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QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 07:50 AM) So I havent been here as long as most of you, but is greg an elaborate troll or just kinda baseball stupid? ..........................

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) I hope that they can try Kyle Long at RT next year. Jordan Mills just isn't cutting it. I'm all for an upgrade to Jordan Mills but I hope it isn't Long. Kyle Long is great at OG and he has short arms for an OT. He's in the perfect spot.

Bruce Levine's thoughts: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/10/02/lev...op-free-agents/

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 12:15 PM) I like Surkamp a lot more than I like Snodgress, and I think Webb might make the team too, but it looks like a reasonable foundation. You would hope you can do something in a trade where you don't have to eat his entire contract. I meant to include Daniel Webb. I just don't see Danks in next year's rotation. I know it's tough to just assume that he will get dealt but I think he'll get dealt.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) The only name where I think they'll aim for something a bit more proven or with a better track record is the left handed power bat. There's just a ton that can go wrong with Pedro Alvarez and only a little that can go right. They may have interest, but I'm guessing he'd be about 5th or 6th on the list and it's just as likely, if not likelier, that someone else would scoop him up before the Sox would. Very understandable. Hes youngish and definitely available though so I put him. What are everyone's thoughts on a staff like this....... 1. Chris Sale 2. Jose Quintana 3. RHP #3 type (Masterson, McCarthy, Volquez, etc) 4. Hector Noesi 5. Chris Bassitt 6. Carlos Rodon (Most likely by June) Bullpen RHP Soria RHP Putnam RHP Guerra RHP Petricka LHP Duke LHP Snodgress

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 09:50 AM) And if JR wants it, it will happen. Honestly, I think we have already gotten the shopping list between bits of what Jerry, Kenny, and Rick have said. We know they want a RHSP. We know they want a LH power hitter. We know they have been working hard on a deal to bring in someone through a 3 way deal, which could still happen. We know they are going to address the pen. Any speculation about the off season should be based on those points. I'll take a stab at it: Justin Masterson, Zach Duke, Joakim Soria, Pedro Alvarez, and Dustin Ackley.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 09:06 AM) Higher draft pick, less money for the draft, less money for the international pool, etc. I felt that way last year and this year. I'm ready for them to compete next year though with a legitimate shot at winning the division in 2016.

Yeah I agree on Gotham. It has been really good so far.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 10:07 AM) This week's opponent has the kind of offense that gives the Bears D problems: an offense with a quarterback. Ehh not really. They don't really have any weapons. And Newton isn't the same player right now. He's really banged up.

So Hockey People: When is this trade going to happen?

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 09:17 AM) The difference between him and Rodon is Rodon would have to spend all of next season in the minors and potentially not be called up in 2016. The cubs have cost Bryant one year of free agency already which could be upwards of $20M down the road. Very true. Rodon will most likely be up by June.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) There is absolutely no way that Bryant is "on board" with the Cubs delaying his service time clock and potentially costing him money. Especially after he has destroyed all minor league pitching. He wants to be in the majors now and thinks he should be. Is he gonna come out and say that publicly? Of course not. Now if Wittenmeyer said that Bryant will hold this against the Cubs 6 years from now, then he is also an idiot. I think you have said this later in the thread, but 6 years from now, Bryant will sign with whatever team offers him x + 1 dollars, if it is the Cubs or not. That's fair. I think when you hire Boras though, the team has to do everything possible to suck every ounce out of service time. Players that sign with him should know that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 09:03 AM) I have the feeling a few posters would actually be very dissappointed if KW is correct and the Sox actually have a good team next season. Why would anyone be disappointed with that?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 08:56 AM) Brad Pitt did. I mean Jonah Hill. Somebody wrote it. Somebody not named Kenny Williams Isn't it Joe Morgan that still thinks the book was written by Billy Beane? haha

