Chicago White Sox

After reading some of Hahn’s quotes from today, I figured this was worth a bump.

I remember when I thought these types of quotes were posturing, but now there is legit fear flowing through my blood that Hahn is willing to use Sheets in the OF again. And just for the record, this is where Sheets & Vaughn ranked in rate adjusted DRS among corner OFs partway through 2022. Needless to say, they sucked major you know what and any GM claiming they could be options out there again should be immediately relieved of his duties.

We he one legit OF on our 40 man roster.

Colson is a legit 55 FV prospect as I mentioned previously and Vaughn is a former 60 FV prospect who posted a 125 wRC+ through August of last year as a 24 year old in the majors. That’s considerably more than “two 50 FV guys”.

Dude put up 4.5, 2.4 (6.5 pace), & 4.7 win seasons from 2019 to 2021. Last year he put up 2.0 fWAR in about 2/3 of his normal playing time, so effectively would have been on a 3.0 win pace. However, in the 163 plate appearances last year before his groin injury he had a 157 wRC+ and looked legit awesome. When he returned, he had a 65 wRC+ over his final 167 plate appearances with only 1 HR and 4 2Bs during this stretch. Any person who actually watches our games could see he didn’t look right when he came back whether it was due to the groin injury and/or off-field stuff (see cheating scandal). As such, there is zero reason to think he’s not a ~4 win player heading into 2023. And let’s say he’s a 4 win player moving forward. At $9M/win, you’re looking at ~$46M in surplus value over the next two years. Additionally, you’ll also have the right to QO him after the 2024 season. Let’s say Tim rejects and the team ends up with a pick. That would add another ~$4M in expected value and you’re now looking at ~$50M in total surplus value. For me to trade him would require a legit blue chip prospect (55 FV) in the 25 to 45 range of the top 100 as the centerpiece and he would have to be of the positional variety. If I’m not getting a 55 FV guy like you’re suggesting then I’d need two 50 FV guys in the 50 to 100 range to headline a deal. One generic top 100 prospect does not cut it for a player as talented as Tim, not with the track record he’s had over the past four years.

I’m 100% certain it’s those two dudes. Absolutely fucking pathetic what these two losers will do for followers. Glad they aren’t part of Soxtalk anymore.

Good god is that a massive undervaluation of Anderson.

Jerry loves going half-assed though. I will never forget the 2015-16 off-season when we acquired Todd Frazier and we all thought they’d sign Upton, Gordon, or Cespedes for the OF. Instead we signed Austin Jackson cause he was cheap and fit well with our other dumpster dives like Jimmy Rollins & Brett Lawrie.

I agree but watch the Sox somehow acquire Murphy for a Vaughn/Ramos led package and then go with a four headed 1B/DH monster of Grandal, Eloy, Sheets, & Burger.

I don’t care if we only got four quality years out of the deal, sign Judge to a 9/$342M deal and I would be the happiest person in the world.

Pretty much seems that way unless the ~$180M figure is misdirection.

I’d have us somewhere in the $167M to $175M range depending on we account for buy-outs and dead money.

I don’t think he needs to add more muscle or anything, just fix his broken ass launch angle and have him stop swinging at s%*# out of the zone. If he can elevate the ball better and wait for pitches he can actually punish, the power numbers will improve significantly.

Colas.

Good question. If the answer is no, then that might explain why Clevinger would want a mutual option.

That I do know, which makes them kind of dumb. However, I figured the idea here was to give Clevinger an extra $4M guaranteed in the event he is bad and the Sox decide to buy him out whereas the Sox are protected in the event he is good and doesn’t exercise his side of the mutual option. Sounds like I’m wrong here, but I guess I don’t really get it otherwise because you can simply include deferred dollars in the contract with a mutual option.

I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal.

Jose was better last year, but gun to head I’m taking Giolito over him for next year.

You’d have to sign a free agent like Quintana or Manaea, but I think that would be a likely downgrade.

That’s the million dollar question no one who wants to trade Lucas can answer. And in a rotation with three dudes already with health concerns, it’s very hard to move one of the two dependable guys who can soak up innings.

I really don’t care what FG lists him at currently, he’s 100% a 55 FV prospect by my self evaluation.

I word for word said “blue chip prospects”, which I view as guys with a 55 FV grade or above. On average, there are 40 to 50 of these guys in a given year. There were three of those traded at the deadline. Two went for a sure-fire future Hall of Famer and the other went to a team with a 20 year post-season draught in a trade that was generally viewed as an abnormally high price. Why don’t you tell me how many of those 2021 top 100 prospects were traded when they were top 40 to 50 prospects?

The Giolito ranking is very misleading as he was losing some helium by the time we acquired him.