders though. Not as good as Sanchez and Saladino but I'll take the slightly worse defense for way better offense. The bad defense isn't why the White Sox were horrible last year. It was having an all time bad offense.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) I'd trade Avi and Petrika for him if the Reds threw in a little $ I'd do Petricka and Garcia for Bruce as well. Bruce has been bad but he offers LH power. I'd consider Saunders as well if it's cheap.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 23, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) I really like Petricka. I hope the Sox don't trade him for someone fairly average or below. What do you like about him? Groundball %? I'm really just curious as I think he's the bullpen guy that I'd move ideally. His Walks/Hits to K% is bad and a recipe for disaster at some point if you ask me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) That 103 OPS+ was in 227 ABs, and five years ago. So if I am going to hear about sample size, I would give more respect to a current sample versus one half a decade old. You aren't looking at his numbers specifically vs LHP though. You are looking at entire seasons which doesn't really make sense. Sands taking LaRoche's at-bats vs LHP wouldn't be terrible thing. That's all anyone is saying.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) He put up a .236 .286 .390 .676 slash line, for an 80 OPS+, at the major league level in 2015. He only had 133 plate appearances though. He has been really good vs LHP in his career. 130 wRC+

QUOTE (hi8is @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) That was said today? Yes. I need to find it. May have been Kane or Santos

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 12:56 PM) This is fine, of course. But I pray that this isn't what Hahn/media have been referring to as "another move possible." One of the beat writers tweeted that Hahn emphasized that he may have " one more move left in him" prior to opening day.

Kathleen Zellner isn't messing around apparently: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/making-murderer-st...-004553810.html

Last season, Rollins had a wRC+ of 114 vs LHP as RHB. Only hit 2 homers though. He was worse as a LHB vs RHP but did hit 11 homers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) Though I will say if Rollins is the starter, Saladino makes a much better utility guy. This was my thought as well. If Rollins can start, Saladino makes a nice utility guy. Does Carlos Sanchez have any value? Sanchez/Petricka get a decent OF or probably not?

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) I knew you would jump in NorthSide . That is a great point that many relievers have the ability to throw upper 90's but with detriment to their command. It may be likely that the White Sox re-tool him and he instead will become a 95-97 type guy. My point is you can't teach velocity and reining a guy like Kahnle has some exciting possibilities than aren't available to most other pitchers. Tommy Kahnle is one of the reasons why I thought a guy like Petricka would be used to get an OF

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Feb 22, 2016 -> 09:15 AM) Yadiel Hernandez's showcase is tomorrow. I am really interested to see if the Sox will be in attendance. Does Hernandez count against the bonus pool or is he a regular free agent?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 06:56 PM) Jackson can play all 3 outfield spots. he also gives the Sox the ability to hide Laroche from left handed pitching. I guess they want to see what they have with Sands and a couple of others. I think it says that Boras still wants too much $$ for Jackson.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) Over the last two seasons: Player A: .261/.358/.401/.759 Player B: .266/.348/.393/.741 Player A is Dexter Fowler, Player B is Brandon Guyer. Rays have Morrison/Pearce/Pena/Dickerson/Kiermaier/Jennings/Mahtook/Souza Jr./Jennings/Guyer for DH, 1B and the three outfield spots. That's ten guys for five spots. They have to move a few guys. Guyer gives the Sox a pre-arb outfielder who can play good defense at all positions. He's a luxury as a 4th outfielder and a strong insurance option for Avi. He's a grinder too, hah. vs. RHP L CF Eaton S LF Cabrera R 1B Abreu R 3B Frazier L DH LaRoche R 2B Lawrie R RF Garcia/Guyer L C Navila R SS Saladino vs. LHP L CF Eaton R RF Guyer R 1B Abreu R 3B Frazier S LF Cabrera R DH Garcia R 2B Lawrie R C Navarro R SS Saladino Guyer would be a nice addition. Coghlan is a guy that I've talked about a lot too. In a perfect world, you could nab Guyer and Coghlan. Probably not realistic at all though and would potentially cause some bench issues with LaRoche and Garcia rostered as well.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Feb 19, 2016 -> 07:07 AM) Blackhawks/Cubs 1, 1A 3) Bears 4) Bulls 5) White Sox White Sox have a much better chance than the Bulls. Bulls are in basketball hell. They can't get out of the East and if they could they can't best the Warriors/Thunder/Spurs anyway. If the Sox get in the playoffs, they can win the whole damn thing with their pitching.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 07:49 PM) The Bears have done nothing to prove otherwise. The Sox and Bulls have legitimate stars on their teams. This is nuts. The Bears play in the sports where it's the easiest to get better. They also have a coach that has proven that he can develop talent in multiple stops. The Bears are in good hands and trending upward.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 09:42 PM) Levine says that the Sox didn't think Desmond was a fit due to his K rate and defense http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/02/18/lev...hahn-white-sox/ Well if they didn't like Desmond's defense, they probably aren't interested in Fowler either.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) Well, I disagree. The White Sox had a chance to exceed that offer and did not, and I've seen nothing that indicates our offer was better than Kansas City. I am sure Gordon did want to stay in KC, but offering him a better deal to play with you (your "could help it" scenario) I am confident would have swayed him. I bet the Sox offered 4 years at decent $$. No reason for KC to give a 4 year deal and 5th year option if Sox hardlined at 3 years.