Chicago White Sox

Wow

What good is Miller when we have two SPs?

Yeah, giving up Bonemer+ for Miller right now would be fucking nuts and not in a good way.

I meant from a contender.

Because need to develop our own pitching, he’s 22 years old, and it’s year one of our competitive window. I could see the argument for moving Hagen, but you don’t give up a top prospect after 11 major league starts.

Feel like we end up trading one of our RH OFs for a catcher.

This talk of trading Schultz is wild.

100%

Guy had nine starts and you have drawn a fuckton of conclusions. Amazing how much context you constantly miss. Probably why you thought the Sox were one of the worst teams in baseball this offseason and pretty everyone stunk including Vargas & Burke. We’re talking about a rookie who was making his first nine starts. The last two he was clearly injured and many of us were worried at the time. He had one really bad clunker amongst his first two starts. In between, he made 5 starts, averaged 6+ innings with a 1.48 ERA, 3.13 xERA, & 4.22 FIP. While the K rate was nothing write home about, he did generate fairly weak contact. I watched every single start he made and for a rookie SP I liked what I saw. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be a TOR starter or anything like that, but people writing him off over a nine game sample where he was adjusting to the league and injured for a couple starts is the definition of insanity.

His velocity was a tick or two higher with the Yankees than it was with us. If that velocity returns, then I think he can be a really good SP. Obviously all caveats apply to a pitcher coming back from major arm surgery.

I mean, why not just wait and see what he looks like when he comes back. No one is suggesting he’s going to immediately join the major league team. But if a ton of s%*# hits the fan, he went from a guy who looked like had no chance of helping this year to someone who might be able to help. Don’t get me wrong, we need to go out and add a legit SP, but suddenly he might become part of the depth equation when that seemed far fetched just two weeks ago.

He was a top 70 prospect whose velocity dropped a tick or two when he first came up. If his velocity returns, his command and changeup along will make him a valuable SP.

He’ll be at 5 innings by mid August, which theoretically puts him in the mix for major league starts if we do need him.

He definitely could be a legit SP option down the stretch. Very exciting.

No Boston Smith is absolutely insane.

You’re assuming there are no injuries, which is something no one can say but is how he get his first stint in the majors. I’d also argue that he’d be a better DH option than Benintendi and would have made room for him by next year.

I see people keep saying this, but we basically used the slot savings at #34 to pay our 5th round pick slot. I actually like the 5th round pick too, but doesn’t change my thoughts here. I just think Jacob should have commanded more than this. For example, two years of Gavix Lux brought back a Comp A pick plus Mike Sirota for the Dodgers. This is potentially 6+ years of control of a guy who has flashed an ability to both impact the baseball and make good swing decisions at the major league and can play anywhere in the infield. The historical performance of guys selected in the Comp A round suggest we likely lose this trade and a 5th slot pick doesn’t really change the calculus. Again, I like Landon Thome and love this draft class. Just think we look back on this trade and say “damn we could have gotten a lot more if we waited a year to trade Jacob”. Hopefully I’m wrong on all of this though.

I’m not counting on him…just listing him as one of four depth options for the #5 spot in the rotation.

The only true “headliners” we have are Carlos, Fauske, Hagen, & McDougal, so I’d consider all those guys as legit possibilities of being moved come August 1st. The Sox will also need to thin out the 40 man roster further, including guys who will need to be protected. I love me some Mason Adams, but he’s a primetime candidate to be traded for a SP. Bergolla also fits the billing, but harder to get fair value for him given his injury status. The same applies to Ky Bush and to a lesser extent Thorpe, who I think they’d like to hold onto for next year. I think Gabe Davis is far more likely to be moved than Oppor, who you’d be selling for pennies on the dollar. He’s the best pitching prospect available after the guys mentioned above and Sandlin, who is might be too important for depth purposes to trade. Pierre George & Matthew LaCombe could also be of interest as a secondary pieces as guys with big stuff but reliever profiles for now. Beyond that, I think Boston Smith, Colby Shelton, & Kyle Lodise all could get moved due to upper level redundancies. Mogollon fits the same billing, but serves as a younger alternate who provides more upside but less proximity.

I agree. You don’t do something stupid, but you got to add a SP.

I definitely feel you. We’d almost certainty be selling low. I don’t like the idea either. Just think for a controllable SP it will likely cost him because Bonemer should be untouchable and you can’t trade the guys you just drafted. I guess maybe Fauske is another possibility, but not sure he’d have the same value.

I just mean in terms of overall production. I know Landon has a better hit tool, but not McGonigle levels at this point. And as I have said before, I like Thome as a prospect. I just don’t like the idea of trading an infielder who has already developed into a legit major league hitter for one who doesn’t have a massively higher ceiling than him. Maybe I just higher on Jacob than most here.

I just think the ceiling of Landon Thome is Jacob Gonzalez and the floor is minor leaguer who never makes the show. The roster crunch is a real thing, but I still think we should have used Jacob to add a controllable SP to solve that issue.

A 1-2-3 of Burke-Detmers-Martin can make us competitive for the playoffs. We are seeing in real time Burke take that next step and Martin is a legit #3 despite some regression & fatigue. Hopefully Schultz can build some momentum and make a case to be the clear #4 SP down the stretch. Kay is probably fine for the #5 spot and if not you have Sandlin, S. Smith, Adams, & Fedde in reserve. I really think Detmers is the dude to get. You can NOT give up Bonemer for him, but I think we enough other pieces to make a compelling offer. I really hope Getz is aggressive here as a quality SP is our single biggest need hands down.

I have him firmly in the top 20 and that’s post draft. He checks a lot of boxes for me, but hesitant to rank him too highly because none of the larger prospect publications have really jumped on him yet.