Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 1, 2013 -> 11:29 PM) Finally an ACTUAL trade rumor to talk about! Of course this is just part of David Schoenfield's 3-team trade ideas, and not based on anything of substance...but.... In one of his hypotheticals, he has the Sox trading Chris Sale and Addison Reed for Jorge Soler, Gary Sanchez, CJ Edwards, Zoilo Almonte, and Vidal Nuno. For those who may not be prospect heads, those would be the Cubs #3 and #5 prospects, and the Yankees #1, #6, and unranked (Nuno). That wouldn't be a terrible haul for Sale, but I also don't think it's one that needs to be made unless the Sox are getting a ace-type prospect back in the package, like Archie Bradley or Dylan Bundy or Taijuan Walker. Obviously that's a nice collection of hitters, but CJ Edwards is the only good pitching prospects in that scenario, and he only just made it to A+ last year. I would never do that deal straight-up for Sale let alone include Reed in it. IMO, you have to be blown away to trade Sale and that's not enough.

Not really a spoiler, but I think the comic book version of tonight's episode was so much better.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 30, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) Cano asking for 9 years, 260 now. Still an impossible signing. I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'd seriously consider jumping into the Cano market IF the Yankees move on and sign a different major free agent instead. IMO, the only way Cano gets an insane deal is if the Yankees essentially bid against themselves, which is what Cano's agents are clearly pushing for night now. Take them out of the bidding process and you have a completely different market for him. Still unlikely we'd be able to pull off a deal, but I at least hope Hahn would be talking to Cano's agents.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 30, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Let's get 90 from Abreu and Viciedo next year and we'll pull that off with ease. Lol...and I thought I was an optimist. We should all be happy with 60 HRs from the two of them next year. I mean, only 11 guys in baseball had 30 or more HRs last year. You're really going to be in for a world of disappointment if you think 90 is a realistic number.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 09:45 PM) 4/$49, $12 a year, $1 mill buyout with $13 mill option. Actually a really nice deal for the Twins. Considering Carlos Silva got this same exact deal 5 years ago, I would definitely say it's a nice deal for the Twins in this free agent environment.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Myth: JR is a good owner. QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 01:08 PM) I don't hate ownership, never said that. So you like bad owners?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 26, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Myth: JR is a good owner. Why are you a season ticket holder if you hate ownership so much?

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 08:03 PM) Among others, Denny McLain is saying Avisail Garcia was banging Prince's wife. Which would mean Avi also cheated on his pregnant wife. Yeesh. http://deadspin.com/denny-mclain-says-dome...dium=socialflow I'm not one to need athletes to be role models or even good people, but if this story is true it's definitely a bit worrisome. The one thing you need in a professional locker room is trust amongst one another and to be f***ing a teammate's wife is pretty much as low as it gets. I really hope this is all bulls***.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 07:01 PM) Navarro would be a good platoon partner with a decent left-handed catcher but I wouldn't want the Sox to get him as their starting catcher. Yeah, he doesn't really work well with Flowers & Phegley as the other half of the catching tandem.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:49 PM) I bet he doesn't get that much. Oh I totally agree with you, just guessing the biggest dollar amount he could get if someone overvalued him. I mean, Soto just got 1 year at $3M, so I seriously doubt Navarro would get that much more.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:12 PM) I'd take him for like 2-3 years for $15-20M. But with the contract McCann got, it wouldn't shock me to see Navarro get $10M a year from someone. Navarro is not getting anywhere close to $10M a year. Ruiz just get under $9M per and has a much better track record. I'll say 1 or 2 years at $5/$6M per tops.

QUOTE (sammy esposito @ Nov 25, 2013 -> 06:35 PM) We traded for Thome who had a big contract from Philly that worked for us. Why wouldn't there be any takers in say the national league that could use a player with his high obp and power enhanced by a huge discount. Dunn had a .320 OBP last year, which would put him 97th overall in baseball. Above-average sure, but I definitely would not qualify that as high. Unfortunately as a true three outcome player, that low of an OBP simply doesn't cut it.

