Chicago White Sox

Again, no idea what people are arguing here. I have never once suggested we were a world class hitting organization. But what I can tell you is I just the endured the entire Rick Hahn era where we couldn’t develop a prospect to save our lives and frequently signed bargain bin free agents to no success. Slater & Tauchman were relatively small wins, but signs that the infrastructure is hopefully improving and won’t just burn cash every time we sign a free agent. Same goes for the young bats like Colson, Teel, Baldwin, & Quero who came up this year and were effective right away as well as second year guys like Vargas & Sosa who made tremendous strides. I can’t remember a time when this many young bats came up and were contributors this quickly. Maybe that’s how it’s everywhere else, but it certainly hasn’t been the case here. Gives me some hope we may not longer be the most incompetent org in all of sports.

I would have responded to your question, but honestly don’t know the answer. I just happen to use it quite a bit.

I don’t know how we juggle both on the 26 man roster though. There just isn’t any room for another major league deal for the pitching staff outside of theoretically another LH reliever. Feels like this was an either/or thing with Fedde or Canning.

The exact number I was predicting. $600k over the league minimum is nothing for a guy with a non zero chance of being a useful starter ( @SoxBlanco) who worst case scenario gives us a warm body to hold down the #5 spot until a young arm is ready for their shot.

I fully agree. Can’t make an objectively true positive comment about the White Sox without being called David Koresh.

Keep moving them goal posts buddy…🤣🤣🤣

How many hitting prospects have come up and been productive for the Sox? And how many scrap free agent signings have worked out in the past? No one is calling them “geniuses”, but it’s remarkable improvement from where the org was and I’m shocked that people aren’t willing to admit it.

You just accused me of being in a cult. A moderator said this after I proved him wrong using numbers. Me saying you refuse to acknowledge when you’re wrong isn’t “name calling”. I’m not some snowflake and don’t really care about the bizarre cult comment…just shocked that a moderator is allowed to talk this way to posters.

Eh…does it sound ridiculous? Sure. Does it suck that our cheap owner created a financial situation where $1.5M signings could even be considered priorities? No doubt about it. But at the end of the day, why do I care what Getz says to players as part of his selling process? Making a free agent feel wanted is part of his job.

What exactly are we arguing here? Yes, they sucked in the first half when a lot of the young guys weren’t up (or struggling) and instead they played a bunch of AAAA guys. Go look at where the offense performed in the second half as young guys further developed. I’m not giving out credit because I’m some homer…the front office actually put together a competent offense together July forward.

I have never in my entire life met someone who is incapable of admitting they are wrong about something as much as you. It’s actually comical at this point. And then making bizarre “cult” accusations? Like what in the f*** are we even doing here? When are the other mods going to step in and stop this nonsense? Read the damn post. Very clearly stated what he we signed him up to do which is hit LHP. Him being forced to play against RHP was a function of injury and lacking minor league depth. There is a reason he cost us $600k over the league minimum in free agency and then commanded a top 20 org prospect at the deadline. You can try to spin this all you want, but the facts don’t lie. The Sox returned him to his previous form against LHP and were able to turn him a solid prospect. But keep being purposefully dense in a Hail Mary swing at winning the internet for the day.

No idea which player you are referring to and what the basis of median projections would be in your mind, but let’s look at how some the players performed vs. 2025 ZiPs in terms of OPS last year (Actuals vs. Projection): Montgomery: .840 vs. .625 (+.215) Teel: .786 vs. .668 (+.118) Tauchman: .756 vs. .727 (+.029) Thaiss: .676 vs. .640 (+.036) Vargas: .717 vs. .723 (-.006) Slater: .859 vs. .734 (+.125) Sosa: .727 vs. .666 (+.061) Quero: .689 vs. .675 (+.014) Baldwin: .697 vs. .670 (+0.27) Meidroth: .649 vs. .701 (-.052) There is a clear depiction of over performance here. For those of who watched the actual games, it was clear that the addition of Fuller, improved coaching, better pro scouting, and a strategy of acquiring more disciplined hitters paid off. At-bats were generally more competitive and led to better outcomes, moreso than ZiPS expected. Now, if you were referring to Vargas, then yes he was basically on his projection. I think that’s ignoring all context of his 2024 season and the headspace he was in at the time. I would 100% give the Sox some credit for righting the ship and turning him to a league average hitter after accounting immense struggles the year before. Regardless, it’s doesn’t change the broader narrative of our hitting successes last year.

Guys - We have officially reached the point where people are so bitter about the org that they use data in an unfair way to spin a story to their needs. Austin Slater was signed to be a short-side platoon bat. As such, let’s lay out the facts here in terms of his production wRC+ against LHP: 2017-23: 131 2024: 66 2025: 137 w/ White Sox Slater was an elite hitter against LHP through 2023. He was legit terrible against them in 2024. The White Sox proactively signed him in free agency for a cheap $1.5M, which SoxTalk mocked the org for claiming he was their “#1 target”. After signing with us, he quickly returned to his previous form. He was so good against LHP that despite being a rental and just a platoon guy, he was able to command a top 20 org prospect at the deadline. The signing was a no doubt home run. Anyone arguing we didn’t “fix” him is either being purposely dishonest or simply so uninformed about the player that they don’t understand his role to begin with.

Slater had a 137 wRC+ against LHP with the White Sox (the role we signed him for) and commanded a prospect in return that was an org top 20 guy. Suggesting he was anything but a success is 100% not reality. Vaughn was supposedly unwilling to listen to coaching while with us. Most of the other guys you listed aren’t really major leaguers so not sure what that proves. You conveniently left out all the young guys who performed well or improved like Montgomery, Sosa, Vargas, Teel, Baldwin, etc.

Candidly speaking, most guys did pretty well last year, even the scrap heap signings like Tauchman, Slater, and the catcher I’m forgetting. And most of the young guys saw significant jumps vs. PY or in the 2H.

Versus playing other spots in the field or not DHing? I assume the former.

Are all three expected to go on the 60 day DL? Based on that last update, feels like Berroa could be ready well before June.

Going to be a fun camp. Let’s just hope for better injury luck than last year.

Will be interesting to see the price here. My guess is it will be for about $1.5M with some incentives. Anything over $2.5M would be insane to me.

Fedde better come out of the gate running or he will lose that rotation slot fairly quickly. Just a fuckton of young arms who will be pushing for starts soon enough.

Rotation Depth Chart: Major League: Shane Smith (R) Davis Martin (R) Anthony Kay (L) Sean Burke (R) Erick Fedde (R) Mike Vasil (R) Sean Newcomb (L) Jedidson Paez (R) Minor League: Jonathan Cannon (R) David Sandlin (R) Tanner McDougal (R) Duncan Davitt (R) Noah Schultz (L) Drew Thorpe (R) Mason Adams (R) Ky Bush (L) Chris Murphy (L) Tyler Schweitzer (L) Riley Gowens (R) Hagen Smith (L)

Most likely yes.

I’m optimist about Smith & Burke. Think Thorpe, Sandlin, & McDougal push for spots pretty quickly. The group could get significantly better by mid season, at least on a talent basis. Obviously hard to say what rookie pitchers will give you right out of the gate.

As long as he comes dirt cheap, I’m totally fine with this. Overall stuff appears to be mostly the same as 2024, so his issues appear to be mostly command related. Given our past success with him, got to think Bannister has some tweaks in mind to get back on track. If not, he (hopefully) is a cheap placeholder that can be cut when a young arm is ready and pushes Newcomb to the bullpen ahead of OD.

Fucking A…just fixed it.