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 08:16 AM) Right. This is essentially what Baltimore did last year. The opportunity cost for bringing in one guy with a qualifying offer is giving up the second round pick, so you have to weigh the risk/reward of that one free agent against that one pick. If you bring in two players who receive qualifying offers, you give up a third round pick, which is valued less and is worse than a second round pick, while (for the most part) the rest of the teams in the majors are weighing giving up a first or second round pick for that player, so you are immediately gving up less than those teams. Thus, by signing two free agents who have been made qualifying offers, you are diversifying your risks while giving up a lesser valued asset to do so. Preferably you just don't give up anything and you can sign good players without giving up draft picks, but if the most talented players are receiving QO's, I feel you are at an advantage comparatively speaking by bringing in two of them as opposed to just the one. It also depends on the possible upside of these guys as well. If Player A is viewed as a 1.5 WAR reliever with no draft pick compensation and Player B is a 2 WAR player tied to draft pick compensation, you would try to sign Player A, even at a slightly higher AAV, compared to player B to retain the draft pick. Just that, if you do sign Player B in this instance, you are only giving up a 3rd round pick as opposed to a 2nd. You don't just give up the pick though. You give up the right to use that slotted bonus amount as well. It's a big deal.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) He did not have a major motion picture made about him. There was a major motion picture that was made about the book Moneyball, which was written by Michael Lewis as he documented the Oakland Athletics' season and organizational philosophy (which was fluffed to no end). Beane did do something ground-breaking and radical when he came into the job in Oakland, and now every team in the majors is doing it. It doesn't mean he's the only smart GM in the game. Wait Billy Beane didn't write Moneyball?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 01:56 PM) Then you have to be a Cub fan, because the Sox wouldn't have a fan base left. Where did I say in here that I thought it would be a good idea for the White Sox? The White Sox could never rebuild that way. Never said they could.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 12:57 PM) Well that and 464 losses over a 5 year period. Okay great. What's the difference between 464 losses over a 5 year period and filling in gaps to "Compete" while falling short of the playoffs? I'd rather have the losses and everything that comes with it: higher draft pick, more bonus pools both internationally and in the amateur draft, higher waiver priority during the season, payroll flexibility).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 29, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) Ray Donovan was pretty good this season. I thought the first season was kind of dull except for Jon Voight. But season 2, he was just as spectacular, and the rest of script definitely picked up. Yeah I agree. I really enjoyed Season 2.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) Because not everyone can buy it hook line and sinker. There are a ton of variables in this plan, and a lot of people have elevated the cubs prospect core as 100 percent cant miss prospects. Javier Baez was supposed to signal the beginning of the next phase, and he came up and peed down his leg, and caused a lot of people to slow down the hype train a bit. There is a good chance this team will be very good in a few years, but right now they are banking on a lot of prospects turning into gold. We all know prospects arent a sure thing. I don't think the Cubs are banking on a lot of prospects turning into gold. Their fans are. Some will be good. Some will be bad. A couple will probably be really really good. Some of them will be traded and some will be held on to for too long. The point is that they will have a ton of flexibility and will be able to deal from an area of strength while playing in a major market that won't have the typical payroll restraints of other teams that are rebuilding. 7 of the top 100 will not all be good ML players. But I'd rather have 7 of the top 100 prospects in baseball than not have them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 12:36 PM) To sell newspapers. Well they aren't doing a very good job of that either though. That Saturday Sun-Times is like the size of a McDonald's napkin.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 12:25 PM) not according to wittenmeyer. he said on the radio that he was only reporting what he was told. I have not doubt it was a "don't quote me on this directly." because at this stage of his career why would he. Also who is Bryant's agent? Boras. Boras was quoted as saying that the Cubs were wrong not to bring Bryant up. Boras frequently works behind the scenes this way. Unless bernstein has sources that contradict this, I would believe that Boras leaked it to him just to show his displeasure with the Cubs. I have no doubt that Boras will hold this grudge. It's bulls*** though. If Kris Bryant is awesome he will be on the Cubs for 6 years. If they offer the most $$ at the end of those 6 years, he will remain a Chicago Cub. He's not going to go somewhere else 6 years from now because he has a feeling that he was slighted. He was never slighted. Your agent is good at his job, sucks the most $$ out of teams, and refuses to sign contract extensions. Bryant chose that agent and because of it he has to wait. Same thing will happen with Rodon and the White Sox. When Rodon doesn't break camp with the team, Boras will be on record saying that he should be on the White Sox and blah blah. Just wait. It's coming.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 11:46 AM) I don't know, Bernstein seems to really like the cubs plan more than anyone. He almost wants to be he guy to sit back and say, see I told you they were right. True. Bernstein also said that there is no guarantee that the plan is going to work. The Cubs have been very upfront about what they are doing. The writers at the ST ask questions that have already been answered. If you are one of those people that hates the plan and the way they have gone about their business, then you shouldn't be following Kris Bryant throughout the minor leagues and cheering on all these kids. It's a contradiction. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but some people have stupid opinions. Spending money on free agents in a race to 81 wins is f***ing stupid if you are at the same time trying to infiltrate your system with young talent. Everyone else understands for the most part. The Sun Times is taking this contrarian viewpoint for whatever reason. Not sure why.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 11:23 AM) what did Bernstein say about Gordon Wittenmeyer yesterday? Wittenmeyer told Mully and Hanley that Bernstein could kiss his ass (well butt) this morning. Bernstein called out Wittenmeyer and Telander and basically everyone at the Sun-Times for being stupid about the Cubs. Bernstein was 100% correct too. The SunTimes doesn't listen when the Cubs speak. They are like the voice of the meatball fan. Wittenmeyer wrote an article about how Kris Bryant would leave the Cubs in 6 years because he's mad that they are jerking him around. Bernstein was saying that is totally false and that Bryant is on board with the way the Cubs have handled the situation. Bernstein was asking if there were any quotes from Bryant to backup Gordon's claims and of course there aren't any. Wittenmeyer is a goof.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 1, 2014 -> 08:55 AM) The one thing I can say is that I still can't fathom why Adam Dunn was not on the A's 2 days after the Lester trade. Ok it's not a perfect match but by all accounts you're downgrading your lineup by taking Cespedes out of the middle of it, if you're paying the kind of price you paid for Samardzija then why on Earth would you go cheap about adding in a replacement bat? Do you think the Sox would have taken Sanburn at the actual deadline? I think that is a pretty good prospect in return for Dunn. Beane really gambled and gave up a lot this year. He'll trade-off and recoup some assets this winter for sure.