Super Mario Kart was definitely the most challenging and rewarding game in the series, since it required legitimate skill to be good at. Probably the best Mario Kart game from a technical standpoint, but being limited to two players does suck if you go back now and want to play multiplier. Regardless, I still had a f***ton more fun playing Mario Kart 64 than the SNES version. Just so easy for anyone to pickup and play. Double Dash was pretty good as well, but lost some the magic of the 64 one for whatever reason.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 23, 2013 -> 08:16 AM) Have you played Mario Galaxy 1 and 2? Because the improvements are right there The Galaxy games represent some of the best pure gaming ever IMO. It will be interesting to see how 3D World stacks up to them.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 04:55 PM) For trade talks having heated up, the white sox still appear pretty cold. Have Tanaka, Garza, Santana, & Nolasco signed yet? How much starting pitching has been traded so far? Unless a team gets aggressive, Hahn needs to wait for the market for his players to establish itself.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 04:11 AM) D. It's his opinion.. j/k I'm not going to argue stats, but i too think salty ain't that good. Strikes outa bunch, can't trow, ca't hit lefties. For 10 mil, i'd bring AJ back for probably less. And people here know i wasn't too fond of AJ his last few years here.... But we're talking about two players who play two completely different positions and two organizations with completely different needs and resources. Whether the Royals signing Vargas to a $4/32M deal or the Sox signing Salty to a 4/$40 are good moves is completely irrelevant to one another. Each move needs be evaluated separately in their own context.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 22, 2013 -> 01:09 AM) Here's what scares me about Phegley. A. He's a bad defender. He really doesn't have any tools behind the plate. B. His swing is ugly. The plane is weird. It looks manufactured and it's slow. C. I haven't seen him actually square up many balls. Even the HR's he's hit have been a result of a huge guy making decent contact. They're pushed out. There's no pop off the bat. They're just giant fly balls. I need to see him hit a couple rockets. No tools behind the plate? Doesn't he have a great arm?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:53 PM) Almost as ridiculous as giving Roy Oswalt $5 million. When have I ever said anything about Roy Oswalt?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:40 PM) Yeah, but Vargas has 3 out of 4 over 1.5. Salty is primarily based on one season. Judging by what you supposedly are supposed to pay per WAR, this contract isn't so out of line. Any time you give a pitcher 4 years, it is a gamble. Lol...keep spinning this every way you can. Despite your claim that Salty's value is primarily based on one season, his WARs in 2011 & 2012 would still be higher than Vargas's WARs in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Regardless, this is such a ridiculous argument on so many levels.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 10:26 PM) Last 4 years, Vargas 7.2 WAR. Last 4 years, Salty 7.3 WAR, yet Vargas sucks a crazy overpay at 4 years $32 million and Salty is worth 4 years and $40 million. Explain. You've got to be the king of cherry-picking stats. Why don't we look at just the last 3 years? Salty at 7.1 vs Vargas at 4.5. Or how about the last 2 years? Salty at 5.5 vs Vargas at 2.3. Or maybe just last year? Salty at 3.6 vs Vargas at 1.5. Nope, let's purposely include the year (2010) when Salty had 30 plate appearances in order to make some bogus claim. We all get you think Salty sucks. Do you really have to derail a completed unrelated thread with this nonsense?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 21, 2013 -> 07:16 PM) Beckham played a good 3B for the sox. Gillespie would be okay for 1 year - see if he can improve. He had a near 9% walk rate, which is stupendous for this organization. Put MS there - that would be fine too. Certainly don't use assets on a declining veteran there for this transition year. I honestly don't see us entering the 2014 season with both Ramirez & Beckham on the team. IMO, one of these guys will be traded this offseason. If that happens, Semien will be needed in the middle infield. And quite frankly, I'd rather not use him as a bandaid at 3B if he's going to be a 2B/SS long-term. Let him develop him defensively where he protects to be.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) Someone needs to repackage all this bulls*** into non-10,000 word form. From what I have seen and read, I don't really give a s*** what they do to A-Rod and what they do to do it. It is clear to me that the MLB is having to take certain measures just to combat the measures A-Rod will take to save his own ass. Fighting a little fire with fire. People do need to know that no, there isn't an amount of money you can make and thus pay away witnesses and whatever else. Thank you. f*** A-Rod to the fullest. The guy is a multi-time user and deserves NO sympathy whatsoever.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 03:29 PM) I expect to see at least one of our SP's get dealt, soon. Are you able to provide any more details? Which pitcher(s)? What teams are they talking to? What are the Sox asking for?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 20, 2013 -> 01:57 PM) Add players with surplus value that can be retained for several years. Only add market rate talent when it pushes you over the edge. The current state of free agency is that years are in demand more than dollars in some cases -- making market-rate acquisitions ALWAYS buys present value at the cost of future value, whether that's in terms of dollars or other players. Asking them to exhaust future resources on a team most likely destined for mediocrity is a recipe for short and long term disaster. It's like going all in on a low pair, hoping the river gives you three of a kind. It's a bad gamble. No offense, this is a lot easier said than done. How would you go about acquiring these players?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 19, 2013 -> 06:59 PM) Not arguing it should be spent. Arguing that they can spend it if they want to. How much OP did the Sox make in 2013?